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[Guanxii]

Supposing that the Ark likely leaves before ME2* I guess Ashley was right about the Council Races' Leadership after-all. Lifeboats for the elites and essential personnel - lies, misinformation and almost certain death for the rest of us while they sail off into the sunset? After you saved their lives and were proved right about the reapers; the council (as their representatives) lying through their goddamn back-teeth all this time about the hologram on ilos, their secret plans and god only knows what else in the smuggest way possible all the while they had the balls to label you a traitor? Forgot to mention this little detail of a certain cross species project while you were gone did they?

 

It wasn't rebuilding the citadel that was occupying the council races in the aftermath of the Battle of the Citadel it was building this f--king thing! Instead of using the remains of Sovereign and the time we had left to give us all a shot at survival - our leadership instead focused their efforts on building lifeboats for essential personnel while feeding the rest of us a lofty 'next step' propaganda cover story to hide the intended purpose of the ark, meanwhile covering up the reaper invasion to stop the masses rumbling their plans for secret lifeboats. Adding minor races to a thinly veiled cross-species peace effort during this critical time gives this 'expedition' more credibility.

 

If the hierarchy made any serious attempt at adequate preparations for the reaper war or even publicly acknowledged them the jig would have been up. If the conspiracy ever got out afterwards the remaining leadership, council and their cohorts heads would surely adone the tops of medieval pikes not soon after arrival.

 

I​ think the elites were long gone by that time and they took our most advanced technology and essential personnel with them which majorly contributed to our lack of preparation - they left us in a right old state. The council were just lackies left holding the bag and what was left in the higher echelons of command was effectively a skeleton crew. Nobody in power believed Shepard that the reapers could be defeated so war preparations were shelved early on in favor of a more practical solution. There's something very fishy about the in-action and reaper cover-up which has never been explained... this would be an almost perfect explanation.

 

*Notes: Explains the images of the fleets over earth during peacetime, what happened during shepard's 2 year death hiatus, lack of reference to an ark 'expedition' project from ME2 onwards, the fate of the remains of sovereign, the reaper/geth cover up and why (pre-genophage cure) Krogan for example were permitted to participate in the program. In addition leaving prior to the reaper invasion cuts down the risk of discovery, sabotage/indoctrination and diverting vital resources away from the Crucible during wartime.

[Balsam Beige]

Maybe some people will change their view of Ashley for the better?

[ZipZap2000]

Supposing the Ark likely leaves before ME2* I guess Ashley was right about the Council after-all. Lifeboats for the elites and their friends, lies, misinformation and almost certain death for the rest of us? After how many times did you save their worthless lives? Lying through their goddamn teeth all this time about the hologram on ilos, their secret plans and god only knows what else in the smuggest way possible and they had the balls to label you a traitor? Forget to mention this little detail did they?

It wasn't rebuilding the citadel that was occupying the council races it was building this f--king thing. Instead of using the remains of Sovereign and the time we had left to give us all a shot at survival they focused all their efforts on building lifeboats for the elite while feeding the rest of us lofty 'next step' propaganda cover story, meanwhile covering up the reaper invasion to stop the masses catching on and hijacking their secret lifeboats.

If they made any serious attempt at adequate preparations for the reapers or publicly acknowledged them the jig would have been up. If the conspiracy ever got out afterwards the council and their cohorts heads would sit atop medieval pikes.

*Notes: Explains the pre-war earth images, what happened during shepard's 2 year death, lack of reference to ARKCON in ME2 or ME3, the remains of sovereign, the reaper/geth cover up and why (pre-genophage cure) Krogan were permitted to participate in the program.

It seems so.

I'd say they stole Vigil and everything else they could get their hands on. Apparently there was something shielding the pods from detection on Ilos. Or the bunkers would have been overrun.

Sovereign devastates the Citadel fleets in ME1 with the Geth.

It would have been obvious to everyone that an army that can "Blacken the skies of every world." And indoctrinate civilians would be unstoppable.

Telling the public would be a disaster.

They find one way out.

The decision is made to save the few and sacrifice the rest.

"They will be honoured in the coming empire."

They don't have a choice Imo. And they aren't alone in their actions. The Batarians know the Reaper threat is real and do nothing. Cerberus is indoctrinated. The Quarians ignore the Reapers and attack the Geth.

The Protheans sacrificed billions.

The Geth and the Krogan were the only ones who prepared for war.

I do wonder though if the resources could have built a fleet big enough to fight the Reapers.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I'm pretty sure that all the elites were still around during Shepard's fight. This seems to be a contingency to try to have species continue should the worst happen, not the only thing that resources were spend on nor a lifeboat for the elite.

[Ralfufigus]

This is an interesting theory, and could explain the Council's unfathomable arrogance in ME2...

[Guanxii]

I'm pretty sure that all the elites were still around during Shepard's fight. This seems to be a contingency to try to have species continue should the worst happen, not the only thing that resources were spend on nor a lifeboat for the elite.

 

 

 

@Barquiel: I think a reaper invasion is a great reason to attempt preservation Plan B, and I'm not sure why you think the arks are lifeboats for the elites. The council for example stayed on the citadel during the entire war.

 

I think the elites were long gone and they took our most advanced technology and essential personnel with them which contributed marjory to our lack of preparation - they left us in a right old state. The Council were just lackies left holding the bag and what was left in the higher echelons was effectively a skeleton crew. No body actually believed Shepard that the reapers could be defeated so nobody even tried preparing for the end of days. There's something very fishy about the in-action and reaper cover-up which has never been explained... this would be a perfect explanation.

[Barquiel]

I think a reaper invasion is a great reason to attempt preservation Plan B, and I'm not sure why you think the arks are lifeboats for the elites. The council for example stayed on the citadel during the entire war.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I have been thinking for a while that maybe the "Ark" ship(s) are really the Virtual Aliens ship(s).

 

When the Reaper threat was real the Virtual Aliens can just have said "let's go to Andromeda" and offered a ride to representatives of the other milky way races.

[ZipZap2000]

This is an interesting theory, and could explain the Council's unfathomable arrogance in ME2...

If they canon that you killed the council this starts to make a lot of sense and makes an excellent excuse not to tell Shepard. Which itself becomes a tie in to the old trilogy without directly linking events.




Either way they deliberately left everyone else defenseless and made no preparations for the fight.

If Cerberus can build a fleet in 6 months then these Arks must have been chewing up a lot of resources.

[KaiserShep]

If it means anything, the protheans probably used up considerable resources just to *hide* from the reapers. From the perspective of people beyond Hackett, Anderson and Shepard, it's likely that people were betting on this whole reaper war being a losing battle, and I wouldn't blame them. If they asked Shepard exactly how this Crucible thingie was supposed to neutralize the reapers, she'd just have to shrug.

[Ralfufigus]

If they canon that you killed the council this starts to make a lot of sense and makes an excellent excuse not to tell Shepard. Which itself becomes a tie in to the old trilogy without directly linking events.
Either way they deliberately left everyone else defenseless and made no preparations for the fight.
If Cerberus can build a fleet in 6 months then these Arks must have been chewing up a lot of resources.

I like this theory a lot. It kinda just fits.

[timebean]

Why does it have to be the council that was building the Ark?  Maybe it was a private organization...like a multi-species Cerberus-type group, committed to preserving organics.

 

Has it beeen verified that the council was behind the Ark/Tempest project? Do we actually know whose porject this was? I have been out of the loop for a while, so maybe I missed it...

[Wulfram]

Tossing like 0.2% of galactic GDP at a project like this would essentially have no effect on fighting the reapers, while still giving this project unfathomly vast resources.

[Sigzy05]

I don't understand why the council are the bad guys? If all this happens before ME3, the council stayed on the Milky Way to protect their species and so did Shepard to try and end the reapers however they could fail so they made a fail safe plan. In fact according to the N7 day trailer, I believe Shepard was told at some point and he might have been the one to pick who goes and doesn't as he says "You are now the explorers..." etc.

[ZipZap2000]

Tossing like 0.2% of galactic GDP at a project like this would essentially have no effect on fighting the reapers, while still giving this project unfathomly vast resources.

So why not build a fleet with it then? Orbital cannons? Your own army of Pure Krogan?

Why sit there and make no effort at all to do anything?

Edit: You'd alert the public.


Cold.

[Guanxii]

I don't understand why the council are the bad guys? If all this happens before ME3, the council stayed on the Milky Way to protect their species and so did Shepard to try and end the reapers however they could fail so they made a fail safe plan. In fact according to the N7 day trailer, I believe Shepard was told at some point and he might have been the one to pick who goes and doesn't as he says "You are now the explorers..." etc.

 

The Council have always been fall guys/puppets enacting the orders of the major powers. Only with the full co-operation of the galaxy's major powers could this project get off the ground and out the back door before the reapers arrived and have any realistic shot of re-stablishing cilvilization in Andromeda with any degree of success. They needed to use the council as an instrument of their power to cover up the Reaper invasion and give this peace-time cross species collaboration project the necessary credibility to pull of the disappearing act before they were rumbled.

[ZipZap2000]

I don't understand why the council are the bad guys? If all this happens before ME3, the council stayed on the Milky Way to protect their species and so did Shepard to try and end the reapers however they could fail so they made a fail safe plan. In fact according to the N7 day trailer, I believe Shepard was told at some point and he might have been the one to pick who goes and doesn't as he says "You are now the explorers..." etc.

That vid with Shep saying "You are explorers" has nothing to do with the game according to BioWare. It was just Shepards last goodbye before Andromeda stuff starts.

[Unata]

Why does it have to be the council that was building the Ark?  Maybe it was a private organization...like a multi-species Cerberus-type group, committed to preserving organics.

 

Has it beeen verified that the council was behind the Ark/Tempest project? Do we actually know whose porject this was? I have been out of the loop for a while, so maybe I missed it...

 

This, I mean really, why does it have to be the council's project, there could have been a colonization/exploring groups outside the council, hell, look at our world as a good example, we can't get to another planet to colonize just yet but there is a HUGE bunch of folks already signed up to go to mars and our government has nothing to do with it, http://www.mars-one.com/

[Wulfram]

So why not build a fleet with it then? Orbital cannons? Your own army of Pure Krogan?

Why sit there and make no effort at all to do anything?

A few extra dreadnoughts wouldn't make any difference, nor would a bunch of Krogan. Anyway, you could do those things and prepare an exit for the worst case scenario.

Edit: You'd alert the public.


Cold.

 
 I don't think I follow

[CronoDragoon]

Just to be clear, if Starchild doesn't decide to let Shepard up on the elevator, all of galactic civilization is destroyed, and the Council's "selfish" decision (how is it selfish when they stayed to the bitter end) is now going to enable us to live on in another galaxy.

 

Like seriously, the upside here far surpasses the resources used to build 4 ships.

[Barquiel]

So why not build a fleet with it then? Orbital cannons? Your own army of Pure Krogan?

Why sit there and make no effort at all to do anything?

Edit: You'd alert the public.


Cold.

I wouldn't say they did nothing to prepare. The salarians built stealth dreadnoughts. The asari upgraded their ships (shielding and firepower). The turians developed the Thannix cannons and were already bolstering their crew complements in ME2. It simply wasn't enough. And even if the galaxy had spent the whole cycle preparing, awaiting the Reapers with hundreds of dreadnoughts...there would have been no guarantee that the Reapers could have been beaten conventionally.

[ZipZap2000]

A few extra dreadnoughts wouldn't make any difference, nor would a bunch of Krogan. Anyway, you could do those things and prepare an exit for the worst case scenario.


I don't think I follow

If you're working from the position Reapers are unstoppable, then you only risk inciting panic. So because they're all going to die anyway....You don't tell them anything. Even though you could actually help them.

Suddenly removing restrictions on war assets imposed by the council, massive expansion of the military etc. Building giant cannons might be a give away.

[ZipZap2000]

I wouldn't say they did nothing to prepare. The salarians built stealth dreadnoughts. The asari upgraded their ships (shielding and firepower). The turians developed the Thannix cannons and were already bolstering their crew complements in ME2. It simply wasn't enough. And even if the galaxy had spent the whole cycle preparing, awaiting the Reapers with hundreds of dreadnoughts...there would have been no guarantee that the Reapers could have been beaten conventionally.

True but the point stands. Somebody knew it was coming and planned to get out and leave everyone else to the Reapers.

Not that I'm saying they had a choice. I think its a great plan.

[Guanxii]

Another thing to bare in mind is that the Ark would need to leave before the start of the Reaper War or else risk a) being discovered, b.) indoctrination, c) diverting resources from the war effort.

[Sigzy05]

The Council have always been fall guys/puppets enacting the orders of the major powers. Only with the full co-operation of the galaxy's major powers could this project get off the ground and out the back door before the reapers arrived and have any realistic shot of re-stablishing cilvilization in Andromeda with any degree of success. They needed to use the council as an instrument of their power to cover up the Reaper invasion and give this peace-time cross species collaboration project the necessary credibility to pull of the disappearing act before they were rumbled.

 

I still don't understand your point. The council stayed behind, if they were the evil guys they would have gone in the expedition rather then staying. Just because they covered up something for the major good doesn't mean they are bad. And we still don't even know who went, but I'm guessing cvilians, normal ones, woud be part of the ark other wise where would you get the numbers to colonize a cluster in another galaxy?