Well to be fair just about any race or culture does or would do the same thing. The Protheans on Ilos did it, in our grand plans for a nuke attack I don;t think you are going to be able to push the president out of the way to get into his or her bunker.
It will be interesting to see how they set this up, no matter what they do some will howl.
I still don't understand your point. The council stayed behind, if they were the evil guys they would have gone in the expedition rather then staying. Just because they covered up something for the major good doesn't mean they are bad. And we still don't even know who went, but I'm guessing cvilians, normal ones, woud be part of the ark other wise where would you get the numbers to colonize a cluster in another galaxy?
The council have no real power (see ME3 for evidence of this), they are instruments of power carrying out orders. They are useful idiots of the major galactic governments (and associated corporate powers) who's job is to keep the façade of functioning democracy and order going. They have no place on the Ark because they are not essential personnel. They are career politicians who are evidently replaceable.
If Arkcon (surprisingly) turns out to be mainly Alliance project, what will you say about it?
If Arkcon (surprisingly) turns out to be mainly Alliance project, what will you say about it?
It's all of the major powers not just the Alliance. If it was purely an Alliance initiative they wouldn't have the necessary resources or the inclination to harbor foreign refuges at the expense of their own citizens and species prospects for survival.
The council have no real power (see ME3 for evidence of this), they are instruments of power carrying out orders. They are useful idiots of the major galactic governments and likely their major corporate backers who's job is to keeping the façade of functioning democracy and order going. They have no place on the Ark because they are not essential personnel. They are career politicians who are evidently replaceable.
So you're claiming the Council has no real power, but that they're also the ones who created the Ark project? Which is it?
Edit: Oh, I see. You don't think the Council had anything to do with it. Maybe, I guess? I don't see much evidence one way or another
So you're claiming the Council has no real power, but that they're also the ones who created the Ark project? Which is it?
The council are merely instruments of power for the leadership of the council races.
If it was purely an Alliance initiative they wouldn't have the necessary resources or the inclination to harbor foreign refuges at the expense of their own citizens and species prospects for survival.
Why not? Alliance is a generous god. Others will surely contribute, but they merely do what superior race commands them. So what's up with this blaming?
I think it would make the most sense for this to be either a project that occurs behind the Council's back by the real power behind them or this is done by a private organization. I just don't buy that it's a Council thing because they just seemed too ignorant about the Reapers and I don't see how denying Shepard support when they have an Ark ship out there somewhere is a bright idea. Rallying behind Shep to fight the Reapers would at least ensure they kept them busy long enough to never detect the Ark ship.
I'm going to laugh when this turn out to be a small colonization project for the "we did it!" factor and not about saving anyone from the Reapers. Those arks aren't that big once you look at the size difference with the kodiac shuttles and the size of the clearly visible windows on them (a structural weakness might I add).
It seems so.
I'd say they stole Vigil and everything else they could get their hands on. Apparently there was something shielding the pods from detection on Ilos. Or the bunkers would have been overrun.
Sovereign devastates the Citadel fleets in ME1 with the Geth.
It would have been obvious to everyone that an army that can "Blacken the skies of every world." And indoctrinate civilians would be unstoppable.
Telling the public would be a disaster.
They find one way out.
The decision is made to save the few and sacrifice the rest.
"They will be honoured in the coming empire."
They don't have a choice Imo. And they aren't alone in their actions. The Batarians know the Reaper threat is real and do nothing. Cerberus is indoctrinated. The Quarians ignore the Reapers and attack the Geth.
The Protheans sacrificed billions.
The Geth and the Krogan were the only ones who prepared for war.
I do wonder though if the resources could have built a fleet big enough to fight the Reapers.
So why are the Krogan with them when they are not a council race?
So why are the Krogan with them when they are not a council race?
So the Turian Primarch, Salarian Dalatrass... They don't have real power either, I guess?
So the Turian Primarch, Salarian Dalatrass... They don't have real power either, I guess?
There was a Salarian on the Tempest in the trailer, so I'm assuming they go as well.
So the Turian Primarch, Salarian Dalatrass... They don't have real power either, I guess?
Figurehead's of states rarely do, that's the entire point of having them in the first place to provide cover to real centers of power behind the curtain. Not every power player in a major government is likely to be involved for political / expediency reasons. I imagine many would think the idea a pipe dream/fantasy until it happened. The chances of it actually making it to Andromeda would seem ridiculous, especially if you bought the official line about the reapers being a myth.
There was a Salarian on the Tempest in the trailer, so I'm assuming they go as well.
Yes but the leaders were there during ME3 when the Earth was on fire, so they couldn't be on these Arkships.
Yes but the leaders were there during ME3 when the Earth was on fire, so they couldn't be on these Arkships.
Yes I know, my point was salarians do go on the expedition to Andromeda.
Yes I know, my point was salarians do go on the expedition to Andromeda.
Well one does, at least... But yes. This fits fine with an interspecies effort, but the rest is pure speculation on the part of the OP based on the idea of some form of shadowy secret elite that we've never been so much as introduced to in passing in the games.
I'm going to laugh when this turn out to be a small colonization project for the "we did it!" factor and not about saving anyone from the Reapers. Those arks aren't that big once you look at the size difference with the kodiac shuttles and the size of the clearly visible windows on them (a structural weakness might I add).
This leaving before the ME3 ending essentially makes every MEA character a yellow bellied coward. Cowardice not courageousness is the impetus that sets everything in the wrong direction. Boldly go, not Cowardly slither.
This leaving before the ME3 ending essentially makes every MEA character a yellow bellied coward. Cowardice not courageousness is the impetus that sets everything in the wrong direction. Boldly go, not Cowardly slither.
The thought of it makes you physically sick though it's very likey in this event that most of the passengers would have no idea what a reaper is if the exodus occurs pre reaper under the pretence that it's a cross species peace-time collaborative exploration project with the real motivation for it highly classified.
This leaving before the ME3 ending essentially makes every MEA character a yellow bellied coward. Cowardice not courageousness is the impetus that sets everything in the wrong direction. Boldly go, not Cowardly slither.
You'd have to be courageous to explore a world you don't know anything about though. It's not running away it's ensuring the survival of a species.
Right, because going on a voyage in untested technology to an unknown galaxy with no backup and probably no way back needs no courage at all.This leaving before the ME3 ending essentially makes every MEA character a yellow bellied coward. Cowardice not courageousness is the impetus that sets everything in the wrong direction. Boldly go, not Cowardly slither.
Supposing that the Ark likely leaves before ME2* I guess Ashley was right about the Council Races' Leadership after-all. Lifeboats for the elites and essential personnel - lies, misinformation and almost certain death for the rest of us while they sail off into the sunset? After you saved their lives and were proved right about the reapers; the council as their representatives lying through their goddamn back-teeth all this time about the hologram on ilos, their secret plans and god only knows what else in the smuggest way possible while they had the balls to label you a traitor? Forget to mention this little detail of a certain cross species project while you were gone did they?
It wasn't rebuilding the citadel that was occupying the council races in the aftermath of the Battle of the Citadel it was building this f--king thing! Instead of using the remains of Sovereign and the time we had left to give us all a shot at survival leadership instead focused their efforts on building lifeboats for essential personnel while feeding the rest of us a lofty 'next step' propaganda cover story, meanwhile covering up the reaper invasion to stop the masses catching on and hijacking their plans for secret lifeboats. Adding minor races to a cross-species peace effort gives the 'expedition' more credibility.
If they made any serious attempt at adequate preparations for the reaper war or publicly acknowledged them the jig would have been up. If the conspiracy ever got out afterwards our leadership(s), council and their cohorts heads would surely adone the tops of medieval pikes not soon after arrival.
I think the elites were long gone by that time and they took our most advanced technology and essential personnel with them which majorly contributed to our lack of preparation - they left us in a right old state. The council were just lackies left holding the bag and what was left in the higher echelons of command was effectively a skeleton crew. Nobody believed Shepard that the reapers could be defeated so no body even bothered to prepare for the end of days. There's something very fishy about the in-action and reaper cover-up which has never been explained... this would be an almost perfect explanation.
*Notes: Explains the pre-war earth images, what happened during shepard's 2 year death, lack of reference to an ark 'expedition' project from ME2 onwards, the remains of sovereign, the reaper/geth cover up and why (pre-genophage cure) Krogan for example were permitted to participate in the program. In addition leaving prior to the reaper invasion cuts down the risk of discovery, sabotage/indoctrination and diverting vital resources away during a time of war.
It seems so.
I'd say they stole Vigil and everything else they could get their hands on. Apparently there was something shielding the pods from detection on Ilos. Or the bunkers would have been overrun.
Sovereign devastates the Citadel fleets in ME1 with the Geth.
It would have been obvious to everyone that an army that can "Blacken the skies of every world." And indoctrinate civilians would be unstoppable.
Telling the public would be a disaster.
They find one way out.
The decision is made to save the few and sacrifice the rest.
"They will be honoured in the coming empire."
They don't have a choice Imo. And they aren't alone in their actions. The Batarians know the Reaper threat is real and do nothing. Cerberus is indoctrinated. The Quarians ignore the Reapers and attack the Geth.
The Protheans sacrificed billions.
The Geth and the Krogan were the only ones who prepared for war.
I do wonder though if the resources could have built a fleet big enough to fight the Reapers.
The ultimate mystery: how do Krogan get a seat on The Ark since this happens before ME3 ending
This being the Council's secret "preservation of civilization" plan would make them look slightly less blockheaded; but I suspect that Azarhal might be correct. This sounds like an exploratory mission. I'm not yet convinced that it's linked to the Reaper invasion. I'd say I'm feeling 50/50 on it, seeing the possibilities in either direction.
Also, it wouldn't be "the elites" that were sent. Sure, some elite douchebags would find their way aboard the project. The real focus, though, would be on making sure every single member could contribute needed skills and healthy genetics. They have to colonize a galaxy. Everyone needs to contribute essential skills, and ideally nearly everyone should be a breeder. (I know the last part will make some scream and wail and make silly claims of cloning technology, which the council races simply don't have.)
By elites I mean the most powerful people in government(s) and industry who made this happen, accompanied by the best and brightest, best genetics, best experience - academics, scientists, soldiers, engineers,etc required to ensure the success of the mission and hence the continuity of our civilization.
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