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[SolNebula]

Geth don't even need storage. They can just live in the ship's systems. Once we get to Andromeda then we built their platforms for them. 

 

If the assumption we are making in the forum being that the Arks leave before the Reaper invasion is correct, then I find hard to have Geth on the Arks as most species consider them enemies...unless they are brought in illegally I don't see any Council species inviting them in.

Same could be said for the Batarians.

 

I do see however a number of Quarian volunteers joining the expedition as a back-up plan...it feel feasible considering the political scenario we had at that time.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Guys, nobody had peaceful contact with geth except Saren and Shepard until ME3. Cerberus got some, but I wouldn't call it a success.

I dunno why people ignore it.

Well, we are diving into the realm of this whole thing being a secret project, so really they can do whatever they want. If they want to say the Geth contacted them and an agreement was made in secret, they can. 

[Ahriman]

Well, we are diving into the realm of this whole thing being a secret project, so really they can do whatever they want. If they want to say the Geth contacted them and an agreement was made in secret, they can. 

But it should make some sense, shouldn't it?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But it should make some sense, shouldn't it?

And Geth make perfect sense to bring along. They are masters at building and operating ships, can serve as the crew for the voyage since they don't need any resources, and once we get to Andromeda they can serve as scouts on harsher planets, soldiers who can be an endless army since their platforms are expendable since they can be repaired or replaced, and builders who don't have the needs organics do. 

[SolNebula]

And Geth make perfect sense to bring along. They are masters at building and operating ships, can serve as the crew for the voyage since they don't need any resources, and once we get to Andromeda they can serve as an endless supply of scouts, soldiers, and builders, especially on harsh planets, since they aren't affected by what we are and their bodies are just expendable platforms. 

 

Ideally you brought up good points but we know that politically it doesn't make any sense for the Council to trust the Geths at that stage. The only way I can see them being there is through smuggling.

[Ahriman]

And Geth make perfect sense to bring along. They are masters at building and operating ships, can serve as the crew for the voyage since they don't need any resources, and once we get to Andromeda they can serve as an endless supply of scouts, soldiers, and builders, especially on harsh planets, since they aren't affected by what we are and their bodies are just expendable platforms. 

I'm not talking about their utility. I'm talking about simple fact Legion stated, "orthodox" geth's only attempt to reach Council space was him. And Council lived under assumption that all geths are hostile and dangerous until the very end.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ideally you brought up good points but we know that politically it doesn't make any sense for the Council to trust the Geths at that stage. The only way I can see them being there is through smuggling.

The Council races trust the Krogan to be part of the project, so it seems to be a case of beggars can't be choosers. If the Geth came to them with an offer, I don't see why they would turn it down. Have security precautions until trust can be earned sure, but not turned away completely. 

 

It's like the Crucible project, where Krogan, Batarians, Geth, and even Rachni were allowed to help. 

 

 

I'm not talking about their utility. I'm talking about simple fact Legion stated, "orthodox" geth's only attempt to reach Council space was him. And Council lived under assumption that all geths are hostile and dangerous until the very end.

The Geth built more than one 'Legion' platform, as we can see with the Geth VI. If they built two, why not a third and this one went as an envoy to the Council races? 

[SolNebula]

The Council races trust the Krogan to be part of the project, so it seems to be a case of beggars can't be choosers. If the Geth came to them with an offer, I don't see why they would turn it down. Have security precautions until trust can be earned sure, but not turned away completely. 

 

It's like the Crucible project, where even the Rachni were allowed to help. 

 

Having Geths and Rachni helping on the Crucible is related to Shepard actions and is not something that happens regardless. If we take for granted that this happened before the Reaper invasion then the old grudges and prejudices still stands.

Krogans aren't AIs.

 

Again I'm not against Geths, I just want a valid explanation on their presence there.

[shodiswe]

But they were accepted into galactic society after they retook Rannoch so why would they not be apart of the mass migration to Andromeda? Plus their liveships hold a lot of people and would be valuable for escorting some of the other races... and they would have adapted better immune systems by the time this game is released as this is what 100 years after ME3?

@DarthSherm

 

According to interviews they left before the end of ME3, went into stasis and wakes up centuries later, thats why it's playing out centuries later, they have been in cryosleep for centuries. They were slowboating. All Quarians were recalled to attack Rannoch.

 

Would they have allowed a small group to go elsewhere? Also, they even had problems collonising a new world in the milkyway with the milkyways supply and trade availability at their disposal..

 

I'm not sure how they would survive this... Maybe if they stayed in stasis for another five hundred years waiting for the other colonists to get more settled in and ready to support them and provide for them so they don't die out due to rough initial conditions.

 

They also wern't a citadel species member.

 

Quarians, Batarians, Geth, Vorcha were being integrated and preparing for getting accepted into galactic society. Geth and Vorcha were the most resilient species, they could survive as stoveaways among the cargo or even outside the hull of the ship hybernating.

Vorcha were known to come back to life after being crudely frozen and then tawned...

 

Krogans... We have seen at least one Krogan, so it stands to reason that Krogan didn't go to Andromeda alone.

 

The Batarians were hit first.

 

Like I said, there can be different ways to make them come along, keeping the bolk of the Quarian population in stasis until they got a survial chance somewhere where there is infrastucture.

Bataians, maybe the council scooped up a few refugees as an act of charity........

Geth, maybe they found out about it and sent a Legion like Geth with a storage containiner holding lots of Geth to repopulate a new Geth nation, and hid away somewhere on the ship, maybe a cargo storage meant to be opened very very late in the trip, or not until they reach Andromeda.

The Geth had sizable fleet resources and their journey would likely have been more efficient since they don't need Cryosleep to maintain themselves over the journey. So they might have sent their own version of an Ark after hearing about the council solution to the problem of survival.

 

Vorcha are known to sneak onto ships like Vermin and hide and hybernate etz.

 

Some species are less likely to be included but they can always handewave an explanation for sending them along.

[Epyon]

So now we'll have a Quarian who abandoned the Migrant fleet, isn't interested in bringing anything back to help their dying race and thus is not in any way indicative of their culture AND another unique snowflake Geth that doesn't require connection to the hivemind to be intelligent and thus barely qualifies as a Geth at all. MEA's cast's characterisation is already off to a great start.

[DarthLaxian]

I honestly think we need their expertise.

 

Indeed, who'd fix the damned Ark if something breaks in the middle of nowhere (as in: between galaxies were you won't find ressources easily etc.!)? Sure, there's other engineers, but Quarians do what they do with less material and under less than optimal conditions (Tali said she needs a circuit-board, some eezo and she'd have that do precision FTL-Jumps - might be exaggerating, but not by much!))

[TurianSpectre]

Indeed, who'd fix the damned Ark if something breaks in the middle of nowhere (as in: between galaxies were you won't find ressources easily etc.!)? Sure, there's other engineers, but Quarians do what they do with less material and under less than optimal conditions (Tali said she needs a circuit-board, some eezo and she'd have that do precision FTL-Jumps - might be exaggerating, but not by much!))

Agreed

[KaiserShep]

I think the need for Quarian know-how is a bit overstated. There's no reason the other races couldn't maintain their own ships on long voyages, except as an easy write-in to justify their necessity. That being said, I'd like at least a few Quarians in the game. Still, they're much easier to keep around than the geth, who have been primarily an enemy faction from beginning to damn near the end. 

 

And Geth make perfect sense to bring along. They are masters at building and operating ships, can serve as the crew for the voyage since they don't need any resources, and once we get to Andromeda they can serve as scouts on harsher planets, soldiers who can be an endless army since their platforms are expendable since they can be repaired or replaced, and builders who don't have the needs organics do. 

 

 

This does beg the question about which decisions are made canon, if any. The genophage is up in the air, but the geth/quarian conflict is even trickier. If the ship leaves before that is resolved, the geth simply cannot be a peaceful faction within this new story. 

[Tetrabytes101]

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What value would they be to humans?

Technology they create advanced weapons and A I,

[Barquiel]

I think the need for Quarian know-how is a bit overstated. There's no reason the other races couldn't maintain their own ships on long voyages, except as an easy write-in to justify their necessity. That being said, I'd like at least a few Quarians in the game. Still, they're much easier to keep around than the geth, who have been primarily an enemy faction from beginning to damn near the end.

I agree…and I think the quarians would have to go into cyrosleep just like everyone else (except maybe krogan or asari). A few quarians would be ok, I guess. But if the quarians mostly take a back seat role for awhile I’m totally fine with it.

[Sartoz]

If the assumption we are making in the forum being that the Arks leave before the Reaper invasion is correct, then I find hard to have Geth on the Arks as most species consider them enemies...unless they are brought in illegally I don't see any Council species inviting them in.

Same could be said for the Batarians.

 

I do see however a number of Quarian volunteers joining the expedition as a back-up plan...it feel feasible considering the political scenario we had at that time.

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The assumption is correct and confirmed by Walters, I think. It's a beautiful escape plot, as the ending canon fiascos are bypassed very neatly, I might add. On arrival, the crew are unaware of decisions and events after their departure. For all they know, the Alliance and Council races won the war (in a conventional manner).

 

I agree to the possibility that other races were invited (ie: volunteers)... certainly the Krogans were.  Their home world wasn't worth a damn and the males were mercenaries scattered oll over Council and Alliance space. Krogan contribution to the ARKs would be as cannon fodder and/or as  front line battle troops.

 

An interesting question:

Did the ARKs leave before a possible genophage solution?

[Halfdan The Menace]

As long as I get to beat the hell out of those suit-rats and give them infection. Why not eh? hehe...

[Sartoz]

Travelling for long periods of time on a big ol' spaceship to reach another galaxy?

 

 

Let's definitely NOT bring the most tech-savy species with us! #LOGIC

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Their peak tech was creating sentient AIs, that turned around and bit them severely in the azz. I can't see them offering anything of value to the ARKON project that would buy them a berth /  colony ship in the ARK.

[Han Shot First]

And Geth make perfect sense to bring along. They are masters at building and operating ships, can serve as the crew for the voyage since they don't need any resources, and once we get to Andromeda they can serve as scouts on harsher planets, soldiers who can be an endless army since their platforms are expendable since they can be repaired or replaced, and builders who don't have the needs organics do.

Geth could also run the ship while everyone else takes a 500 year long nap.

[Tetrabytes101]

Dont forgett the E3 showcase and what was said at the very beginning of the show!
NEW CHARACTERS
NEW WORLDS
there maybe new characters we dont even know of as yet,that we will grow to love haha.

[DarthLaxian]

As long as I get to beat the hell out of those suit-rats and give them infection. Why not eh? hehe...

 

Now posts like THAT need a damned DISLIKE-Button -.- (sorry, it's ok not to like certain races, but spew racism (yes: even against fictional races it's still racism!) like that IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AT ALL!)

[Pee Jae]

Bleh, if we can have Asari, Salarians and Krogan, we can have Quarians just as well. "Reasons" be damned. 

[ShadyKat]

Wouldn't be surprised if they didn't include Quarians in the new trilogy. Seeing as their race could die off in ME3 or if they got their homeworld back, then why would some join a human settlement program to another galaxy?
Plus they need room for the new races and I think their story has been played out.

Even if the Flotilla gets destroyed,all Quarians aren't there. Many are off on pilgrimages or have been exiled. So while they would be very endangered, they wouldn't be extinct. Same goes for Batarian. Hell, humans and turians lost a lot of lives during the reaper envision, probably over 50% of their total numbers.

[TurianSpectre]

Even if the Flotilla gets destroyed,all Quarians aren't there. Many are off on pilgrimages or have been exiled. So while they would be very endangered, they wouldn't be extinct. Same goes for Batarian. Hell, humans and turians lost a lot of lives during the reaper envision, probably over 50% of their total numbers.

Eh one word... Rannoch

[X Equestris]

There is no point in Quarians going to Andromeda unless they bring a few thousand to repopulate a new world. Thousands of Quarians will not ignore the call to take back their homeworld. Even if they were planning on going to Andromeda, they would have backed out and left for Ranoch.
 
You have a few dozen outlaws and renegades that are not welcome back, but even then, they might get a pardon if they help take back Ranoch.
Quarians in Andromeda make no sense because of the events of ME3.

Ignoring the possibility of some tiny colony who separated from the fleet a while ago? We could be leaving before ME3 even begins, for all we know.