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#101
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Tereshkova is an interesting lady, she offered to go to Mars (one way) a couple of years ago.

 

BioWare has (as mentioned above) has named a star system after her: http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Tereshkova

As far as protagonist name choice is concerned that is their choice.

 

Anyone with any credibility in space-related matters will recognise Tereshkova's place.

Are BioWare 'russophones'? Don't be silly, OP.


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One could easily argue that if not for Russian the fair haired westerners would not have been victorious in WW2.  (What's wrong with a communist revolution btw?)

What's wrong with communism? The fact that bullshit. And that this nonsense was supported by force.



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One could easily argue that if not for Russian the fair haired westerners would not have been victorious in WW2.  (What's wrong with a communist revolution btw?)

One could argue that without westerners bombing German industry there would be a German flag flying over all slavic cities west of Urals. 

 

Nothing, if you dont mind several hundred milion dead, and the fact that it caused Eastern Europe to be associated with undeveloped and poor.



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This thread is heading for 'closed' very fast.

 

I would suggest reading histories written from different perspectives, it is actually quite interesting. The centric views, no matter where they are anchored, are boring and repetitive. Being sure of something is an intellectual dead-end.



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What's wrong with communism? The fact that bullshit. And that this nonsense was supported by force.

Communism is bad and wrong, its absurd to say otherwise. Id prefer our present "democracy" of sorts to that.

 

But Germany would have won WW2 if not for Russia, not understanding this is foolish too.


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Communism is bad and wrong, its absurd to say otherwise. Id prefer our present "democracy" of sorts to that.

 

But Germany would have won WW2 if not for Russia, not understanding this is foolish too.

Despite allied bombing, firebombing, total destruction of factories etc... Germany produced over 18 000 tanks in 1944. A simple thought on what they could produce if they werent bombed would show that without Western Allies Russia would be crushed like a bug



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Despite allied bombing, firebombing, total destruction of factories etc... Germany produced over 18 000 tanks in 1944. A simple thought on what they could produce if they werent bombed would show that without Western Allies Russia would be crushed like a bug

omg close this thread pls. like a bug my ass.

 

I live here, I know that while the government doesnt care much about its people, it cares a lot about its military state. Nowadays there are not so many patriotic people, but in the war times the unity of russian people was what drove them to victory.



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One could argue that without westerners bombing German industry there would be a German flag flying over all slavic cities west of Urals.

Nothing, if you dont mind several hundred milion dead, and the fact that it caused Eastern Europe to be associated with undeveloped and poor.

Heh.
I'm old enough to remember my grand dad and three grand uncles, all veterans of the eastern and western front. Judging from their tales it was Russian determination and bravery that won the battle of Europe for the Allies. Everyone who got sent to the western front was considered lucky, everyone knew that the tough opponent was coming from the east. Russia gets way too little credit these days.
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One could argue that without westerners bombing German industry there would be a German flag flying over all slavic cities west of Urals. 

 

Nothing, if you dont mind several hundred milion dead, and the fact that it caused Eastern Europe to be associated with undeveloped and poor.

 

Communism is bad and wrong, its absurd to say otherwise. Id prefer our present "democracy" of sorts to that.

 

But Germany would have won WW2 if not for Russia, not understanding this is foolish too.

 

Guys, lets not argue about who won WW2 again. That is the topic no one will ever agree on. Not on this thread anyway. Let's just be happy it ended.

 

As for the topic itself,

 

Bioware are not Russaphobes. 'Ryder' is simple, quite general, flexible and has a nice space reference. It would be good to have a diverse set of names in the game, not just Russian names, but from other countries too. I am sure if that is not the case for this game, this could be improved on in the future games, if people point out it to BioWare nicely.



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Heh.
I'm old enough to remember my grand dad and three grand uncles, all veterans of the eastern and western front. Judging from their tales it was Russian determination and bravery that won the battle of Europe for the Allies. Everyone who got sent to the western front was considered lucky, everyone knew that the tough opponent was coming from the east. Russia gets way too little credit these days.

Is that why Germans lost 4.5 milion men in the entire war fighting on two fronts while Soviets lost 22 000 000? Without Lend least and western support Soviets were doomed



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Heh.
I'm old enough to remember my grand dad and three grand uncles, all veterans of the eastern and western front. Judging from their tales it was Russian determination and bravery that won the battle of Europe for the Allies. Everyone who got sent to the western front was considered lucky, everyone knew that the tough opponent was coming from the east. Russia gets way too little credit these days.

yeah even history books state that it was american and european forces that won that war. little credit goes to russia, though we had the most casualties( since we had most populated army). its a pity, now most of our veterans are dead(including my grandparents) and nobody soon will remember that they played any part.



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Russophobia is defined as a diverse spectrum of negative feelings, dislikes, fears, aversion, derision and/or prejudice of Russia, Russians and/or Russian culture.

 

According to the rumor floating around, the protagonist family name is Ryder because apparently, the first female astronaut in space was Sally Kristen Ride. Hence, the name Ryder was chosen for Mass Effect Andromeda's protagonist with Female Ryder being Bioware's default protagonist.

 

https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Sally_Ride

 

There is just one big problem with this...

 

The first female astronaut in space was not Sally Ride. The first female astronaut in space was Valentina Vladimirovna Tereshkova.

 

https://en.wikipedia...tina_Tereshkova

 

Only those with an Amerocentric view of the world would see Sally Ride as the first woman in space. Those who choose to be factual would recognize that the first woman in space to be Valentina Tereshkova.

 

This is typical ignorant Canadian behavior. Although to be fair, that country gave us people like Justin Bieber and Ted Cruz so I can see where that comes from.

 

If Bioware wish to do the "first female astronaut" moniker justice for the protagonist name, they should change the protagonist family name from Ryder to something along the lines of Tereshkova.

 

#RussianAccomplishmentsMatter.

 

That's it! I'm adding a 'T' to every name so it'll be "[some semi-random name] T Ryder", which if i could, would be "[…] T-Ryder. Which means, i might make my maleRyde's first name be "Dino". :lol:



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Is that why Germans lost 4.5 milion men in the entire war fighting on two fronts while Soviets lost 22 000 000? Without Lend least and western support Soviets were doomed

please shut your mouth. you doing nothing but disgracing people who died for our freedom.


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#114
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Hey, folks! Remember: The Second World War ended! 



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please shut your mouth. you doing nothing but disgracing people who died for our freedom.

I am not disgracing the people who died for our freedom. I am defending them from Russian claims that they did it. Warsaw and other areas saw what Russian "liberation" brings



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While i dont completely agree with the OP, all your comments of mocking russian culture/names/etc only make his statement true.

 

Since its in the future and humanity more or less united, they should have used a bit of variety of names and nations shown, not just American/English.

 

Yeah? Really? Mocking. Me.

 

Where are you from, exactly?



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please shut your mouth. you doing nothing but disgracing people who died for our freedom.

 

I live in former Czechoslovakia, and TRUST ME, I COULD ARGUE.


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I don't really see Russophobia, more Anglocentrism - there's no specific anti-Russian bias, just a tendency to go with the culture/history they are more familiar with, with the result that all others get somewhat overlooked.

 

As for the WW2 stuff, Germany couldn't have beaten either the Western Allies or the USSR even without the other's actions - fighting just one of them would've dragged the war out much longer, but Germany was screwed the moment they started they war regardless of who they ended up fighting (well, actually, given that their economy was entirely based around the assumption of fighting a war and utterly unsustainable in the long run, they were screwed long before '39 - if they didn't get into an unwinnable war, they would've suffered economic collapse).


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I am not disgracing the people who died for our freedom. I am defending them from Russian claims that they did it. Warsaw and other areas saw what Russian "liberation" brings

yeah ofc russia( soviet union at that time) is the only bad here. lets forget american invasion politics and european colonization:) 



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yeah ofc russia( soviet union at that time) is the only bad here. lets forget american invasion politics and european colonization:) 

Yeah, Western Europeans killed the natives in 1500's, how bad of them. Russia at the same time grew from areas in Moscow neighborhood to 17 000 000km2 trough peace love and kisses and definitely didnt exterminate the natives. 

 

America, and west is sorry for what it has done, whereas Russia is proud on its murders. That is the difference. Western Allies brought freedom to areas they liberated from Germany. What Soviets brought anyone from East Europe can tell you, was nothing but opression and darkness



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Boy do I hope this thread gets closed because now it's just spreading hate .

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Yeah, Western Europeans killed the natives in 1500's, how bad of them. Russia at the same time grew from areas in Moscow neighborhood to 17 000 000km2 trough peace love and kisses and definitely didnt exterminate the natives. 

 

America, and west is sorry for what it has done, whereas Russia is proud on its murders. That is the difference. Western Allies brought freedom to areas they liberated from Germany. What Soviets brought anyone from East Europe can tell you, was nothing but opression and darkness

You talk like that, as if soviet leaders didnt terrorise russian citizens too. Stalin killed thousands of ppl, imprisoned a lot of innocents and done many horrific things. But no please be free to say how only your people had it bad. my mom and my grandparents had a poor life, my uncle was imprisoned for 5 years without proper judgement, my grand grand father was killed in his house for his religion.

 

Russia is not just the government , its people too, they fought the war simply to survive not to invade the other countries. 

 

so when you putting the blame, blame the dictators and the government. 


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In Alaska, Russia is to the West.


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Unfortunate, but yes. This has become nothing but a bash thread.



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What's wrong with communism? The fact that bullshit. And that this nonsense was supported by force.

Any one of a wide variety of political systems can work well in principle.  The fact is that all the people that 'believe' in these systems cheat when it is convenient to do so.  Capitalism and free enterprise has as much 'cheating' on their principles as any system.  As for the force bit, that has happened a fair bit in our worlds history and has happened on a variety of political spectrums.


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