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Something like that does concern me a little. I really want to be able to have my character sound more educated and reasonable.


I assume that most of the things that'll be being asked will be about Andromeda where its OK to be ignorant. Though I guess they'll still need to fit in the "what is the Genophage" and "why the Asari want to get in your pants" stuff too.

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you get to a certain age you get used to all game characters being "young", use the CC and your RP to the best of your ability



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you get to a certain age you get used to all game characters being "young", use the CC and your RP to the best of your ability

 

 

Geralt of Rivia is a 100 years old, exactly how old are you?



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   I'm fine with it, honestly. I'm 31 and my wife is 46 and we have been together for 4 years, so the age issue doesn't bother me personally...not in the slightest. When I was in my 20's(and even my teens) I would hear older women (women in their 30's, 40's and 50's) talk about how they didn't want "immature men in their 20's", but after being around those same women for just a few minutes I always felt that they were childlike and immature compare to my standards. So it's possible the young cast my have personalities more mature than a lot of the much older players(hopefully there are at least a couple).

 

    If they are a bit immature I'm fine with that as well, but maybe that's because when I play Bioware games I don't really see it as "I'M" the one having the relationships with these characters; I see it as the games' protagonists having relationships, so for me that makes a younger and possibly less immature cast even less of a problem. That's just my opinion though  :) .



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My theory is that she got knocked out, or fell asleep because she just woke up out of cryo, and had to get the ship outta there.   I dunno what it was, but something bad. 

 

My reasoning for this is look around her?   She's not in a pod, she's not covered with anything.  Do you honestly think they're gonna let somebody go for so many hundreds of years like that? 

 

I think she simply went to cryo in the middle of a combat. Maybe the Project wasn't totally ready for lunch and they had to rush it in order to survive. Perhaps the Reapers/baddies-who-force-us-to-leave-Milky-Way discovered the Ark Project and try to destroy it. That's why we are with the armor on and that's why she shows so much relief to see they are alive. The problem was not only the slim possibility of survive the journey to Andromeda, but the Project is not ready and suddlenly the project is in the middle of a warzone.

 

Start the game with a little cinematic introduction of the project (what it is, why, how they are organizing everything) and who we are (and our family) . Then, we are under attack (as every single game of Mass Effect does, especially ME2 and ME3).


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Geralt of Rivia is a 100 years old, exactly how old are you?

I dont play the witcher



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http://www.polygon.c...preview-e3-2016

 

As someone who is 2 years from 30, please don't make me feel creepy hitting on 20-year-old teammates. Please.

 

Also I don't empathize with children.

 

:unsure:  :unsure: Feeling concern  :unsure:  :unsure:

Time to feel young and handsome again!


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Wow. A team of younger, untested characters. What an original idea. We certainly don’t have billions of those around popular media.

One of the things I loved about the ME trilogy is that the characters were established. I mean, Shepard, Ashley, and Kaidan were around 30. And we had older characters too in Wrex, Zaeed, Chakwas, Anderson, and so on. Garrus, Tali, and Liara were the greenhorns and that was offset by the aforementioned elder characters. There was a sense of variety that made it seem alive.

It’s very obnoxious how there’s this obsessive need for playable characters to be young and untested just to ‘relate’ or whatever the hell justification they use to get the teens to play their games. Excuse me, but the median age of the gamer is over 30, it would not kill them to have older characters, ffs.

I would like to leave a comment from polygon I relate to.

 

Besides I can see a younger MC work in MEA but ONLY in certain circumstances (chain of command is broken). Bluntly speaking - who the flying @%*& would send a young and inexperienced commander on a mission of this importance??? It would be an All-Star team drafted from the streets and back alleys.

In other sense I hope BW wont go retarded on the plot and have a good reason.

 

Going back to the problem at hand. YOUNGER GENERATION. What generation? You do the poll and it shows that the average is, lets say, 28-36y/o. BW: "Great! Lets make a game for 19-25...". Seriously, one would might ask - WTF?

Is that the case here? I hope not. I really HOPE...

BW record is really bad in my books as of "late". Noticeable impact was with ME3 narrative, change of tone of the story and other serious gripes + the awful ending. I haven't buy the DAI because of the disappointment with how the questing, locations and story frame was handled. All my speculation and worries appeared to be true after release... maybe someday, bargain bit.

Now there's MEA. And again I fear the studio is aiming at a wrong target audience. And betting on the wrong component for success - exploration like in survival aspect. I hope we wont land a disjointed narrative and bland plot.

 

Besides all that one feature is a HUGE drawing point for me. Stranger in strange lands. Being one human where non other are present. I like the concept (I can relate to my fav work of fiction here - be it books, movies or comic books here. Then again they have to make it more intense, a first contact with human race. We, the aliens.

 

And the Mako :)


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It really isn't an issue, I mean the main character might be younger and you may have a few younger companions, but it isn't as if everyone is going to be young so this seems like an overreaction overall.

 

Leadership of the different arks and probably most of the tech crew are going to be a bit older, same with the heads of different departments like medical/etc. It's going to be a mix of ages just like the old Mass Effects, but they're probably intending to link the idea of being young and new to a galaxy to the main characters a bit to help reinforce that this person doesn't start as a seasoned badass, they have to grow and learn.

 

Easy peasy.



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As someone who is 2 years from 30, please don't make me feel creepy hitting on 20-year-old teammates. Please.

 

Also I don't empathize with children.

 

Feeling concern

 

2 years from 30 ? You know, this is not ancient times where Humans died out from diseases quickly and the West is not a conflict warzone so making it to 28 years old in 2016 in a Western country is just not a big deal and par for the course.

 

Humans in their 20s are children ? Are you genuinely obtuse or just trolling ? Trolling probably. 

 

Don't empathize with children ? What's that go to do with space exploration ?

 

Feeling concern ? The protagonist of Mass Effect Andromeda is not you. They are fictional characters with their own names, own age, etc. We can influence their personality and character arc but that's it.

 

TL;DR - Grow up. You say you are 28 years old, so act like it.
 


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http://www.polygon.c...preview-e3-2016

 

As someone who is 2 years from 30, please don't make me feel creepy hitting on 20-year-old teammates. Please.

 

Also I don't empathize with children.

 

:unsure:  :unsure: Feeling concern  :unsure:  :unsure:

 

I'm in my early twenties but i am not a child anymore  ;)


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But I guess out of curiosity on a military dimension can like 15 year olds join the military or how does that work? I'd imagine at some point it is a case of physical strength being an issue.


For modern first world nations usually you have to be at the legal age of majority (18, usually) or close to it. 17 year olds can enlist in the United States if their parents or legal guardians give consent. I graduated High School at 17 and enlisted immediately after. The way things worked out I didn't get scheduled to leave until after my 18th birthday, but I could have left sooner.

There are sadly much younger kids serving in some third world armies, but that is considered a major human rights abuse. Child soldiers are still a problem in some places in Africa.

The Alliance I would imagine probably has more in common with the United States or countries in the European Union than countries like Sudan. They probably shouldn't have soldiers younger than 18.

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People are missing the point ,by a large margin sometimes, take @bayonet Hipshot for example.

 

The protagonist of Mass Effect Andromeda is not you

Well, but the devs want for us to identify oneself with the protagonist. So, in plain terms, make our characters our avatars to make the story more PERSONAL experience. So how does that relate to PC not being "us"?

 

Have you been to any campus lately? Today 20ies mentality, in general, are waaay immature considering, say late 30ies and 40ties in XXth century.

in 1944 young men were jumping out of planes, embarking warships, landing on beaches etc. VOLUNTARILY. Now they need safe zones because "words hurt"... :)


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Being 3x 20 years of age, I love Bioware games and in particular the ME3 franshise due to their strengh of giving me the opportunity of escapism.  I honestly don't look for any reality in games, for that I simply step outside into the world.

 

Of course that does not mean some ingame things can't be ennoying to me.  But honestly does not all media use the unrealistic perfect shaped beautiful men or woman?  It's mostly the villain or witch who are palin ugly.  In all honesty how many of the players of ME franshise have the body of a Shepard, Miranda, Jacob?  Let alone their fitnes!

 

Any media does not mirror reality, that is oft forgotten.  Due to the fact most of us spend so many time in a virtual enviroment we tend to forget this and thats the downside.


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While this conversation has been calm and interesting, both pluses around here, I'm still failing to see from where the original concern arises. None of the info suggests an exceptionally youthful protagonist. No mention at all is made of the crew, so applying this assumption to the crew is totally baseless. The articles linked contained nothing, really, to fuel all this "age crisis" in this thread, so I'm assuming it's combination of the info in the articles and the youthful face of the protagonist (and maybe the Asari character, as well).

Let's use Commander Shepard as an example to reason this out. I like the "War Hero" background a lot, and use it more times than not, so I'll use it in the following points. The Skyllian Blitz happened in 2176. Shepard was 22 years old in 2176. That is easily in the wheelhouse of the MEA PC's age. The events of the Blitz earned Shepard the Star of Terra, and served as the defining moment in Shepard's career until the Battle of the Citadel. The Skyllian Blitz drew the eyes of the Council and their Spectres to Shepard, and made the rest of the story possible. Again, Shepard was 22 yo.

As to the protagonist's age, she looks 22 yo to me, or right in that range. (If the Asari is bugging/confusing people, I am pretty certain she was a demo of animation techniques. She won't look the same the next time we see her.) Sheploo looked way, way too old, to be honest. He's supposed to be 29 in ME? With all those signs of age on his face? He looked to be in his forties. It's worth reminding everyone that this is a world in which humans live to be 150 yo. There's no reason Shep's face should be so aged at 29.

The 22 yo Shepard already possessed the greatness that would one day allow him/her to become the hero who would lead the Galaxy to victory against the Reapers. Our MEA protagonist has that greatness, too. The story will simply allow us to play out our "Skyllian Blitz", rather than it being a part of our backstory.

I expect the squadmates to be as badass as ever. I've never heard of a "green" Krogan. Their society doesn't produce unsure weaklings, and we saw him and the female squaddie fighting alongside an N7. Our crew won't be a bunch of snot-nosed novices, nor will our protagonist be one. There is nothing about which to worry.

Edit: iPad typos and missing words. Ugh.
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BioWARE/Obsi always had a mix of younger and older characters, and tended to have at least one perky rogue gal shipped with every game, from "Heya, I'm Imoen" onward.

 

I am sure ME:A won't be an exception, and as long as they are not boring like Torian, who cares. I can self-insert as 80 yo or 18 yo if the protagonist is worth it.



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I'm with Addictress on the age issue. Early to mid 20 somethings is way too young to lead a mission of this importance. The experience and maturity isn't there. I was really hoping that BW wouldn't follow the trend of putting noobs in positions of power, like with new Trek, but apparently they've done it. I just cannot take 20 somethings seriously in a leadership position. I hope they at least have a strong mentor.
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While this conversation has been calm and interesting, both pluses around here, I'm still failing to see from where the original concern arises. None of the info suggests an exceptionally youthful protagonist. No mention at all is made of the crew, so applying this assumption to the crew is totally baseless. The articles linked contained nothing, really, to fuel all this "age crisis" in this thread, so I'm assuming it's combination of the info in the articles and the youthful face of the protagonist (and maybe the Asari character, as well).

Let's use Commander Shepard as an example to reason this out. I like the "War Hero" background a lot, and use it more times than not, so I'll use it in the following points. The Skyllian Blitz happened in 2176. Shepard was 22 years old in 2176. That is easily in the wheelhouse of the MEA PC's age. The events of the Blitz earned Shepard the Star of Terra, and served as the defining moment in Shepard's career until the Battle of the Citadel. The Skyllian Blitz drew the eyes of the Council and their Spectres to Shepard, and made the rest of the story possible. Again, Shepard was 22 yo.

As to the protagonist's age, she looks 22 yo to me, or right in that range. (If the Asari is bugging/confusing people, I am pretty certain she was a demo of animation techniques. She won't look the same the next time we see her.) Sheploo looked way, way too old, to be honest. He's supposed to be 29 in ME? With all those signs of age on his face? He looked to be in his forties. It's worth reminding everyone that this is a world in which humans live to be 150 yo. There's no reason Shep's face should be so aged at 29.

The 22 yo Shepard already possessed the greatness that would one day allow him/her to become the hero who would lead the Galaxy to victory against the Reapers. Our MEA protagonist has that greatness, too. The story will simply allow us to play out our "Skyllian Blitz", rather than it being a part of our backstory.

I expect the squadmates to be as badass as ever. I've never heard of a "green" Krogan. Their society doesn't produce unsure weaklings, and we saw him and the female squaddie fighting alongside an N7. Our crew won't be a bunch of snot-nosed novices, nor will our protagonist be one. There is nothing about which to worry.

Edit: iPad typos and missing words. Ugh.

 

 

Don't bother, this thread is BSN at it's worst. Raging over something because people are too lazy to read, ignoring reasons to stay calm.


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I don't care unless it makes me feel like an obnoxious kid stalker. Like these squeaky noises in Overwatch.



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I'm with Addictress on the age issue. Early to mid 20 somethings is way too young to lead a mission of this importance. The experience and maturity isn't there. I was really hoping that BW wouldn't follow the trend of putting noobs in positions of power, like with new Trek, but apparently they've done it. I just cannot take 20 somethings seriously in a leadership position. I hope they at least have a strong mentor.


She wasn't worried about them commanding; she was worried about smooching them. ;)

You're right about a youth being given command of a warship. It's a bit silly. All you can hope is that a modicum of explanation is offered, at least enough so to allow you to willingly suspend disbelief.

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I'm with Addictress on the age issue. Early to mid 20 somethings is way too young to lead a mission of this importance. The experience and maturity isn't there. I was really hoping that BW wouldn't follow the trend of putting noobs in positions of power, like with new Trek, but apparently they've done it. I just cannot take 20 somethings seriously in a leadership position. I hope they at least have a strong mentor.

 

As i said i'm in my early twenties but uh this woman can lead you all to victory  :P  :D


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My reasoning for this is look around her?   She's not in a pod, she's not covered with anything.  Do you honestly think they're gonna let somebody go for so many hundreds of years like that? 

 

Take a better look around her though. There are person-sized pods with white valves running along them. Seems to me like that room has a whole bunch of people in pods in it. Whichever pod is about to be woken is probably moved to the spot Ryder is in, dethawed, opened. We only see the part where she gets up, at least that's what it looked like to me.



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She wasn't worried about them commanding; she was worried about smooching them. ;)
You're right about a youth being given command of a warship. It's a bit silly. All you can hope is that a modicum of explanation is offered, at least enough so to allow you to willingly suspend disbelief.


Lol, well, I'm not too excited about sexy times with an early 20s either. When I think of that age, I conjure images of all the frat boy like doofs I knew. 20 somethings need leadership; they don't need to be the leadership. Hope you are right and that BW writes a half decent explanation for giving young'uns the run of the mission.

  

As i said i'm in my early twenties but uh this woman can lead you all to victory  :P  :D.


I have no doubt! It's all the other 20s I worry about! ;)

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I'm with Addictress on the age issue. Early to mid 20 somethings is way too young to lead a mission of this importance. The experience and maturity isn't there. I was really hoping that BW wouldn't follow the trend of putting noobs in positions of power, like with new Trek, but apparently they've done it. I just cannot take 20 somethings seriously in a leadership position. I hope they at least have a strong mentor.

 

20-somethings were quite prominent throughout the world's history as commanders, leaders, etc (I hesitate to bring up Alexander the Great, since it is almost a trivial example). The delayed maturity is a product of the late 20th century, and there is no reason for this trend not to be reversed later in the 21st and 22nd centuries. In fact, I actually hope they would be, as the Western distrust and treatment of teens is not something I am comfortable with as an old lady I am.

 

Now, of course, the history has plenty of examples of the folks in their prime stepping up to the plate to, and even selected for those qualities (see leonidas' Spartans all of which were hand-picked to be old enough to have a son to take over)...

 

In the end, again, I would not find the age in itself a cause of disbelief, as long as the characters act competently, 22 is as good as 32 or 42 for me.

 

Plus, due to the nature of spatial exploration, I'd think that younger mission makes more sense due to adaptability and not having roots back at home, etc


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I have no doubt! It's all the other 20s I worry about! ;)

 

Those other 20s out there might also surprise you you never know and maybe you just worry to much  ;)