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[Element Zero]

Do we know for a fact that she's leading the mission, though? I think that's a huge leap of logic unless it's true (it could be, I haven't read all the info yet.) But I'm going to assume she doesn't....it doesn't fit the idea of starting out as a (relative) nobody.
 
So, wouldn't worry about an early 20 year old running a huge ass ship/mission like that. In the end it really ends up being the persons ability to execute, if they're good they're good regardless of age.

I'm sure the protagonist isn't going to be 20yo, but she will be in command. She isn't in command of the entire expedition. That would be silly. That Ark is big enough that it may have both civilian and military leadership. The protagonist will be in command of Tempest, the exploratory vessel/warship and its crew.

[Element Zero]

So basically everyone in this thread assumes the journalist was wrong.

I didn't get the same thing from the journalist's words that you got. I took away no suggestion of age. All I read was that our protagonist will not be a pre-established hero, as with Commander Shepard.

Edit: apostrophe. Yep, I'm that picky.

[hangmans tree]

Two things that come to my mind where a young looking high ranking char would work:

1. Catastrophic event. You lead because you are next it line, cut off from command

2. Youth fountain. Maybe expanding lifeline is a thing in the future and your body doesn't age that quickly, so you look 20ish but have 30-40 years of field experience in your pocket

 

Just a couple that pops to mind what could happen in unknown space far into the future.

 

I applaud someone's comment about maturity and how the technological and social advancement (well, that is debatable) is stretching that process in time. Its very much true and accurate. Unless we change our social "logic" this trend will not only continue but undermine our civilization Right now in modern Japan there is a young generation of parasites/leeches - how are they referred to iirc.

 

But Im going off trace am I

[Fixers0]

Good, I Never really liked how Shepard performed some heroic deed in his/her early twenties and then did like nothing of note before the start of ME1. They really should have put max a year in between the Blitz/Torfan/Akuze and the start of the game and have Shepard be like 24/25.

[jtav]

Let's not overlook the situation, however. The particular circumstances of the Arks may mean that they have limited personel able to fight and explore, and thus are pretty much saddled with giving the PC a command role. Indeed, I'd be surprised if we start the game as commander; ALA ME1, I think we will be a noob forced into captaining the ship due to unfortunate mishaps.
 
Something similar happened in revolutionary France. The lack of general to fight all their wars meant you could get promoted to the highest offices as early as 22 or 23 years old. Sometimes, it didn't work. But that one time, they ended up with Napoléon. When you are in a critical shortage of commanders, protocol doesn't matter that much.

Okay, that's it. Second playthrough will be a Napoleonesque Young Conquerer type: brilliant, ruthless, and determined to finally get that new human empire.

[Addictress]

I didn't get the same thing from the journalist's words that you got. I took away no suggestion of age. All I read was that our protagonist will not be a pre-established hero, as with Commander Shepard.

Edit: apostrophe. Yep, I'm that picky.

The title of the article?

[prosthetic soul]

Please tell me you're not calling yourself old at 28.

 

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Also, if you use "literally" in this context, you are literally still a young person.

I think it's less to do with that and more with the ever rising trend of quarter life crisis. 

[Onuris22]

The old leak (which has been essentially confirmed by subsequent official information) suggests we're making the sort of decisions that only a high ranking leader would make. Picking our missions, establishing settlements and so forth.

Fundamentally, if we're not in charge then there doesn't seem to be much sense in all the "exploration" stuff. We'd just go where we were sent.

 

Could be a necessity thing, could run into hostile aliens pretty early meaning some people either taken out or we're just spread so thin it has to happen. We also don't really know when it happens, could be something they build into early on showing why/how/etc so you have something to react to. Hell, if it's mostly exploring, and since no one has experience in this sector of space, they may not really care so much who's leading as it gets done. You could even be taking orders initially until you show that you can hack it. If the rest of Ryder's family is present you could be working as a team with them + all your normal companions.

 

So basically everyone in this thread assumes the journalist was wrong.

 

Or that we do what we do with all incomplete information, we question and try to rationalize it.

 

It doesn't explicitly say they're all young. Young is also subjective, you place so much emphasis on them being in their 20s and hating it especially when you aren't even out of your 20s yet. I don't see what's wrong having a younger team and without more concrete info we have no way of knowing the age ranges....and they shouldn't even matter if the story is good and their characters are good.

 

So, yeah, we know they have a "younger cast," but we don't know anything beyond that and it doesn't preclude older characters.

[Fogg]

 

Or that we do what we do with all incomplete information, we question and try to rationalize it.

 

 

 

Nothing about this thread is rational

[Addictress]

Could be a necessity thing, could run into hostile aliens pretty early meaning some people either taken out or we're just spread so thin it has to happen. We also don't really know when it happens, could be something they build into early on showing why/how/etc so you have something to react to. Hell, if it's mostly exploring, and since no one has experience in this sector of space, they may not really care so much who's leading as it gets done. You could even be taking orders initially until you show that you can hack it. If the rest of Ryder's family is present you could be working as a team with them + all your normal companions.


Or that we do what we do with all incomplete information, we question and try to rationalize it.

It doesn't explicitly say they're all young. Young is also subjective, you place so much emphasis on them being in their 20s and hating it especially when you aren't even out of your 20s yet. I don't see what's wrong having a younger team and without more concrete info we have no way of knowing the age ranges....and they shouldn't even matter if the story is good and their characters are good.

I'm saying the journalist was wrong because she explicitly says "younger" in the title of her article.

Journalists are constantly misleading like that in modern sites nowadays, so I get it. Although when push comes to shove and people are debating the meaning of the source regardless of how the article was written, it's something to consider.

[prosthetic soul]

I'm saying the journalist was wrong because she explicitly says "younger" in the title of her article.

Journalists are constantly misleading like that in modern sites nowadays, so I get it. Although when push comes to shove and people are debating the meaning of the source regardless of how the article was written, it's something to consider.

Gaming journalists these days shouldn't even be called journalists.  They're corrupt shills.  All of them.

[Addictress]

I just really hope that this means that they learned from what worked in DA2. Because I really liked the idea of taking a noob protagonist over a long period of time (say a trilogy) up to a wall-eating badass. Shepard started out pretty competent -- there wasn't much chance to grow.

And I MIGHT be thirty when this game hits shelves. Which would be funny. I played Shepard in her thirties in my early 20s, now I'll get Ryder in her twenties in my early 30s.

I like this too. If they're doing the Hawke progression I will be VERY pleased.

[Addictress]

This is the best news I've heard on this game yet. Shepard was too much of a complete package. We were essentially handed the keys to the Galaxy because of our bad ass experiences right from the word go. Instead we get to forge our bad ass experiences from the very beginning. We get to experience a Shepard like story before our hero was even Shepard. Watching them grow, and having a hand in making them grow in the process. This could be nothing but good news.

Nope, while Shepard qualified for an elite N7 mission due to past military experience, he was still a rookie in N7. It's like saying you're an expert in the first year of a top medical school because you were a brilliant high school student who got awards in high school.

[Medhia_Nox]

http://www.polygon.c...preview-e3-2016

 

As someone who is 2 years from 30, please don't make me feel creepy hitting on 20-year-old teammates. Please.

 

Also I don't empathize with children.

 

  Feeling concern   

Hate to break it to you - it's only going to get worse for you.

 

And not every 20 something is a child... that's a bit of ageism right there.

 

"I'm 38... and I don't want to be a ignorant little 30 year old... I can't empathize with them."  While I am 38... that's not a really nice thing for me to say is it?

[Onuris22]

I'm saying the journalist was wrong because she explicitly says "younger" in the title of her article.

Journalists are constantly misleading like that in modern sites nowadays, so I get it. Although when push comes to shove and people are debating the meaning of the source regardless of how the article was written, it's something to consider.

 

I'm not 100% familiar with Polygon, but it could be them going off the info that Bioware gave them, not that it automatically divests them of the blame. I still don't see the issue even in the title, they aren't wrong as far as we know.

 

Gaming journalists these days shouldn't even be called journalists.  They're corrupt shills.  All of them.

 

There's a reason I stay away from places like IGN, etc

[Cheylus]

When you're above 20s, myself included, and still playing video games, you have no words to say on that matter.

[Fogg]

Nope, while Shepard qualified for an elite N7 mission due to past military experience, he was still a rookie in N7. It's like saying you're an expert in the first year of a top medical school because you were a brilliant high school student who got awards in high school.

 

 

You know the first scene of the trilogy is 'Hey, you are Alliance's best soldier, you should be Spectre, the galaxy's most elite soldiers'

[Addictress]

You know the first scene of the trilogy is 'Hey, you are Alliance's best soldier, you should be Spectre, the galaxy's most elite soldiers'

Right, the entire game is about not being spectre yet, having to earn spectre status and not only that keeping spectre status.

He didn't drop out of the sky with a divine mark on his hand or something. He had to earn it.

[Fogg]

Right, the entire game is about not being spectre yet, having to earn spectre status and not only that keeping spectre status.

He didn't drop out of the sky with a divine mark on his hand or something. He had to earn it.

 

 

You become a Spectre right after meeting Tali, the first time you're on the Citadel

[Addictress]

You become a Spectre right after meeting Tali, the first time you're on the Citadel

Getting to Tali was at the end of several missions. It was like the conclusion of a major act. The induction into spectre status took a lot of arguing with the council and Udina and Anderson.... You don't remember all that?

It felt a hell of a lot more meaningful than becoming inquisitor did anyhow.

[Domi_Sotto]

Hate to break it to you - it's only going to get worse for you.

 

And not every 20 something is a child... that's a bit of ageism right there.

 

"I'm 38... and I don't want to be a ignorant little 30 year old... I can't empathize with them."  While I am 38... that's not a really nice thing for me to say is it?

 

Ah, no. The trick is to ascend to the Ageless Goddess status.

[Fogg]

Getting to Tali was at the end of several missions. It was like the conclusion of a major act. The induction into spectre status took a lot of arguing with the council and Udina and Anderson.... You don't remember all that?

It felt a hell of a lot more meaningful than becoming inquisitor did anyhow.

 

 

It only felt long because of elevators, it's essentially the end of the prologue.

 

Look, you start this hysterical thread because you didn't read the article and didn't get by younger they meant greener. Now you seem to understand it, and blame the journalist for you not reading the article past the headline. And then you also claim BioWare is wrong because Shepard was a rookie in your eyes (and they think he was hero that became a legend). This is just being angry for no reason, and then finding new reasons to be angry for no reason.

[Onuris22]

It was fun earning Spectre status but Shepard was already one in spirit if not in name. The only reason he wasn't one already and they made him do all those hoops is because they didn't trust humans due to Saren screwing over Anderson.

[Addictress]

It was fun earning Spectre status but Shepard was already one in spirit if not in name. The only reason he wasn't one already and they made him do all those hoops is because they didn't trust humans due to Saren screwing over Anderson.

That is true. Still didn't feel like an automatic blessing. It was adversity.

[Onuris22]

That is true. Still didn't feel like an automatic blessing. It was adversity.

 

True, it was fun to go through especially given their hesitation and all that went down on Eden Prime, but it doesn't mean Shepherd isn't already an incredibly strong and dangerous character at that point since he wasn't some ordinary soldier...he was N7 which is like being a member of Delta Force, not being a basic grunt out of boot which Ryder technically isn't even that probably.