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[Seraphim24]

Haha. Fair enough. I never read the title. That tells you how little the content had in common with the title, in my opinion. The article itself makes no mention of age, and in no way made me even think of age, just experience.

We won't be playing the Lt Commander from Delta Force who has won two Silver Stars, this time. At best, we'll be playing an Army Ranger. She might be hella trained and capable, but she's not an already established, living legend.

 

Again that's what's fairly annoying here, like if you think about Joan of Arc she's like 18-20 but she started changing like the entire course of the war she was in and the impact was just sort of instantaneous there's no "journey" no "extended process" blah blah. (Outside of her just getting crazy visions)

 

Also consider she was female at a time of war when you were considered to be more valuable as a male probably due to strength in combat, but she had her impact all the same.

 

Age/gender whatever, some people are just destined for greatness and I've no interest in someone who isn't. There's no reason someone can't just become a living legend instantly.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Sure but young man has Flory days still ahead.

Unless he dies young.

The young man has hope and potential, but there's no guarantee that potential will be realized. For all we know, the young man will end up being a failure and a disappointment.

The old man has experience and a track record of success. I'd take the old man every time.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Again that's what's fairly annoying here, like if you think about Joan of Arc she's like 18-20 but she started changing like the entire course of the war she was in and the impact was just sort of instantaneous there's no "journey" no "extended process" blah blah. (Outside of her just getting crazy visions)

Also consider she was female at a time of war when you were considered to be more valuable as a male probably due to strength in combat, but she had her impact all the same.

Age/gender whatever, some people are just destined for greatness and I've no interest in someone who isn't.

I would rather the greatness arise from things I actually did, instead of simply being destined for it.

Destiny is an awful narrative device.

[aoibhealfae]

I'm sure there'll be different types of characters to romance, same as with the previous games. Even though it may have seemed otherwise, you didn't *have* to romance Liara The romance was a bit wonky though yeah.. but well it worked for a lot of people. I don't think they'd make every romance-character the same in that regard.

 

The romance is optional but does it stop her from making trophies from the things Shepard died in? Stop her from cyberstalking and spying on Shepard? Or respect boundaries and privacy of your current and former squadmate? Or does it stop her from making puppy eyes... especially from a century old woman who could wait for a couple of centuries until you die so she could romance your children or children's children to satisfy her unrequited love.. 

 

Either way, as long as the characters aren't all children I don't see the necessity to panic..

[Seraphim24]

I would rather the greatness arise from things I actually did, instead of simply being destined for it.

Destiny is an awful narrative device.

 

Well you misunderstand, I meant destined only as in they possessed the skill for it, I mean, she actually did it make no mistake.

[Giantdeathrobot]

I thought N7 was the highest rank of soldiers, not just any soldier. But I guess N 1-6 are just grades within the military academy, not military ranks.

 

I don't think N7 is a rank, more like a general ''these people are the most badass of all humans'' designation for those few skilled enough to attain it. 

 

So even a ''rookie'' N7 is already a trained soldier. Vega is the best example, he's good enough to join Shepard's squad and has several missions under his belt, but hasn't entered the N7 program yet. I imagine our PC will have about the age and experience of Vega, already trained but not as much of a hero as Shepard is before the game even starts.

[Shechinah]

I don't think N7 is a rank, more like a general ''these people are the most badass of all humans'' designation for those few skilled enough to attain it. 
 
So even a ''rookie'' N7 is already a trained soldier. Vega is the best example, he's good enough to join Shepard's squad and has several missions under his belt, but hasn't entered the N7 program yet. I imagine our PC will have about the age and experience of Vega, already trained but not as much of a hero as Shepard is before the game even starts.

 
I really, really hope our player character is not an N7 at the start of the game because considering the training, it'd be hard to buy that they are green or greener than Shepard and their squad since it is mentioned that trainees acquire combat experience in actual combat zones. There is also all the things that the training entails.
 
Here is what it says about the N7 training on the Wikipedia;
 
"Initially, candidates train for more than 20 hours per day, leading small combat teams through hostile terrain with little sleep or food. Trainees who do well are awarded an internal designation of N1 and are invited to return. Subsequent courses - N2 through N6 - are often held off-planet and include instruction in zero-G combat, military free-fall (parachuting), jetpack flight, combat diving, combat instruction, linguistics, and frontline trauma care for human and alien biology.

The highest grade of training, N6, provides actual combat experience in combat zones throughout the galaxy. If the trainee survives these scenarios in "admirable and effective fashion," he or she finally receives the coveted N7 designation. N7 is the only ICT designation that may be worn on field or dress uniforms."
 
It is true that successfully completing the ICT program do not elevate the graduate to a military rank. It's a designation that is applied to Alliance personnel who have graduated from ICT program;

"N7 is a vocational code in the Systems Alliance military. The "N" designates special forces and the "7" refers to the highest level of proficiency. It applies to Alliance personnel who have graduated from the Interplanetary Combatives Training (ICT) program."
 
"Although ICT qualification by itself does not guarantee higher rank, those officers who are able to complete the program are typically well suited to senior leadership positions."
 
Source: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/N7

[Element Zero]

I don't think N7 is a rank, more like a general ''these people are the most badass of all humans'' designation for those few skilled enough to attain it. 
 
So even a ''rookie'' N7 is already a trained soldier. Vega is the best example, he's good enough to join Shepard's squad and has several missions under his belt, but hasn't entered the N7 program yet. I imagine our PC will have about the age and experience of Vega, already trained but not as much of a hero as Shepard is before the game even starts.

Exactly so. The "N7" is an example of a Military Vocational Code. It could just as easily read D2 or M4. The letter designates a vocation, or career path, and the number designates your proficiency in your chosen vocation. You mentioned Vega, so we will use him as an example. We don't know what his MVC was prior to accepting the ICT invitation. Afterward, though, his new MVC will be N1.

I don't know Vega's exact age, but he joins the Alliance in 2176, so he's likely in his early 20s during ME3. He's very capable, and distinguishes humself enough to get invited to ICT. (I'm pretty positive our protag will get the Andromeda equivalent, at some point.) Vega does seem to be a pretty good comparison, in that ages and career path are likely to be similar.

[Element Zero]

I really, really hope our player character is not an N7 at the start of the game because considering the training, it'd be hard to buy that they are green or greener than Shepard and their squad since it is mentioned that trainees acquire combat experience in actual combat zones. There is also all the things that the training entails.

There is no way we begin the game with an N7 rating, since that completely defies the "green" description. I do think we will reach that level of achievement during the course of the game, but we aren't going to start that way. They've made that clear. We get to build this character's legend from the beginning, not take control of the living legend and finish his or her's greatest chapter.

[The Dystopian Hound]

Being old doesn't mean you're lacking in the ability to learn and acquire new skills.

You miss the point. Old man time has passed. Young person must move forward.

[Deadmac]

Uh? On what planet do you live on where people in their 20s are considered children?

United States. rofl... According to the Democrats, people stop being children at the age of 26. If you are 26 and younger, you can stay on your parent's healthcare. lol.... Its called pandering for votes.

 

http://www.polygon.c...preview-e3-2016

 

As someone who is 2 years from 30, please don't make me feel creepy hitting on 20-year-old teammates. Please.

 

Also I don't empathize with children.

 

  Feeling concern   

Unlike the BioWare games of yesterday, prior to 2008ish, the new direction is towards political activism. While "Mass Affect: Andromeda" does look interesting, I could not help notice that two feminists were used as models.

 

You see - men can no longer have manly things.

 

When it comes to real 'women', not feminist, they want their men to be, well, manly.

Feminists want to technically kill all things manly. I am not kidding.

 

Its a very serious problem.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

United States. rofl... According to the Democrats, people stop being children at the age of 26. If you are 26 and younger, you can stay on your parent's healthcare. lol....

To be fair, the human brain, particularly the prefrontal cortex, is not fully developed until around 25 according to most experts. 

[The Dystopian Hound]

United States. rofl... According to the Democrats, people stop being children at the age of 26. If you are 26 and younger, you can stay on your parent's healthcare. lol.... Its called pandering for votes.

I'm Democrat and I believe People stop being children when they stop acting like children.

[Cyonan]

You miss the point. Old man time has passed. Young person must move forward.

 

A man's time isn't past until he's dead.

[Giantdeathrobot]

 
I really, really hope our player character is not an N7 at the start of the game because considering the training, it'd be hard to buy that they are green or greener than Shepard and their squad since it is mentioned that trainees acquire combat experience in actual combat zones. There is also all the things that the training entails.
 
Here is what it says about the N7 training on the Wikipedia;
 
"Initially, candidates train for more than 20 hours per day, leading small combat teams through hostile terrain with little sleep or food. Trainees who do well are awarded an internal designation of N1 and are invited to return. Subsequent courses - N2 through N6 - are often held off-planet and include instruction in zero-G combat, military free-fall (parachuting), jetpack flight, combat diving, combat instruction, linguistics, and frontline trauma care for human and alien biology.

The highest grade of training, N6, provides actual combat experience in combat zones throughout the galaxy. If the trainee survives these scenarios in "admirable and effective fashion," he or she finally receives the coveted N7 designation. N7 is the only ICT designation that may be worn on field or dress uniforms."
 
It is true that successfully completing the ICT program do not elevate the graduate to a military rank. It's a designation that is applied to Alliance personnel who have graduated from ICT program;

"N7 is a vocational code in the Systems Alliance military. The "N" designates special forces and the "7" refers to the highest level of proficiency. It applies to Alliance personnel who have graduated from the Interplanetary Combatives Training (ICT) program."
 
"Although ICT qualification by itself does not guarantee higher rank, those officers who are able to complete the program are typically well suited to senior leadership positions."
 
Source: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/N7

 

I very much doubt we will start as N7. That would entirely defeat the purpose of playing as a younger, less experienced character, considering as you rightfully pointed out that N7 are the elite of the elite, chosen after grueling tests. I'm positive the N7 dude in promos is not out character, he may not even be an ally. Plus, since the actual N7 program probably isn't even alive in Andromeda anymore, we will never be.

[The Dystopian Hound]

A man's time isn't past until he's dead.

Exactly.

[Seraphim24]

United States. rofl... According to the Democrats, people stop being children at the age of 26. If you are 26 and younger, you can stay on your parent's healthcare. lol.... Its called pandering for votes.

 

Unlike the BioWare games of yesterday, prior to 2008ish, the new direction is towards political activism. While "Mass Affect: Andromeda" does look interesting, I could not help notice that two feminists were used as models.

 

You see - men can no longer have manly things.

 

When it comes to real 'women', not feminist, they want their men to be, well, manly.

Feminists want to technically kill all things manly. I am not kidding.

 

Its a very serious problem.

 

I think it's more a case of.. well Straykat does this better but like liberals that want to vindicate "roads less traveled" It's 2008-prior Bioware that was extremely feminist and such, modern is very hyper-patriarchical etc.

 

That's why you see Dragon Age Inquisition full of a wide variety of characters and stuff, MEA is just the plain old young female discovers herself blah blah the same thing you see in Hollywood all the time.

 

Might as well be Mass Effect: Breaking Dawn the Hunger Games Divergency

 

With careful targeting of the supposed MEA playerbase which wants "female in marketing" and "female protagonist" and "feminism" (by dropping it at the end of the trailer, having a feminist be the model, w/e) but which is really carefully implanted members of said established patriarchal structures arbitrarily manufacturing a consensus in place of fan's opinions in order to create the illusion of placating them.

 

Anyway, it's all very dumb.

[Element Zero]

To be fair, the human brain, particularly the prefrontal cortex, is not fully developed until around 25 according to most experts.

And this is why you don't see 20 yo commanding warships. No one said 20 was a child [Edit: until the guy who posted right behind me], but people this age generally lack the experience and perspective, along with the biology we're now confirming, to handle such assignments.

This isn't new thinking. It's just ruffling some young persons' feathers here, apparently. It's always easier to grow into an assignment. They don't make you CEO on day one, regardless of your inherent brilliance. You learn to handle responsibilities and gain wisdom through experience. Then, when the time comes, you're inherent skill will combine with that experience to make you truly exceptional. Now, switch the illustration from the boardroom to the battlefield where it's lives instead of dollars at stake.

There are always exceptional individuals who rise faster, but 20 yo do not command warships. That's all that was said. Fortunately, I doubt that will be an issue. The protagonist is likely a few years older than that, and will assume command under special circumstances justified within the story. We'll all be able to play contentedly.

[Suron]

http://www.polygon.c...preview-e3-2016

 

As someone who is 2 years from 30, please don't make me feel creepy hitting on 20-year-old teammates. Please.

 

Also I don't empathize with children.

 

  Feeling concern   

you're 28.  Sorry but you're BARELY above a child yourself.  And you're complaining about a cast that is probably within 5-8 years of you at the worst? lmao....wow

 

If you were in your mid to late 40's or more...you may have a case.  Regardless, maybe you should age and mature a bit more yourself before complaining about 20ish (if they're even that young, which we don't know), while still in your 20s, being "too young" for you, kid.

[Element Zero]

Might as well be Mass Effect: Breaking Dawn the Hunger Games Divergency.

Haha. Let's hope not. Yikes, what a game that would be.

[Deadmac]

To be fair, the human brain, particularly the prefrontal cortex, is not fully developed until around 25 according to most experts. 

 

Incorrect. According to psychologists and doctors, the human brain is fully developed by the age of 23.

 

Around the age of 25, young adults go through a small life crises.

[Seraphim24]

Haha. Let's hope not. Yikes, what a game that would be.

 

That's totally what it looks like though to be honest haha.

[The Elder King]

I think it's more a case of.. well Straykat does this better but like liberals that want to vindicate "roads less traveled" It's 2008-prior Bioware that was extremely feminist and such, modern is very hyper-patriarchical etc.

 

That's why you see Dragon Age Inquisition full of a wide variety of characters and stuff, MEA is just the plain old young female discovers herself blah blah the same thing you see in Hollywood all the time.

 

Might as well be Mass Effect: Breaking Dawn the Hunger Games Divergency

 

With careful targeting of the supposed MEA playerbase which wants "female in marketing" and "female protagonist" and "feminism" (by dropping it at the end of the trailer, having a feminist be the model, w/e) but which is really carefully implanted members of said established patriarchal structures arbitrarily manufacturing a consensus in place of fan's opinions in order to create the illusion of placating them.

 

Anyway, it's all very dumb.

You do realize the male and female protagonist will have the same role, so what you say for the female Ryder will be the same for the male one? So male Ryder will be 'a young male discovering himself, blah blah blah?'

[Deadmac]

I think it's more a case of.. well Straykat does this better but like liberals that want to vindicate "roads less traveled" It's 2008-prior Bioware that was extremely feminist and such, modern is very hyper-patriarchical etc.

 

That's why you see Dragon Age Inquisition full of a wide variety of characters and stuff, MEA is just the plain old young female discovers herself blah blah the same thing you see in Hollywood all the time.

 

Might as well be Mass Effect: Breaking Dawn the Hunger Games Divergency

 

With careful targeting of the supposed MEA playerbase which wants "female in marketing" and "female protagonist" and "feminism" (by dropping it at the end of the trailer, having a feminist be the model, w/e) but which is really carefully implanted members of said established patriarchal structures arbitrarily manufacturing a consensus in place of fan's opinions in order to create the illusion of placating them.

 

Anyway, it's all very dumb.

Edit: I just reread your post. lol...

[The Elder King]

That's totally what it looks like though to be honest haha.

For a single phrase, said in a possible suboptimal mental and physical state. Great logic.