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No.

"It is true that successfully completing the ICT program do not elevate the graduate to a military rank. It's a designation that is applied to Alliance personnel who have graduated from ICT program"

 

So it means that... even though you survived and did well in the real-life combat situations that were a part of N6, when you become N7, you might still be a Private or at most a Lieutenant. Not a Major or anything.
 



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That's just judging the hundreds of people working at BioWare based on the half a dozen or so of them that actually make public statements. In this case, there's only two people I can even think of making public statements because there's just been so little information about the game.

 

Brojo used to post on the ME3 MP boards all the time and played quite a bit. As far as I know he's still at BioWare since he still posts on these boards on the odd occasion.

 

The fact that there are hundreds of people makes me even more skeptical.

 

Anyway I'm just saying you should be able to tell Tails from Sonic to be at Bioware lol. Instead it's more like the opposite, "Oh are you this prudish conservative boring typical A list Hollywood personality! Step right up! The Sonic thing is just dumb and stupid anyway we're making them mature and progressive, stupid gamers!"



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I hate to say it Cyo-san because you are clearly a passionate Bioware fan but the point of Bioware at this point isn't to entertain it's to torture those fans because the patriarchy said so (or rather the erratic deranged GF of the patriarchy), as punishment for being "different."



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It's laughable at best to claim that they "don't have any game developers" or even that a normal programmer lacks the skills.

 

 

That seems likely but then I have to wonder why even bother having a showing at EA Play?

 

Of course the entire EA press conference felt that way. It wasn't just limited to ME:A. It seems like EA in general would rather talk about how awesome their games are rather than show us and let game footage speak for itself.

 

Be like me and stop feeding the inane troll that has zero gripe on reality or common sense, it's probably best for everyone's sanity. =D

 

They probably showed it at EA play so that people didn't freak when they didn't see it and to generate a little bit of buzz. I know I hadn't really given it any thought since the last trailer hit and I hadn't even been around the forums until this new trailer, so it's probably to help get/keep people interesting untill the info dumps into the fall, like they're saying. Hell, may not even be their overall decision if EA's telling them to keep it under wraps more like the rest of their marketing plan.

 

We did see gameplay from Battlefield 1, but it's also closer to release than ME:A. Could be EA or Bioware is afraid of too much backlash until the project is a bit too far in to really change but from what little we've seen so far, it looks good to me.



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"It is true that successfully completing the ICT program do not elevate the graduate to a military rank. It's a designation that is applied to Alliance personnel who have graduated from ICT program"

 

So it means that... even though you survived and did well in the real-life combat situations that were a part of N6, when you become N7, you might still be a Private or at most a Lieutenant. Not a Major or anything.
 

 

My impression is that you are more likely to be promoted or selected for certain things since you've already demonstrated the necessary qualifications during the ICT program.
 


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No.

Like, look at the Wikipedia US Navy rankings (I presume spaceship stuff always kind of adopts Navy-esque structure because... ships in space have always been akin to ships in water in fiction):

 

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LOL nevermind, Ensign is the lowest one. I was reading it upside down



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"It is true that successfully completing the ICT program do not elevate the graduate to a military rank. It's a designation that is applied to Alliance personnel who have graduated from ICT program"

So it means that... even though you survived and did well in the real-life combat situations that were a part of N6, when you become N7, you might still be a Private or at most a Lieutenant. Not a Major or anything.

Most attain high ranks anyway. Forgot that part.

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I hate to say it Cyo-san because you are clearly a passionate Bioware fan but the point of Bioware at this point isn't to entertain it's to torture those fans because the patriarchy said so (or rather the erratic deranged GF of the patriarchy), as punishment for being "different."

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Where do you get that? 


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#459
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That's just kefka being kefka.


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Like, look at the Wikipedia US Navy rankings (I presume spaceship stuff always kind of adopts Navy-esque structure because... ships in space have always been akin to ships in water in fiction):

 

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LOL nevermind, Ensign is the lowest one. I was reading it upside down

I was going to say, Next up from Captain is admiral Commander is high enough rank to 'Captain' a ship such as a destroyer or a frigate. The larger ships require a full captain (Same as Air Force and Army colonel rank).



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I was going to say, Next up from Captain is admiral Commander is high enough rank to 'Captain' a ship such as a destroyer or a frigate. The larger ships require a full captain (Same as Air Force and Army colonel rank).

Rank structure in ME is different from Modern day. Check wiki.

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I was going to say, Next up from Captain is admiral Commander is high enough rank to 'Captain' a ship such as a destroyer or a frigate. The larger ships require a full captain (Same as Air Force and Army colonel rank).

 

Should be noted that Submarines can be captained by a Commander just as Shepherd captained the Normandy, even though it isn't a submarine it isn't a horrible comparison given the nature of the vessels. And that's just going off today's standards, they can do whatever they like in ME, really.



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So that's why I was confused.... if you're N7... you basically just graduated West Point, but you might still be considered a rookie in the actual military?

Not exactly.

West Point is an officers training academy. Young people enter West Point for a career in the military just the same as one enters university. US students graduate as commissioned officers in the US Army, if I remember correctly.

Interplanetary Combatives Training is based upon the US Navy SEALS BUD/S training, and similar such elite courses around the world. Anyone invited to ICT is a proven combat veteran who is now being invited to join the best of the best. (Remember Shep's talk with Vega about James' invitation?) If one completes the first stage of ICT, they gain the military vocational code N1. This means this person is a serious badass and they'd be universally respected among Alliance personnel. (Even getting invited to ICT is badass and worthy of respect.)

Progressing up the levels of proficiency, from N1 to N2 and so on, is simply a matter of completely progressively more demanding ICT training. An N7 has achieved the peak proficiency and is the ultimate badass in the Alliance military. Shepard was this ultimate badass from the opening of ME. That's why he was about to become a Spectre.
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Should be noted that Submarines can be captained by a Commander just as Shepherd captained the Normandy, even though it isn't a submarine it isn't a horrible comparison given the nature of the vessels.

Yeah, the Normandy was pretty much a space attack submarine. The SR1 is even the same size as one if I recall correctly.


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Where do you get that? 

 

The fact that the game is taking like 5 years to come out, is a reboot, uhh lots of reasons.

 

It really shouldn't be that hard to be like "Hey heres our game take a look at it!" You know? Like there's really been barely anything. Plus I just noticed the ME games were increasingly conventional and mainstream in many elements, so it's already heading in that direction anyway.



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The fact that the game is taking like 5 years to come out, is a reboot, uhh lots of reasons.

It's taking 5 years because they had to start from scratch since they are using a new engine. 



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It's taking 5 years because they had to start from scratch since they are using a new engine. 

 

It should be easier because they are using Frosbite and an in existing engine. Bioware used to build an engine and use it for a new game in half the time it's taking them to use an existing engine to make a new game.



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Rank structure in ME is different from Modern day. Check wiki.

I am aware of that, I was merely pointing out the military ranking for Navy/Coast Guard officers.

 

I think that BioWare simply made minor errors on their ranking system in Mass Effect as the ranking structure is a little off when compared to US, UK, and Canadian ranking systems.

 

And yes a commander is considered the captain of a boat (submarine) as well: Most of it is based on vessel displacement and overall size on what rank is required for command.



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Not exactly.

West Point is an officers training academy. Young people enter West Point for a career in the military just the same as one enters university. US students graduate as commissioned officers in the US Army, if I remember correctly.

Interplanetary Combatives Training is based upon the US Navy SEALS BUD/S training, and similar such elite courses around the world. Anyone invited to ICT is a proven combat veteran who is now being invited to join the best of the best. (Remember Shep's talk with Vega about James' invitation?) If one completes the first stage of ICT, they gain the military vocational code N1. This means this person is a serious badass and they'd be universally respected among Alliance personnel. (Even getting invited to ICT is badass and worthy of respect.)

Progressing up the levels of proficiency, from N1 to N2 and so on, is simply a matter of completely progressively more demanding ICT training. An N7 has achieved the peak proficiency and is the ultimate badass in the Alliance military. Shepard was this ultimate badass from the opening of ME. That's why he was about to become a Spectre.

 

Basically this. Shepherd was the badass of badasses which is why he was where he was and he commanded instant respect from any Alliance character he ran across, even the ones who outranked him respected him. While he held the rank of commander, his abilities would be the same regardless of his rank.



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Yeah, the Normandy was pretty much a space submarine. The SR1 is even the same size as one if I recall correctly.


Not really relevant, but Tempest gives me serious submarine vibes. She looks like some exotic sea creature blended with an SR71 Blackbird.
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The fact that there are hundreds of people makes me even more skeptical.

 

Anyway I'm just saying you should be able to tell Tails from Sonic to be at Bioware lol. Instead it's more like the opposite, "Oh are you this prudish conservative boring typical A list Hollywood personality! Step right up! The Sonic thing is just dumb and stupid anyway we're making them mature and progressive, stupid gamers!"

 

Having hundreds of people is just normal for a AAA development studio. They're all bound to have a lot of people.

 

I don't even fully know if "hundreds of people" is exactly correct, but they do have a lot of people working on each game.

 

I hate to say it Cyo-san because you are clearly a passionate Bioware fan but the point of Bioware at this point isn't to entertain it's to torture those fans because the patriarchy said so (or rather the erratic deranged GF of the patriarchy), as punishment for being "different."

 

BioWare has plenty of things I can criticize them for, though as a developer myself(one who has also worked in game engines before) I do like to clarify certain things.

 

I obviously don't know the environment at BioWare, but I know general development principles.



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Not really relevant, but Tempest gives me serious submarine vibes. She looks like some exotic sea creature blended with an SR71 Blackbird.

Don't ruin the SR71 Blackbird for me by comparing it to the Tempest. 



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That was a very long way of saying you got owned playing games a long time ago.

 

Heck Patrick Weekes outright stated he could not beat KOTOR, the simple fact is that if you took the creme de la creme of the fans on this board here and put them into game design roles the product would be 4x superior to what "EA/Bioware" has in mind. If I had the authority I'd do that in a heartbeat and send all these game devs to the wayside.

 

At any rate, Bioware was an indy project or "less successful" company, their first project they literally just hired a whole bunch of people who had never made a game before and who drew robots on napkains. So the reason they got where they are now is because of what they did then, so you are.

 

Wrong.

 

Ah, sure, that's how game development works. Why don't you actually do it if that's so easy.



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Don't ruin the SR71 Blackbird for me by comparing it to the Tempest.


Haha. My sincerest apologies. ;)
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Don't ruin the SR71 Blackbird for me by comparing it to the Tempest.

You are truly a remarkable person.