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[Onuris22]

Personally I think my irritating with like the girl in the trailer is she just has all the deer in the headlights kind of oh I'm so naieve blergh that stuff is boring.

 

It would be nice to have younger but like super confident and stuff for once.

 

More like "Holy crap I just awoke from cryo sleep wtf is going on, are we dead? Anyone else awake? Where are we?" I mean, she did just probably sleep for over 400 years.

 

So...she's a deer in headlights cause almost anyone would be in that kind of situation. We don't even know if there's a cryo sickness or disorientation. Not even sure what's going on around her either, other than she doesn't seem to be in danger...but that could not be true.

[The Sheep]

@Sheep. Well, they kinda did that with DA:I.

Josie was about 27-29 years old
Blackwall is in his mid-to-late 40s.
Solas is...well, Solas. Probably doesn't count.
Cassandra is between 38-40
Cullen is 40
I think that Iron Bull was in his mid-to-late 30s
Sera was the youngest, about 19 years old or so.
Cole's age is...whatever, he's a kid. I think his physical age is about 20.
Varric is 40. (Stated in the wiki)
Leliana is about 38-40.
Dorian is 29.
I just looked up Vivienne's age. She's 43.

So I'd say that 7 (8 counting Solas) of that list of 12 is at least right around 40 years old or older. That's out of rest of the remaining party members and advisors.. Most of them do look younger than the stated ages, but that's about how old all of them are.

 

I thought David Gaider said he envisioned Dorian to be mid to late 30s? 

 

Regardless , most of the LIs are under 40. I can even argue they look like they're in their 20s, save for Blackwall.

 

Either way, I'm really not sure why older fans complain a lot about representation. I saw a similar thread start in the Overwatch forums and at what point do you sit back and realize who the game your playing is made for. "Everyone" is typically the answer, but at the end of the day, that's not very good marketing. 

[Seraphim24]

More like "Holy crap I just awoke from cryo sleep wtf is going on, are we dead? Anyone else awake? Where are we?" I mean, she did just probably sleep for over 400 years.

 

So...she's a deer in headlights cause almost anyone would be in that kind of situation. We don't even know if there's a cryo sickness or disorientation. Not even sure what's going on around her either, other than she doesn't seem to be in danger...but that could not be true.

 

Meh, I don't know why a super extreme situation has to necessarily predicate a change behavior. I personally have been known in states of like natural disasters/fires and stuff I will treat it just like a typical Monday. Who can say what 200 years of cryo sleep is like but in all odds it's like surgery unconscious you just one day are alert and so it wouldn't be like "oh we made it" or whatever.

 

But yes you can tell she has low self-esteem and lack of confidence from that image and that's a turn off no matter the age of the person.

 

If it were a romance situation or something I'd see a femshep (despite being literally older) like character as more appealing due to kind of having a stronger persona, natural emotional intelligence and actual intelligence and stuff like that, constitution is a factor no question but it's all taken in the pot.

[jtav]

My only concerned is the possibility of forced immaturity. Some of the DAO and DAI origins implied a troublemaker/rebellious personality and that's not my thing.

[guigaccess]

Even though I prefer an older crew, as long as I don't have to play as a teenager I don't think I will feel awkward (I'm 30, btw). Still, I prefer older characters because young character usually call for the same kind of "finding yourself" cliché that has been used over and over and over again.

 

On the other hand, in my mind my Ryder somehow already felt like a "Shepard in the making", so she being younger fits what I already somehow had in mind.

[Eelectrica]

Actually the characters will be hundreds of years old. It's just cryo sleep preserved their youth... or something.

if one sleeps through ones birthday does that mean they didn't age? I should try that.

[Seraphim24]

Even though I prefer an older crew, as long as I don't have to play as a teenager I don't think I will feel awkward (I'm 30, btw). Still, I prefer older characters because young character usually call for the same kind of "finding yourself" cliché that has been used over and over and over again.

 

On the other hand, in my mind my Ryder somehow already felt like a "Shepard in the making", so she being younger fits what I already somehow had in mind.

 

Yeah that "finding yourself" cliche is annoying. What could of happened is to make the character younger or something but like not "finding yourself."

 

Because seriously you don't need to be old to understand the world.

 

And being old doesn't guarantee being able to understand it.

 

While you might want to send the cast of Twilight because "oh we need them to be fertile in X years" versus the remainder of the Normandy crew after ME... well... if they get butchered by the first alien monster they see because they aren't skilled at combat then there goes your fertility plan.

[Grieving Natashina]

Either way, I'm really not sure why older fans complain a lot about representation. I saw a similar thread start in the Overwatch forums and at what point do you sit back and realize who the game your playing is made for. "Everyone" is typically the answer, but at the end of the day, that's not very good marketing.

Some older fans are complaining. Many of them are like me and aren't seeing the big deal about it. I'm more curious about their personalities than any age BioWare states that they are. As far as Dorian goes, I wasn't entirely sure.

@Artemis: Yep, you're right. My bad.

[Seraphim24]

Anyway though that's me I remember being like 16 and I hated Disgaea because it had all these stupid annoying kid characters, or like Vaan in FF12 was so annoying Basch was so much better.

 

Age matters but genetics and genetic superiority are super important as well.

[Onuris22]

But yes you can tell she has low self-esteem and lack of confidence from that image and that's a turn off no matter the age of the person.

 

I don't really see that at all, but I guess that's why people interpret things differently. People also handle stress or varied situations differently. Me? I'd probably half fall off the slab she was sleeping on before I woke up and would be stumbling around the room even if it was on fire with my eyes half closed.

[Seraphim24]

I don't really see that at all, but I guess that's why people interpret things differently. People also handle stress or varied situations differently. Me? I'd probably half fall off the slab she was sleeping on before I woke up and would be stumbling around the room even if it was on fire with my eyes half closed.

 

I don't know mister that was about as clear a case of the un-self confident slowly discovers themselves (often with the aid of a domineering male protag) constantly fragile archetype that as seen everywhere in a tiny nutshell.

 

Which I mean yeah was basically Kirsten Stewart in Twilight.

 

Anyway, my guess is that might be a problem for people not so much other factors.

[The Elder King]

Meh, I don't know why a super extreme situation has to necessarily predicate a change behavior. I personally have been known in states of like natural disasters/fires and stuff I will treat it just like a typical Monday. Who can say what 200 years of cryo sleep is like but in all odds it's like surgery unconscious you just one day are alert and so it wouldn't be like "oh we made it" or whatever.

 

But yes you can tell she has low self-esteem and lack of confidence from that image and that's a turn off no matter the age of the person.

 

If it were a romance situation or something I'd see a femshep (despite being literally older) like character as more appealing due to kind of having a stronger persona, natural emotional intelligence and actual intelligence and stuff like that, constitution is a factor no question but it's all taken in the pot.

There are people who are more calm during natural disasters or particular situations, yes. This situation is different though.

We don't know how cryo sleep works in ME. For all we know, the body and mind might need time to regain all his/her faculties, so she might've been in a non-optimal physical and mental condition. Judging her for that scene is really premature.

[Nayawk]

Don't you think they already have breeding machines and an arsenal of egg cells on board? 

 

Its an arc ship and the most logical choice would be to transport and produce future generations easy and effectively the artificial way. The purpose of the crew would be to clear the way, set up a new home and educate the children.

 

In a mission of this magnitude and importance nobody with a sane mind would rely on natural breeding to populate an unknown place in space to guarantee the survival of the human species. 

 

I agree there would be a cache of eggs to ensure population survival as well as genetic diversity. But unless you are talking about vat grown humans (which is awesome and I don't mind if they go that route), you still need bodies to bring those eggs to term and you are again better off with a younger age group to do that. 

[CuriousArtemis]

@Artemis: Yep, you're right. My bad.

 

Well what good is being a bloody Cullenite if I don't know obscure facts about the guy off the top of my head

[The Elder King]

I don't know mister that was about as clear a case of the un-self confident slowly discovers themselves (often with the aid of a domineering male protag) constantly fragile archetype that as seen everywhere in a tiny nutshell.

 

Which I mean yeah was basically Kirsten Stewart in Twilight.

 

Anyway, my guess is that might be a problem for people not so much other factors.

It's clear only if you thing your assumptions on cryo sleep are the same as Bioware's, which we have no clue on.

[Who Knows]

Watch as you can make an old looking protag, but at some point an NPC will call you a kid. I always found that strange.

[Han Shot First]

You know to take this idea further, why not like, 18-20 year old characters instead of 20-25 even?

I guess because of the rigors of military combat or something? Is the physical body not strong enough then or something?

A lot of the privates would be in that age range or close to it. I left for basic training about a month and a half after my 18th birthday, and while there were some recruits who were older ( even a couple in their 30s), the majority were not long out of high school. I was 20 or 21 when I made Corporal, which is the first NCO (manager, roughly in civilian speak) rank. That was also fairly typical, with most Corporals or Sergeants being early to mid twenties. To give an idea of how young most people are, we had a guy in my platoon whose nickname was Old Man. He was maybe 32 years old when he was a Corporal.

Young adults in a fictional military organization aren't unrealistic...they should be common! The key though is that they're all people who've been in the military for four years or less, and so aren't in very senior positions. It takes a lot of time and experience to climb the organizational ladder, just like the corporate hierarchy in a typical civilian office. The most senior role that young enlisted personnel might be in would be fire team or squad / section leader (Corporals and Sergeants) and young officers (Lieutenants) commanding platoons.

An enlisted person may reach Corporal by the end of four year term of enlistment, and maybe (rare!) Sergeant. Gunnery Sergeant, which is the equivalent of ME's Gunnery Chief, is going to be out of range until probably the third term (8+ years in). Officers may reach Captain (ME's Staff Lieutenant I believe) by the end of four years in, but Major (ME's LCDR) is closer to 10.

Tl;dr: A young adult character is plausible if they're junior enlisted or a lieutenant not long from college and officer candidate school, but not as the ship's commanding officer or the platoon sergeant. Those two roles should be filled by more senior officers and NCOs, who in order to be plausible, probably should have been in the service for several years. Late 20s or 30s are better age ranges for characters with those roles as their background.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Too bad. I'm '95. Actually 21 as of today.

Yay me too. Er. My birthday is today. I'm actually 27 years old -throws confetti?-

Happy birthday , Birthday Twin

[Grieving Natashina]

Well what good is being a bloody Cullenite if I don't know obscure facts about the guy off the top of my head

Good point.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Well what good is being a bloody Cullenite if I don't know obscure facts about the guy off the top of my head

There are a few posters I can recognize and trust with Cullen facts... Artemis is one of them. With how often I saw you in Cullen thread... Haha!

-stamp of approval-

[goishen]

There are people who are more calm during natural disasters or particular situations, yes. This situation is different though.

We don't know how cryo sleep works in ME. For all we know, the body and mind might need time to regain all his/her faculties, so she might've been in a non-optimal physical and mental condition. Judging her for that scene is really premature.

 

 

My theory is that she got knocked out, or fell asleep because she just woke up out of cryo, and had to get the ship outta there.   I dunno what it was, but something bad. 

 

My reasoning for this is look around her?   She's not in a pod, she's not covered with anything.  Do you honestly think they're gonna let somebody go for so many hundreds of years like that? 

[CuriousArtemis]

There are a few posters I can recognize and trust with Cullen facts... Artemis is one of them. With how often I saw you in Cullen thread... Haha!

-stamp of approval-

 

Just don't ask me about his romance... I couldn't finish it, even with a mod! Soooo boooring.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Just don't ask me about his romance... I couldn't finish it, even with a mod! Soooo boooring.

Haha sorry to hear that, but I totally routed for you guys getting bi Cullen.

I remember you saying you love Solas though, wish he would have been bi for you but glad there's one romance you enjoy!


Back on point, though.... I'd be okay with a younger cast. Is the immersion a problem for othera? (I'm in the middle of catch up with this thread)

[The Elder King]

My theory is that she got knocked out, or fell asleep because she just woke up out of cryo, and had to get the ship outta there.   I dunno what it was, but something bad. 

 

My reasoning for this is look around her?   She's not in a pod, she's not covered with anything.  Do you honestly think they're gonna let somebody go for so many hundreds of years like that? 

It's possible, but I recall that when she woke up, I hear some mechanical sounds, as if she was released from something.

[Grieving Natashina]

Haha sorry to hear that, but I totally routed for you guys getting bi Cullen.
I remember you saying you love Solas though, wish he would have been bi for you but glad there's one romance you enjoy!
Back on point, though.... I'd be okay with a younger cast. Is the immersion a problem for othera? (I'm in the middle of catch up with this thread)

For some, yeah. There is a few posters that don't feel comfortable with the cast being younger. As long it's not JRPG levels, I'm fine with it. One JPRG I played the entire party was 8 years old (FF III.) Another had a 6 year old that had the strongest strength stat in the entire game (one of the less weirder aspects of Chrono Cross.) Now that would be too much for me.