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[Onuris22]

I think it reflects a peculiar fear of younger people that older people often have, so they go "Oh well you can't do anything substantial until your 18" If they aren't in the labor force or whatever they don't have to worry about you kind of thing.

 

Whatever the purpose of education is, it's definitely not education.

 

Partly it's also so they have at least some reasoning and logic to back their decisions as well as some life experience. You start really gaining some actually autonomy around 14-16 (mostly, different people mature faster,) so it just seems like it was decided and we've just never changed it. It also works with how we handle schooling, so there's that.

 

Could someone be a military asset at a younger age than 18? Yea, probably, but the younger you go, and it isn't purely a physical issue it's also a mental and moral problem. Morals for the kids, not the fact that child soldiers is morally wrong in and of itself. Not many kids of a younger age than 18 would be able to handle the discipline and work ethic, for one, and many aren't emotionally ready for the process.

 

 

 

"There's Drak the Krogan, Cora a blonde human female biotic, probably some salarian, an Asari(probably the one we saw, there is most likely going to be a turian(not confirmed but it makes sense), and mystery member(rumor has it that it's a male synthetic, again not confirmed but I have little doubt in the leaks at this point). That's seven."

 

Where did the names come from? And the blond, or did I miss something in the trailer?

 

 

As for the end of the trailer, seems like her pod was laid in the center of the room and she's finishing the waking up process, more pods line the walls above her on both sides. Though, it kind of begs the question if she was the first one to be woken up....and if so why is she so important unless it was random? Wouldn't think it would be random, you would think the awakening order would have a purpose like those with medical training or engineering.

[Element Zero]

Where did the names come from? And the blond, or did I miss something in the trailer?

They came from a long ago leaked survey that has largely proven to be true, to this point.

[Grieving Natashina]

It was part of a leak from last year.

[Al Foley]

This is the best news I've heard on this game yet.  Shepard was too much of a complete package.  We were essentially handed the keys to the Galaxy because of our bad ass experiences right from the word go.  Instead we get to forge our bad ass experiences from the very beginning.  We get to experience a Shepard like story before our hero was even Shepard.  Watching them grow, and having a hand in making them grow in the process.  This could be nothing but good news.  

[Seraphim24]

Partly it's also so they have at least some reasoning and logic to back their decisions as well as some life experience. You start really gaining some actually autonomy around 14-16 (mostly, different people mature faster,) so it just seems like it was decided and we've just never changed it. It also works with how we handle schooling, so there's that.

 

Could someone be a military asset at a younger age than 18? Yea, probably, but the younger you go, and it isn't purely a physical issue it's also a mental and moral problem. Morals for the kids, not the fact that child soldiers is morally wrong in and of itself. Not many kids of a younger age than 18 would be able to handle the discipline and work ethic, for one, and many aren't emotionally ready for the process

 

 

I see it as a mental and moral problem the older you get, to be honest. I think older people project those fragilities onto younger people.

 

At any rate, regardless of the different rates for differing people, the US makes no exceptions and employs a blanket policy. Even dropping out has several requirements including being a set age and other things.

 

Consequently they constrain and are otherwise bungling people in that category and such, but I mean that's just one on a long list of things that the US is incompetent and bad at so anyway they have a lot on their plate.

[Star fury]

Teammates must be at least 18 years old or for females at least 16 years so they could be romanced.

[Onuris22]

I see it as a mental and moral problem the older you get, to be honest. I think older people project those fragilities onto younger people.

 

But say you give a 13 year old a gun and ask him to kill someone. You can't tell me someone of that age is going to fully understand the mental and emotional impact it will have. Some might deal with it, most will not. Hell, a lot of adults don't. There's no shame in it, but it's dumb to push people into it before they're better able to understand.

 

We try to protect children the best we can from the horrors of life in a real sense, shouldn't sugar coat things as they get older, but we also don't rush them into situations like that to screw them up. If you think older people project those fragilities then I'm damn glad you're not the one in charge of these decisions.

[The Dystopian Hound]

Teammates must be at least 18 years old or for females at least 16 years so theu could be romanced.

what?

[Seraphim24]

Teammates must be at least 18 years old or for females at least 16 years so theu could be romanced.

 

I wouldn't mind just throwing romance out the window, then you could have 14-15 year old characters no problem.

 

I'm not exactly sure why it's a need for Bioware or their fans or whatever to have romance in the game to begin with, to be honest.

[Seraphim24]

But say you give a 13 year old a gun and ask him to kill someone. You can't tell me someone of that age is going to fully understand the mental and emotional impact it will have.

 

We try to protect children the best we can from the horrors of life in a real sense, shouldn't sugar coat things as they get older, but we also don't rush them into situations like that to screw them up. If you think older people project those fragilities then I'm damn glad you're not the one in charge of these decisions.

 

I think they understand much better than someone ten years older yes. It's older people that have all the problems, guaranteed.

 

Anyway, I'm well aware I'm not in charge of the decisions, people like you are, and I'm like 99% sure you guys are wrong, have always been wrong, will always be wrong, and are just not good at understanding these things and cause problems because of it, and other things, but you know whatever, I guess, it doesn't matter.

 

You can look no further than our leaders and current state of the US to know our country is incompetent and full of bumbling emotionally incompetent ninnies but sorry we're getting OT, and proof that they're all idiots, but my point was simply that this discussion on youth and the military and whatever else is peculiarly cultural as well, some people view a soldier as anyone with a gun some say otherwise.

[goishen]

I think they understand much better than someone ten years older yes. It's older people that have all the problems, guaranteed.

 

 

You do know that older people were once your age, correct?

[Onuris22]

Teammates must be at least 18 years old or for females at least 16 years so they could be romanced.

 

Don't even know where to begin to explain what is wrong with this if you can't see it yourself.

 

I wouldn't mind just throwing romance out the window, then you could have 14-15 year old characters no problem.

 

I'm not exactly sure why it's a need for Bioware or their fans or whatever to have romance in the game to begin with, to be honest.

 

You can still have younger characters, but current societal norms and laws (in the US,) say they have to be 18 for romance. Also, if you don't want the romance just don't do it, some people enjoy it as part of the story and so they can feel closer to their characters.

 

I think they understand much better than someone ten years older yes. It's older people that have all the problems, guaranteed.

 

Anyway, I'm well aware I'm not in charge of the decisions, people like you are, and I'm like 99% sure you guys are wrong, have always been wrong, will always be wrong, and are just not good at understanding these things and cause problems because of it, and other things, but you know whatever, I guess, it doesn't matter.

 

That's moronic, to say the least. Not everyone is going to have problems but the risks of mental/emotional/social issues to exposing young kids to violence and killing (and not games, them actually committing the violence/killing, in the context of the military) raise exponentially the younger you go because they don't have as developed a sense of right and wrong, or as good a grip on the realities of life. But hey, let's throw caution and science to the wind because man, those guys who are 22+ are dumb and these problems totally don't exist. Because, you know, we haven't lived our lives to this point to have the hindsight on these things or shared experiences.

[TBSN]

young,but i think its doesn't means its not fun to play.

[tracesaint]

I too am getting dangerously close to the 30 mark. By the time Andromeda hits shelves I'll be only a couple of months away. I'm a little frightened of that 3 and that 0. Having said that the characters might be young in age, but I'm sure in experience as well. Also, 30!

[Seraphim24]

Don't even know where to begin to explain what is wrong with this if you can't see it yourself.

 

 

You can still have younger characters, but current societal norms and laws (in the US,) say they have to be 18 for romance. Also, if you don't want the romance just don't do it, some people enjoy it as part of the story and so they can feel closer to their characters.

 

 

That's moronic, to say the least. Not everyone is going to have problems but the risks of mental/emotional/social issues to exposing young kids to violence and killing (and not games, them actually committing the violence/killing,) raise exponentially the younger you go because they don't have as developed a sense of right and wrong, or as good a grip on the realities of life. But hey, let's throw caution and science to the wind because man, those guys who are 22+ are dumb and these problems totally don't exist.

 

Lol if you don't want to expose young kids to violence and killing then take them out of the savage neverending crap that is the American school system, nothing but one upsmanship and crapping on everyone else to keep you going.. we breed Mongols in Mongol training camps, but hey lets not expose them to history for their own understanding.

 

Actually that was an insult to Mongols, Genghis Khan is infinitely more compassionate than your typical American HS teacher.

 

Anyway it's pretty obvious to anyone from the US that a lot of people and institutionally they enforce the notion that everyone is hyper-servilve/submissive/dependent and slow learners to say the least (or even non-learners) but they don't seem to get that that's their thing and project onto other people is my only point. And they force anyone that might exceed that into the same system because they're idiots, pure and simple.

 

it's also kind of dumb because the US military hasn't even really been in any wars to say they've won or vindicate any of their supposedly brilliant "strategies." WW2 was their highest involvement but they essentially lost Vietnam and whatever to people with sticks and stones their "hardcore strategy" that people need to do this at this age or aren't fit for combat at that age doesn't mean much in my book. I mean, Russia was kind of the determining element of that conflict anyway.

[goishen]

I too am getting dangerously close to the 30 mark. By the time Andromeda hits shelves I'll be only a couple of months away. I'm a little frightened of that 3 and that 0. Having said that the characters might be young in age, but I'm sure in experience as well. Also, 30!

 

 

When I turned 30 I was getting trashed every night about two-three months before my birthday until I sat down and realized that it was that doing it.

 

It's frightening, but nothing earth shattering.

[Addictress]

I too am getting dangerously close to the 30 mark. By the time Andromeda hits shelves I'll be only a couple of months away. I'm a little frightened of that 3 and that 0. Having said that the characters might be young in age, but I'm sure in experience as well. Also, 30!

*shakes your hand* Bioware must cater to our demographic too! I hope they have a few old party members in there, even if the protagonist is college-aged.

[Onuris22]

Lol if you don't want to expose young kids to violence and killing then take them out of the savage neverending crap that is the American school system, nothing but one upsmanship and crapping on everyone else to keep you going..

 

Anyway it's pretty obvious to anyone from the US that a lot of people and institutionally they enforce the notion that everyone is hyper-servilve/submissive/dependent and slow learners to say the least (or even non-learners) but they don't seem to get that that's their thing and project onto other people is my only point.

 

 

I was commenting on the idea of younger kids in the military. And no, not everyone is hyper-sensative/submissive/dependent and slow learners, but while the mind is a powerful thing, it can be fragile. You don't take the change of screwing someone's life up as a kid on chance. Life sucks, and it's not safe, but it's ignorance to put someone that hasn't fully developed into situations they shouldn't be in if you can avoid it.

 

And I'll get back on track with the thread....

 

Younger cast really isn't that bad, and we don't know enough to really make a call on how young everyone is anyway. They're probably just saying your character starts out younger and then there's a varied age range for companions. I mean...young to an Asari can still be stupid old to a human It wouldn't make sense from a story perspective for everyone to be young, and it would restrict them too much.

[zestalyn]

Younger, inexperienced, and "green" doesn't necessarily mean 18 years old and hormonal. I think everyone can be empathetic to that time in their early 20s where they felt like they had to know exactly what they were doing but in reality had almost no idea what they were doing with their life and just had to wing it based on their limited range of experiences.

 

Actually I think adulthood in its entirety is kind of defined by that feeling (I'm 24, but judging by what many ppl in my life older than me have to endure, I don't think that's too wild of an assumption)  but I think for ME:A, the younger age thing is just a literal way to establish this lack of on-hands experience in the characters and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

 

In a way it actually might make it more relateable for all of us. For Shepard, the space marine life was nothing new, it was just the mission that had higher stakes. Only the relative few who have experienced active military duty can possibly say they have a feeling what that sort of chaos might feel like.

 

For example- what made the Tomb Raider series reboot so gripping for me is how that they made Lara's youth and inexperience with cut-throat survival into this vulnerable, human experience that was very easy to relate to. That in turn made the action and adventure experience overall much more impactful, satisfying, & personable. Now come to think of it, I'm more excited by this news 

[Cz-99]

Speaking as someone who's 4000 years old, I agree.

[d4rk fallen]

what do they have to do with it? And what's wrong with Selena Gomez? Chances are Ryder is between 32 and 27.

 

If the girl in E3 trailer was Ryder then she looked like a teen.

[Who Knows]

I wouldn't mind just throwing romance out the window, then you could have 14-15 year old characters no problem.

 

I'm not exactly sure why it's a need for Bioware or their fans or whatever to have romance in the game to begin with, to be honest.

14-15 year old squad mates are hard to believe. Certainly, they shouldn't be fighting unless they really need to (doubtful) - ME isn't a JRPG.

[TBSN]

Speaking as someone who's 4000 years old, I agree.

 

its confirm the ark leave earth "before ME3 final battle".maybe between ME2 & the start of me3.

& the trip to Andromeda has taken a really really long time (hundereds of years).

 

so i don't think new hero is still "young" when they wake up in Andromeda.

its should be >100+ years old for them in theory.

[Cyonan]

Don't even know where to begin to explain what is wrong with this if you can't see it yourself.

 

To be fair where I live, which coincidentally is where BioWare HQ is, the age of sexual consent is actually 16.

[The Dystopian Hound]

This game isn't and shouldn't be for little 12 year olds.