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[KotorEffect3]

We are gonna have Krogan and Salarians.  Even though we haven't seen any yet I imagine there will be Turians as well.   We all know what happens when these races get together.  Do you think old grudges might surface when it comes to fighting over who colonizes what?

[Hackett923]

We are gonna have Krogan and Salarians.  Even though we haven't seen any yet I imagine there will be Turians as well.   We all know what happens when these races get together.  Do you think old grudges might surface when it comes to fighting over who colonizes what?

It is certainly a possibility. Old grudges like that run deep and are very hard to get rid of.

[Remix-General Aetius]

There's plenty of galaxy for everyone.

[ZipZap2000]

Depends on the Salarians, they're the most likely to start a fight and expand while everyone else is killing each other.

Looks like the Krogan might have the Genophage.

[Hackett923]

There's plenty of galaxy for everyone.

A galaxy already populated I might add.

[KotorEffect3]

There's plenty of galaxy for everyone.

There was also plenty of galaxy in the Milky Way.  That didn't stop them from fighting.

[Jedi Comedian]

There's plenty of galaxy for everyone.

Nah, a galaxy without conflict is a galaxy without fun.

[KaiserShep]

The best one will be when our character is at odds with the son of the Mad Prophet, who snuck aboard before departing the Milky Way.

[Dalinne]

Definitely yes, old grudges will resurface in time to time.

Maybe even inside our own team. I would like to see that in ME1, especially with Ashley and my dear and beloved Garrus: guys, STOP BEING RACISTS!!!

[Catastrophy]

I'm not really sure who'd keep the Book of Grudges. Both I guess. The Salarian use an archive and the Krogan have their shamans.

[Epyon]

Krogan and Salarians/Turians for certainty. I actually would like the Turian/Human conflict you could invoke in the first game, but less so in the second and third too very much still be a thing here. Our crew should make clear Shepard, Wrex and Mordin were the unsual forward thinkers and the Tempest is inevitably crewed by the more ordinary.

[Balsam Beige]

Definitely yes, old grudges will resurface in time to time.
Maybe even inside our own team. I would like to see that in ME1, especially with Ashley and my dear and beloved Garrus: guys, STOP BEING RACISTS!!!

/facepalm

[DarthLaxian]

We are gonna have Krogan and Salarians.  Even though we haven't seen any yet I imagine there will be Turians as well.   We all know what happens when these races get together.  Do you think old grudges might surface when it comes to fighting over who colonizes what?

 

While they might be there (in the background), I really do hope they aren't a big part of the story (we are the new guys in Andromeda, we are probably outnumbered and maybe even outgunned, so we need to stick together, prejudices and old grudges have no place in such a scenario (and if they show up: I hope I can put an end to them and smack a few people in the process - like that Volus and C-Sec guy on the Citadel in ME3 who try to lock up a Quarian because the Volus says that she's been stealing (he's wrong of course) and later on for "vagrancy"...I loved telling those guys where to shove it!))

 

greets LAX

[Dalinne]

Definitely yes, old grudges will resurface in time to time.

Maybe even inside our own team. I would like to see that in ME1, especially with Ashley and my dear and beloved Garrus: guys, STOP BEING RACISTS!!!

 

/facepalm

 

Well, if I'm accurate, Ash is a prejudiced in ME1 (humanity is not on top of the chain of Milky Way society so she can't be estrictly racist), but Garrus definetely is (given the fact turians are on top of Citadel chain with Asari and Salarians). Those adorable turian comments in the Elevator against krogans and quarians  . Fortunately, he changes by the time ME2 with both multispecies squad experiences. The same goes for Ashley (aka: I don't see the difference between animals and aliens).

[wolfsite]

Things like this will probably be there, however squadmates always tend to find a way to resolve issues, or at the very least keep things civil during the mission.

 

In DA2 Avaline and Isabella were always at each others necks (only thing stopping them being Hawke) but by the end of the game they developed an interesting friendship were they each still took shots at each other but could laugh at it.

 

With the ME series Miranda and Jack despised each other (Shepard being the only person keeping them from tearing each other apart) but by the Citadel DLC they developed a bit of respect for each other and there abilities.

 

Garrus matured considerably concerning his feelings towards Krogan and Quarions.

 

 

also from what everyone is saying the Krogan squadmate is going to be female and they are shown to be more level headed about things stating that rivalries were created by the males as an outlet for there aggression.

[Solas]

There's plenty of galaxy for everyone.

nah, it's like having a similar-aged sibling when you're kids, they always want the EXACT same square foot of carpet you're standing on just cuz

[Balsam Beige]

Well, if I'm accurate, Ash is a prejudiced in ME1 (humanity is not on top of the chain of Milky Way society so she can't be estrictly racist), but Garrus definetely is (given the fact turians are on top of Citadel chain with Asari and Salarians). Those adorable turian comments in the Elevator against krogans and quarians  . Fortunately, he changes by the time ME2 with both multispecies squad experiences. The same goes for Ashley (aka: I don't see the difference between animals and aliens).

This isn't the place to go into. It's been discussed throughly over the years here.

Off topic; I did find a good article written by bsn user; the mightytrex. "My time as a Ashley fan in Mass Effect". https://themightyvre...in-mass-effect/

It is a interesting read for bsn members who were around here during time of the trilogy's development. It brought me down memory lane.

[DextroDNA]

I'm not really sure who'd keep the Book of Grudges. Both I guess. The Salarian use an archive and the Krogan have their shamans.

Why would they need to keep records? What salarian or krogan is going to forget the Genophage?

[MrFob]

I would be very surprised if old grudges weren't at least a side issue.

[Medhia_Nox]

We are gonna have Krogan and Salarians.  Even though we haven't seen any yet I imagine there will be Turians as well.   We all know what happens when these races get together.  Do you think old grudges might surface when it comes to fighting over who colonizes what?

 

No.  It is several hundreds years since they left the Milky Way Galaxy.

 

One of the current problems proposed with long term space travel is actually one of psychology and lineage.  

 

The problem is this:  How do you encourage subsequent generations (400 years have been proposed... I believe that's close to 200 generations for humans.  Less for Asari... more for Salarians) to maintain any loyalty or connection with the original mission after having no life that pertains to the original mission?

 

It's a fascinating psychological conundrum - I believe in the real world it will actually be religion that will codify space travel and make "the mission" a tradition during long term travel - but, that's not the point of me bringing this up.

 

The ME races will have lost ALL connection to how things were.  These Krogan will have naturalized the genophage (it gives them a human birthrate) into their new culture.  The Salarians will consider the genophage probably not even worth mentioning in the history of their people.  Turians and humans will likely get along better since their new history begins with the Normandy (and the Tempest sure looks like it borrows from the Normandy specs).  

 

So no - I don't think it would be appropriate at all to have the old problems pop up.

 

New ones?  That's totally believable.  

 

@DextroDNA:  Can you tell me anything significant about the year 1616?   More importantly - do you care about anything that happened in 1616?

[DextroDNA]

No.  It is several hundreds years since they left the Milky Way Galaxy.

 

One of the current problems proposed with long term space travel is actually one of psychology and lineage.  

 

The problem is this:  How do you encourage subsequent generations (400 years have been proposed... I believe that's close to 200 generations for humans.  Less for Asari... more for Salarians) to maintain any loyalty or connection with the original mission after having no life that pertains to the original mission?

 

It's a fascinating psychological conundrum - I believe in the real world it will actually be religion that will codify space travel and make "the mission" a tradition during long term travel - but, that's not the point of me bringing this up.

 

The ME races will have lost ALL connection to how things were.  These Krogan will have naturalized the genophage (it gives them a human birthrate) into their new culture.  The Salarians will consider the genophage probably not even worth mentioning in the history of their people.  Turians and humans will likely get along better since their new history begins with the Normandy (and the Tempest sure looks like it borrows from the Normandy specs).  

 

So no - I don't think it would be appropriate at all to have the old problems pop up.

 

New ones?  That's totally believable.  

Think you're a bit confused here...

 

Everyone who's moved to Andromeda lived in the Milky Way previously. The journey took hundreds of years, but they've been in stasis. We're not playing as the great great great grandchildren of the first explorers; we ARE the first explorers. We may even have some krogan with us who FOUGHT in the krogan rebellions (they'd have to be REALLY old though).

 

For all the characters in the game, it's only been a short while since they were in the Milky Way. Everything is still fresh in their heads, so bad relations between species are still going to be prevalent. 

[DextroDNA]

@DextroDNA:  Can you tell me anything significant about the year 1616?   More importantly - do you care about anything that happened in 1616?

I don't see what that has to do with anything?

 

For the people on board the ARK(s) it hasn't been 400 years. Technically, yes it has, but they've been asleep that whole time. When you go to sleep and then wake up, it doesn't feel like there's been an 8 hour gap between what you did before you went to bed and you waking up does it?

 

And even if that weren't the case (which it is), it's been over 1000 years since the Krogan Rebellions and the deployment of the Genophage and everyone in the Galaxy still remembers it, so obviously it wouldn't die out after another 400 years.

[Obliviousmiss]

History tends to repeat itself because people never learn. Old grudges die hard.

[Kabooooom]

Maybe, OP. But, if they do I think it will be a very very minor part of the overall plot. We now have enough information to say that the earlier Reddit leak was 100% accurate, and there is a lot of gameplay and story info in that leak. From all we know, the story is heavily focused on exploration, interaction with native species and uncovering who the Remnant are...so that doesn't leave a lot of time for petty MW quarrels to take center stage.

[Medhia_Nox]

I don't see what that has to do with anything?

 

For the people on board the ARK(s) it hasn't been 400 years. Technically, yes it has, but they've been asleep that whole time. When you go to sleep and then wake up, it doesn't feel like there's been an 8 hour gap between what you did before you went to bed and you waking up does it?

 

And even if that weren't the case (which it is), it's been over 1000 years since the Krogan Rebellions and the deployment of the Genophage and everyone in the Galaxy still remembers it, so obviously it wouldn't die out after another 400 years.

 

Okay - I was not aware they were all in cryo-statis.  Is this confirmed?  

 

On a generational ship model... stasis isn't a possibility - so in real science people would live and die on that ship.  Hence my statements (a concept I find far more compelling than space magic).

 

Stasis travel just made me more bored with ME:A - I'll have to see if that's actually the case. 

 

EDIT:  The Krogan are still actively suffering the genophage - it is why Tuchanka is where it is.  So of course they would still remember it in that situation.

 

There are examples of that in the real world yes - but nobody remembers why they originally started feeling the hatreds they do.  They just make up new reasons to hate - which still touches on my response.