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[Ralfufigus]

I hope not. If I have to listen to anyone else whine about the Genophage and how it was wrong/right, I might have to throw myself out the airlock...

[Kabooooom]

Okay - I was not aware they were all in cryo-statis. Is this confirmed?

On a generational ship model... stasis isn't a possibility - so in real science people would live and die on that ship. Hence my statements (a concept I find far more compelling than space magic).

Stasis travel just made me more bored with ME:A - I'll have to see if that's actually the case.

EDIT: The Krogan are still actively suffering the genophage - it is why Tuchanka is where it is. So of course they would still remember it in that situation.

There are examples of that in the real world yes - but nobody remembers why they originally started feeling the hatreds they do. They just make up new reasons to hate - which still touches on my response.

Yes it's confirmed, at the end of the trailer Ryder awakens from what is obviously some sort of stasis.

Edit: you can also see what seem to be stasis pods start lighting up around her on the five "arms" of whatever part of the ark she's on. It was meant to be reminiscent of the Citadel in that scene, but it is clear she is in some sort of cylindrical structure in the ship that holds colonists in stasis.

[DextroDNA]

Okay - I was not aware they were all in cryo-statis.  Is this confirmed?  

 

On a generational ship model... stasis isn't a possibility - so in real science people would live and die on that ship.  Hence my statements (a concept I find far more compelling than space magic).

 

Stasis travel just made me more bored with ME:A - I'll have to see if that's actually the case. 

 

EDIT:  The Krogan are still actively suffering the genophage - it is why Tuchanka is where it is.  So of course they would still remember it in that situation.

 

There are examples of that in the real world yes - but nobody remembers why they originally started feeling the hatreds they do.  They just make up new reasons to hate - which still touches on my response.

Yeah, it's pretty much confirmed. The leak from a while back mentioned it (and everything else in that leak has proved true in some way so far) and the trailer from EA Play shows someone waking up then saying "We made it" so it's basically 99.9% confirmed that everyone was in stasis. I don't see how stasis is "space-magic" anyway, cryo-stasis already exists in real life (though waking someone up is currently an unsolved issue) and it already exists fully in the MEU. Stasis is normal thing in Mass Effect.

 

I think the krogan definitely remember why they started feeling the hatreds they do. They have incredibly long life-spans so it would only have been a couple of krogan generations since the Genophage was dropped. They hate the salarians for creating the Genophage and they hate the turians for using it against them.

[Medhia_Nox]

Yeah, it's pretty much confirmed. The leak from a while back mentioned it (and everything else in that leak has proved true in some way so far) and the trailer from EA Play shows someone waking up then saying "We made it" so it's basically 99.9% confirmed that everyone was in stasis. I don't see how stasis is "space-magic" anyway, cryo-stasis already exists in real life (though waking someone up is currently an unsolved issue) and it already exists fully in the MEU. Stasis is normal thing in Mass Effect.

 

I think the krogan definitely remember why they started feeling the hatreds they do. They have incredibly long life-spans so it would only have been a couple of krogan generations since the Genophage was dropped. They hate the salarians for creating the Genophage and they hate the turians for using it against them.

 

Well - if their goal was to distance themselves from the previous ME games (and I've read plenty of times that was one of their main goals)... stasis is the absolute worst way to do it.  

 

But whatever. 

[Kabooooom]

Yeah, it's pretty much confirmed. The leak from a while back mentioned it (and everything else in that leak has proved true in some way so far) and the trailer from EA Play shows someone waking up then saying "We made it" so it's basically 99.9% confirmed that everyone was in stasis. I don't see how stasis is "space-magic" anyway, cryo-stasis already exists in real life (though waking someone up is currently an unsolved issue) and it already exists fully in the MEU. Stasis is normal thing in Mass Effect.

I think the krogan definitely remember why they started feeling the hatreds they do. They have incredibly long life-spans so it would only have been a couple of krogan generations since the Genophage was dropped. They hate the salarians for creating the Genophage and they hate the turians for using it against them.

I might be mistaken, but I don't think the leak actually mentioned stasis. But it's one of the things a lot of people here, including myself, predicted. The other viable alternative was a generation ship of course, but this was always significantly less plausible for a trip like this when we already have lore examples of long stasis that exist (in other words, Bioware would have been stupid not to use them).

[spinachdiaper]

They won't fight each other since they are all indoctrinated.

[DextroDNA]

Well - if their goal was to distance themselves from the previous ME games (and I've read plenty of times that was one of their main goals)... stasis is the absolute worst way to do it.  

 

But whatever. 

Distancing themselves in terms of plot, characters and the endings of ME3. Not distancing themselves from the lore of the games. That's one thing they've specifically said they want to keep intact.

[Kabooooom]

Distancing themselves in terms of plot, characters and the endings of ME3. Not distancing themselves from the lore of the games. That's one thing they've specifically said they want to keep intact.

Exactly, and an ark ship + stasis is the perfect way to do that.

[Catastrophy]

Why would they need to keep records? What salarian or krogan is going to forget the Genophage?

Don't be silly: To tell the grandgrandchildren lest they forget.

[Medhia_Nox]

Exactly, and an ark ship + stasis is the perfect way to do that.

 

Unfortunately - there would be a LOT of psychological issues with a refugee ship fleeing the annihilation of their galaxy (they would never know what actually happened).

 

Is that what we want to be dealing with? 

I mean - the Rule of Cool will win the day in Bioware storytelling... but, any of these people just being "frontier explorers" would be highly unbelievable to me if they just fled the Reapers. 

 

Hmm... I really need to know these details before I get interested in ME:A.

[DextroDNA]

Unfortunately - there would be a LOT of psychological issues with a refugee ship fleeing the annihilation of their galaxy (they would never know what actually happened).

 

Is that what we want to be dealing with? 

I mean - the Rule of Cool will win the day in Bioware storytelling... but, any of these people just being "frontier explorers" would be highly unbelievable to me if they just fled the Reapers. 

 

Hmm... I really need to know these details before I get interested in ME:A.

There's two possible times this expedition left: before ME3 or after ME3. It can't have left during because all those ships above Earth would have been obliterated by the Reapers.

 

If it's before ME3, then there's going to be no psychological problems because nobody on board would know the Reapers even really existed.

 

If it's after ME3, they've already won the war so if anything they're going to be feeling great about winning and exploring new frontiers.

[KotorEffect3]

There's two possible times this expedition left: before ME3 or after ME3. It can't have left during because all those ships above Earth would have been obliterated by the Reapers.

 

If it's before ME3, then there's going to be no psychological problems because nobody on board would know the Reapers even really existed.

 

If it's after ME3, they've already won the war so if anything they're going to be feeling great about winning and exploring new frontiers.

I think in interviews the devs have said that we would be on our way before Shepard made any of his major ME 3 decisions (genophage for example).  Makes me wonder if the Arks were avoiding the relay system on their way out of the Milky Way.

[Medhia_Nox]

There's two possible times this expedition left: before ME3 or after ME3. It can't have left during because all those ships above Earth would have been obliterated by the Reapers.

 

If it's before ME3, then there's going to be no psychological problems because nobody on board would know the Reapers even really existed.

 

If it's after ME3, they've already won the war so if anything they're going to be feeling great about winning and exploring new frontiers.

 

Won't be after - otherwise there's a canon ending.  

 

They already said your decision will not effect ME:A.  Which "could" mean a canon ending... or, more likely I believe, it means a total avoidance of the ending.

 

And... there was no possible way for them to leave the Milky Way before the Reapers.  Perhaps in between Sovereign and the actual invasion.  But the tech they're using has to have come from Reaper tech on some level... 

 

Though I admit... not knowing the Milky Way Galaxy is wiped clean would be a very interested prospect and if I had to choose between the two.. I'd chose that. 

[DarthLaxian]

No.  It is several hundreds years since they left the Milky Way Galaxy.

 

One of the current problems proposed with long term space travel is actually one of psychology and lineage.  

 

The problem is this:  How do you encourage subsequent generations (400 years have been proposed... I believe that's close to 200 generations for humans.  Less for Asari... more for Salarians) to maintain any loyalty or connection with the original mission after having no life that pertains to the original mission?

 

It's a fascinating psychological conundrum - I believe in the real world it will actually be religion that will codify space travel and make "the mission" a tradition during long term travel - but, that's not the point of me bringing this up.

 

The ME races will have lost ALL connection to how things were.  These Krogan will have naturalized the genophage (it gives them a human birthrate) into their new culture.  The Salarians will consider the genophage probably not even worth mentioning in the history of their people.  Turians and humans will likely get along better since their new history begins with the Normandy (and the Tempest sure looks like it borrows from the Normandy specs).  

 

So no - I don't think it would be appropriate at all to have the old problems pop up.

 

New ones?  That's totally believable.  

 

@DextroDNA:  Can you tell me anything significant about the year 1616?   More importantly - do you care about anything that happened in 1616?

 

Time is a non issue - the new trailer showed a female human (probably the base-human protagonist if you don't make your own) waking up (probably - almost 100% - from cryogenic suspension!) and saying: "We made it" with a hint of disbelieve in her voice (so she/they knew it was a long-shot and something only done out of desperation!) - so the people in Andromeda actually know all about the council, the reapers etc. (and not as distant history, despite it being some centuries ago actually!)

 

Despite that: I could really do without (many) old grudges (some quests might pop up with them, but over all I hope they band together against the greater threat)

 

greets LAX

[Kabooooom]

Unfortunately - there would be a LOT of psychological issues with a refugee ship fleeing the annihilation of their galaxy (they would never know what actually happened).

Is that what we want to be dealing with?

I mean - the Rule of Cool will win the day in Bioware storytelling... but, any of these people just being "frontier explorers" would be highly unbelievable to me if they just fled the Reapers.

Hmm... I really need to know these details before I get interested in ME:A.

I fail to see the problem with this. If anything it makes for good writing.

[Medhia_Nox]

I fail to see the problem with this. If anything it makes for good writing.

 

I'd prefer the story to not be about the psychological fallout of a genocidal diaspora... 

 

And it won't be... but if it's just people that were part of Shepard's time... I REALLY don't want that.  

 

I don't want to hear anyone talking about Shepard... or genophages... or Liara... or the Citadel... 

[FlyingSquirrel]

The best one will be when our character is at odds with the son of the Mad Prophet, who snuck aboard before departing the Milky Way.

 

I hope he brings the Elcor bouncer along. (Though I suppose an Elcor would have trouble "sneaking" into anything.)

[Kabooooom]

I'd prefer the story to not be about the psychological fallout of a genocidal diaspora...

And it won't be... but if it's just people that were part of Shepard's time... I REALLY don't want that.

I don't want to hear anyone talking about Shepard... or genophages... or Liara... or the Citadel...

They're going to have to mention the Reaper War, at least a bit. There's no avoiding it. That is almost assuredly the reason they went to Andromeda.

[KotorEffect3]

I'd prefer the story to not be about the psychological fallout of a genocidal diaspora... 

 

And it won't be... but if it's just people that were part of Shepard's time... I REALLY don't want that.  

 

I don't want to hear anyone talking about Shepard... or genophages... or Liara... or the Citadel... 

They shouldn't avoid the events of the Shepard trilogy entirely.  I am sure stuff like the battle of the citadel, the collectors, etc... will at the very least come up in conversations between characters.

[The Dystopian Hound]

Indifferent