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So, maybe it's too early to wonder about ME5/Andromeda 2, but...


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With the trailer showing multiple Arcs, I wonder if they're writing Andromeda with narrative space for a sidequel as much as a sequel when it comes to the other Arcs.

 

The ME trilogy was pretty linear in concept- all Shepard, all the time- but there was space for side-stories in the setting. Not just the books, but even other games. Imagine, say, being a C-SEC cop caught up in intrigue of the hunt for Sovereign's debris that everyone was looking for.

 

The ME trilogy wasn't really designed for alternative narratives- huge decisions too big for easy work arounds- but with multiple Arcs, Andromeda could probably approach the story of 'arriving in a new galaxy' in differing ways. Even if there's only three Arcs, as long as they aren't too close together you could have the narrative writing space for different adventures from each of them.

 

At the very least, it could offer some space and alternatives to having to focus on, and only on, Ryder for the next few games.


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I was thinking more like one ark for humans one for krogan/solarians and one for Asari but I guess not.


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TRILOGY!!!!

I would LOVE to have Ryder as the main character for a trilogy. I love trilogies because you can see the progression of characters and you get invested more in the story.

 

However, I think the devs won't say anything until they see how Andromeda1 is received. Luckily, they would have left room for continuity in that regard.



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That assumes all 3 (or more) Arks actually make it to Andromeda.  It's a long trip.  And really, any sequel is fully tied to the financial success of MEA.



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It is absolutely too early to start talking about ME5.


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With the trailer showing multiple Arcs, I wonder if they're writing Andromeda with narrative space for a sidequel as much as a sequel when it comes to the other Arcs.

 

The ME trilogy was pretty linear in concept- all Shepard, all the time- but there was space for side-stories in the setting. Not just the books, but even other games. Imagine, say, being a C-SEC cop caught up in intrigue of the hunt for Sovereign's debris that everyone was looking for.

 

The ME trilogy wasn't really designed for alternative narratives- huge decisions too big for easy work arounds- but with multiple Arcs, Andromeda could probably approach the story of 'arriving in a new galaxy' in differing ways. Even if there's only three Arcs, as long as they aren't too close together you could have the narrative writing space for different adventures from each of them.

 

At the very least, it could offer some space and alternatives to having to focus on, and only on, Ryder for the next few games.

 

I'd love this, having multiple side-archs with other characters (maybe as DLC, like "Leliana's Song" in Dragon Age: Origins!) would be neat (it would give us more story without rushing the main Mass Effect team into pushing out the games faster! Could also expand on things only mentioned in the main story!)

 

Maybe we could play some of the companions, too (again: Like in "Leliana's Song" where you play as Leliana who's an important companion in DA:O and is even more important (as an advisor and possible divine!) in Dragon Age: Inquisition!)?

 

All in all: Great idea :)



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I think that this game will be a standalone, given EA wants BW to focus more on purely action titles. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the last ME game period.



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I think that this game will be a standalone, given EA wants BW to focus more on purely action titles. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the last ME game period.

 

I disagree.  I don't think EA and BW would be putting so much time into the development of this title - essentially rebuilding the universe from the ground up - if they didn't think it has a shot at selling well enough for them to consider another installment afterwards.  It will always be contingent on this title's sales (financial succes) - that's just business.  Also, they could, if necessary, shift it over to a "purely action" franchise at any time if the RPG fans don't buy into it enough to warrant a second RPG in the series.  They'll take Mass Effect in whatever direction where there's money in it for them.


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I disagree.  I don't think EA and BW would be putting so much time into the development of this title - essentially rebuilding the universe from the ground up - if they didn't think it has a shot at selling well enough for them to consider another installment afterwards.  It will always be contingent on this title's sales (financial succes) - that's just business.  Also, they could, if necessary, shift it over to a "purely action" franchise at any time if the RPG fans don't buy into it enough to warrant a second RPG in the series.  They'll take Mass Effect in whatever direction where there's money in it for them.

Totally agree with bold sentence.

 

IMHO if Ryder and her/his crew are very well received and the game sells well, maybe they  make another trilogy.

If the characters more "meh" received but the new Galaxy and the new posibilities are the high points, maybe they make a second game with a different PC and crew, Dragon Age style.

 

One way or another, we will have more MEAndromeda games. The question is which path the devs will follow. That depends on the public reception



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And really, any sequel is fully tied to the financial success of MEA.

 

True and I believe developers already discuss about this in the beginning of a project, whether it should be a trilogy or a standalone game and if they agreed to do a trilogy I bet writer(s) come up with a long storyline or writing a short story just for one game and then ending it either with a suspense or leaving a little room so that they can pull it off later leading to one or more sequels. Simply, BioWare can write it if they want to and "doing" them depends on EA's decision, financial success as Helios969 said.

 

@ OP: I don't think each Ark will explain a different story. People wondering why we were shown 3 Arks in the BTS trailer 2016 while there is only one in the N7 Day trailer 2015. Well, it's just to give us an idea of our journey between The Milky Way and Andromeda simply by portraying one. They could've shown 3 from the start but who knows because they might've made major or minor changes to the story after the N7 Day trailer.

 

Also, if they confine ME:A's story for Helius Cluster only then the chances of making more games for different parts of the Andromeda galaxy seems good. All of this is just my opinion.

 

Edit: It depends on how they wrote it and we get to know only after playing the game. I still prefer a trilogy.



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@ OP: I don't think each Ark will explain a different story. People wondering why we were shown 3 Arks in the BTS trailer 2016 while there is only one in the N7 Day trailer 2015. Well, it's just to give us an idea of our journey between The Milky Way and Andromeda simply by portraying one. But yeah, they could've shown 3 from the start but who knows because they might've made major or minor changes to the story after the N7 Day trailer.

 

Also, if they confine ME:A's story for Helius Cluster only then the chances of making more games for different parts of the Andromeda galaxy seems good. All of this is just my opinion.

 

The best theory I read: we see three Arks but only one (ours) get to Andromeda. Maybe one is destroyed in the theorethical enemy attack in the Milky Way, maybe the second one is destroyed while traveling or vanished.



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The best theory I read: we see three Arks but only one (ours) get to Andromeda. Maybe one is destroyed in the theorethical enemy attack in the Milky Way, maybe the second one is destroyed while traveling or vanished.

 

I thought the same while writing the post.



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TRILOGY!!!!

I would LOVE to have Ryder as the main character for a trilogy. I love trilogies because you can see the progression of characters and you get invested more in the story.

 

However, I think the devs won't say anything until they see how Andromeda1 is received. Luckily, they would have left room for continuity in that regard.

yeah they will leave room to turn it into a longer story in case they decide to try it again but I think they'llse how this game does first before making a decision on it. Based on whjat I've seen so far I think it'll do quite well though.



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I dont think we will get MEA2. I think MEA will be like a platform and they just add more stuff to it continuously. 



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It is absolutely too early to start talking about ME5.




I agree lol I also love your username lol.

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I think MEA is planned to follow ME1's path. It took place in a small sector of the galaxy, and then it expanded through the next two games. 

 

I am also on the hopes that the game already has a cliffhanger or obviously "to be continued" ending tied to it. Andromeda is just too big to have the story take place in only one cluster.

 

In the end, direct sequels will be tied to the characters, they need to be better written than the story itself. They make people bound themselves with the game, buy every scrap of new content for it, and beg for more time with them (even after ME3, people wanted more time with them, so... glad we got Citadel).

 

This also comes with the downside of the original trilogy, where the next 2 games slowly became action games, so it could sell for a wider audience, as the RPG fans are already invested in it. We cant deny the chance that this may happen.

 

Either way, I hope this game rocks.


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I expect MEA will have a standalone story, but I also expect they will leave enough plot threads to build a sequel with Rider off of. I'd be surprised if they didn't squeeze at least one more game out of Rider before jumping to a side-quel story.
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It could be that one of the arks arrived before us, and part of the plot of the game will be working out happened to it.

(At least, that's what happened in Alien Legacy, an old game whose plot MEA's somewhat reminds me of)

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TRILOGY!!!!

I would LOVE to have Ryder as the main character for a trilogy. I love trilogies because you can see the progression of characters and you get invested more in the story.

 

If we're going off the basis of the ME trilogy, I'd really rather not- as far as character progression goes, the character development arcs were largely rubbish.

 

When it comes to PCs themselves, the nature of a RPG-protagonist is that an enforced character arc is almost impossible. Unless we're willing to accept canon characterization elements- beliefs, views, and the changing of views that will occur regardless of player input- then the only real characterization changes that can occur are the ones the player themselves choose. I, personally, am willing to accept some trade away- I wasn't annoyed by Shepard being haunted by guilt during ME3, or the Inquisitor's gradual assumption of responsibility in DAI- but a lot of people don't like it when it comes to the PC.

 

For the NPCs, though... it's really hard for me to describe them without repeating myself: largely rubbish. Characters changed, but not naturally or as a consequence of their in-game character arcs. Instead they frequently were simply picked up and moved to the next plot-convenient hole and forced through, previous characterization be damned. Sometimes this worked better than others, and sometimes it was cringe-worthy. The multiple Liara reboots, Legion and the Geth going from 'we're different, and okay with that' to pinochio syndrome, and even Wrex doing a 180 on his political philosophy between ME2 and ME3.

 

Probably the worst character 'arc' in the series, for one of the most popular characters, was Garrus. In ME1, Garrus had his most solid character arc of the entire trilogy- a young, well-intentioned figure torn between a desire to uphold the law and a reckless desire to get things done. It was a classic mentor-mentee relationship, with Garrus looking up to the veteran authority figure that was Shepard, and ending his narrative arc ready to depart and step out from under Shepard's influence to do his own thing. Paragonize him, and he'd go back to C-SEC a wiser, more patient turian. Renegade him, and he'd pursue Spectre status. Gradual, natural evolution in divergent directions.

 

Then ME2 threw it away, and ME3 robbed Garrus of any pretense of autonomy. ME2 threw away Garrus's divergence and gave him a vengeance spiel that ultimately was entirely unaffected to the ME1 development, even though the ME1 development would have been an ideal sort of carry-over of a trilogy to justify a continued character arc. ME3 didn't even pretend Garrus was his own character- it went full-throttle on the idea of Shepard and Vakarian, sidekick/buddy for life.

 

And that was one of the more popular characters. Samara, an ideological absolutist from a group of ideological absolutists, was wattered down to overlook bad things and worse people because, well, it's serious now. Apparently Justicars are moral relativists when it's convenient. Jack jumped from a possible eager and willing murderer with raw power but virtually no peaceful skill-sets to... being entrusted to teach some of the best and brightest? Sure. Right. Jacob had a mission that would seem in character for him... if you didn't romance him, and find that the romance in ME2 sold as 'stable' and 'reliable' was the only one to entail getting dumped for infidelity. (Let's ignore the probably accidental racial stereotypes.) The list goes on- Udina is a less sympathetic character who had less of a character arc and more contorted to being unsympathetic no matter the context.

 

Probably the only two character arcs I actually feel took advantage of the trilogy/sequels were the Virmire Survivor and Mordin. The VS had a consistent characterization arc that built on the previous games: establishing loyalty, anger over questioned loyalties, and then resolution. The Virmire confrontation itself was questionable, but it made for a 3-part arc.

 

Mordin was just lucky to be one of the few characters whose ME3 role was reasonably set up and foreshadowed by his ME2 plot. It's actually a continuation of what was established before- a crisis of morality, a desire to repent- which makes even his decision to reverse course an in-character development in line with his established characterization.

 

But for the rest? I don't think trilogy worked well for character development. I think the trilogy undermined most of the characters.



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While this is still Mass Effect I get the feeling they are getting away from the Shepard formula.  For all we know we are only playing as Ryder in one game and we will play as someone else the next time around.  I can also see depending on the success of Andromeda of them setting up expansions and a crap ton of DLC and supporting this game with new content for a long time.