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[Shechinah]

Ark Initiative or Andromeda Initiative is my bet.

I think the N7 guy will be the antagonist or some sort of rival character. He may turn out to be Ryder's brother.

 
I wouldn't mind that; I like the idea of being the less experienced and less established younger sibling to the experienced and established older sibling. We're still climbing the ranks and finishing learning the ropes while he has already climbed the ranks and learned the ropes. We've already been the older sibling in Dragon Age II so it would be nice with a switch.
 
I'm just hoping they give us a good long time with the guy before he ends up KIA or MIA. I'll be surprised if it turns out he never ends up either of those things.

[Ark is Zenith]

I think this game will have massive enjoyable fetch quest.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Er... Yup.

Where's the N7 logo?

Edit: Sorry. I see it now on the arm. Still it seems clear from everything released since that they changed their minds.

Which has no relevance.

Well if you say so it must be true.

Which also has no relevance since most armors for Shepard had no N7 markings.

Of course it has relevance. Show me one bit of ME publicity with Shepard in armour that's not N7.

You think every N7 is a "hero" and capable of saving the galaxy, like Shepard?

Nope . I think every N7 is an elite soldier who is not green or in need of proving him/herself.

[CannotCompute]

Yeah, the A symbol on the armor most likely stands fot Ark or Andromeda.

And I think your character is indeed not N7. I can imagine there's operatives out there (N7 or not) who are in Wild West mode and might be encountered during the storyline. It's not unlikely we'll see some mw races vs mw races stuff going down.

[SofaJockey]

Who is Gamermd? and why is she so important? She looks pretty annoying to me.

 

Gamermd is a boss. When you have written as many posts as she has made videos, you will understand.

I'll take enthusiasm over cynicism and misery any day...

[Killroy]

Where's the N7 logo?

Edit: Sorry. I see it now on the arm. Still it seems clear from everything released since that they changed their minds.

Why is that clear? Why is it even likely? We have no idea what, if anything, happens to the guy from the trailer or even if he's an actual character in the game or not. It could have been a generic male PC that they're saying isn't the PC because the design wasn't final. You're trying to pass off conjecture as theory.

Well if you say so it must be true.

Someone else being N7 has no relevance. Unless you're asserting there can only be 1 N7 at a time, which is completely false.

Of course it has relevance. Show me one bit of ME publicity with Shepard in armour that's not N7.

They showed Shepard in the Collector and Terminus armors in TV ads for ME2.

Nope . I think every N7 is an elite soldier who is not green or in need of proving him/herself.

Every N7 is an explorer? Vega didn't need to prove himself?

[Jaulen]

I'll theorize for 10 seconds:  ME:A is a Destiny clone, which means all the single-player plebs will be forced to play multiplayer, and that is why EAbioware is afraid to show any gameplay

Well to be fair, when I played Destiny I thought "Tight game controls, but Bioware could have done the game better." (for what matters to me in a game, characters and plot)

[potentialfood]

pretty sure the character that they drop is the same one from the FX demo. That guy had a face tattoo so it's probably some guy from a space gang. Basically ME:A's version of ME2's scene:

 

[The Elder King]

Every N7 is an explorer? Vega didn't need to prove himself?

Vega wasn't an N7, he was offered to enter the program. Considering the experience he had before, and what he'd have before being considered an N7, I'd say he wouldn't be considered 'green'. 

That doesn't mean our character can't be a N7. He might be, or maybe Bioware decided to change things. We'll know more in fall, I guess.

[Heimdall]

I wouldn't mind that; I like the idea of being the less experienced and less established younger sibling to the experienced and established older sibling. We're still climbing the ranks and finishing learning the ropes while he has already climbed the ranks and learned the ropes. We've already been the older sibling in Dragon Age II so it would be nice with a switch.

I'm just hoping they give us a good long time with the guy before he ends up KIA or MIA. I'll be surprised if it turns out he never ends up either of those things.

I actually like the scenario more and more as I think about it. It'd be a nice change of pace not to be the most accomplished and awesome person in every room we walk into.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Why is that clear? Why is it even likely? We have no idea what, if anything, happens to the guy from the trailer or even if he's an actual character in the game or not. It could have been a generic male PC that they're saying isn't the PC because the design wasn't final. You're trying to pass off conjecture as theory.


Someone else being N7 has no relevance. Unless you're asserting there can only be 1 N7 at a time, which is completely false.


They showed Shepard in the Collector and Terminus armors in TV ads for ME2.


Every N7 is an explorer? Vega didn't need to prove himself?

 

I can't be bothered to run around in circles all night so let's be clear. You have a blurry photo of a very early selection screen as your proof. That's it. Nothing else that they've ever shown or said has given the impression that the protagonist will be N7, except for the one guy who they stated was definitively not the protagonist.

 

Against that there is all the circumstantial evidence to the contrary which you dismiss because you can think of other ways to explain it. Fine. Let's see who ends up being right.

[Sailears]

Pretty interesting - I hadn't thought of that and it seems plausible.

[The Dystopian Hound]

The probability.....I don't know. It's just speculation like anything else. It's just someone else's opinion. Some opinions are more plausible than others.

[P. Domi]

N7 is an Alliance military skill proficiency level. I like GamerMd, but many Youtubers and forum members sometimes get a bit confused about what an N7 really is (understandable, since sometimes the games were not consistent either). By going with Mass Effect 1 codex, it is possible that Ryder could be an N1-N6, or not a member of the Alliance special forces at all, and simply a military trained explorer/member of a military recon unit. Not all special forces in the Alliance members are N7, and not all people qualifying for the N7 training program complete it with the N7 proficiency rank. As indicated in the codex, completing the training at all is considered an enormous achievement, but only those who do so with the highest demonstrations of martial skill (never defined with detail in the code) will be recognized as N7.   

[KotorEffect3]

N7 is an Alliance military skill proficiency level. I like GamerMd, but many Youtubers and forum members sometimes get a bit confused about what an N7 really is (understandable, since sometimes the games were not consistent either). By going with Mass Effect 1 codex, it is possible that Ryder could be an N1-N6, or not a member of the Alliance special forces at all, and simply a military trained explorer/member of a military recon unit. Not all special forces in the Alliance members are N7, and not all people qualifying for the N7 training program complete it with the N7 proficiency rank. As indicated in the codex, completing the training at all is considered an enormous achievement, but only those who do so with the highest demonstrations of martial skill (never defined with detail in the code) will be recognized as N7.   

I wonder if Ryder is even military.  I know Ryder has combat training but they appear to be very young and we know they are green.  Probably was a prodigy and top of their class and all that.    I know there is some military involvement with the N7 guy being there and all but this project isn't strictly military since it is basically a large scale expedition to settle and colonize new worlds.  I am curious as to how Ryder ended up becoming the pathfinder.

[The Dystopian Hound]

I wonder if Ryder is even military. I know Ryder has combat training but they appear to be very young and we know they are green. Probably was a prodigy and top of their class and all that. I know there is some military involvement with the N7 guy being there and all but this project isn't strictly military since it is basically a large scale expedition to settle and colonize new worlds. I am curious as to how Ryder ended up becoming the pathfinder.

no need to wonder. If you piece all the info together Ryder is N7. Leaks, trailer, E3, comic con, etc.

[The Dystopian Hound]

Where's the N7 logo?

Edit: Sorry. I see it now on the arm. Still it seems clear from everything released since that they changed their minds.

Well if you say so it must be true.

Of course it has relevance. Show me one bit of ME publicity with Shepard in armour that's not N7.

Nope . I think every N7 is an elite soldier who is not green or in need of proving him/herself.

The N7 is covered by the chest thing. And it's on the right arm. It's blurry.

[Dalinne]

I'll theorize for 10 seconds:  ME:A is a Destiny clone, which means all the single-player plebs will be forced to play multiplayer, and that is why EAbioware is afraid to show any gameplay

They already dismiss that idea in one of the interviews (regarding the fact people didn't like in ME3 you have to play the multiplayer in order to achieve the best result in singleplayer).

[Helios969]

I appreciate her enthusiasm, but she's like a ball lost in high weeds. Even with the few pieces of evidence we have, it's easy to disprove some of the stuff she was saying early on in the video.

Even in my eagerness to hear and discuss all things related to Mass Effect, I didn't make it far. She quickly devolves into rambling conjecture. I seriously thing she was thinking on the fly while recording. It turned into "Maybe X? Maybe Y? Maybe Z?", and I stopped the playback.

Edit:

I typed this while doing two other things, and it came out sounding a bit harsh. It's accurate, but I didn't run it through my usual "politeness filters" before posting. I don't feel like retyping the whole thing, so just know I'm not trying to sound like an ass.

I think you're pretty much spot on.  If she'd condense those 30 minutes to 10 she'd be far more effective.  I tolerate her vids because shes cute and quirky, but Ash aka Lady Insanity has much better ME/DA discussion vids.  And I didn't think you were overly harsh...nothing wrong with a little constructive criticism.

[Killroy]

Vega wasn't an N7, he was offered to enter the program. Considering the experience he had before, and what he'd have before being considered an N7, I'd say he wouldn't be considered 'green'. 
That doesn't mean our character can't be a N7. He might be, or maybe Bioware decided to change things. We'll know more in fall, I guess.

Vega felt he had to prove himself after making what he considered to be the wrong call, but he was given an open invitation to the N7 program anyway.
 

I can't be bothered to run around in circles all night so let's be clear.

You mean you can't effectively argue my points.
 

You have a blurry photo of a very early selection screen as your proof. That's it. Nothing else that they've ever shown or said has given the impression that the protagonist will be N7, except for the one guy who they stated was definitively not the protagonist.

I have actual evidence. You have conjecture. The N7 in the trailer not being our PC doesn't mean our PC can't be N7.
 

Against that there is all the circumstantial evidence to the contrary which you dismiss because you can think of other ways to explain it.

It's only circumstantial evidence if you've already reached a conclusion. Objectively your "evidence" has very little, if any merit. The fact that I can easily and effectively explain it all away, and have actual evidence on my side while doing so, should give you pause.
 

Fine. Let's see who ends up being right.

I really don't care who's right. Stop being childish. Even if they did change the protagonist from N7 to non-N7 at some point you still jumped to baseless conclusions and tried to pass them off as logical and factual.

[fizzypop]

Great video (I watch her, too she's so damned nerdy and that's damned cool!)

 

I still hope that they DON'T go the family story route (It didn't work in Fallout 3 and 4 (the main story in both games is boring, partly because of having to look for father/son...(I at least don't have emotional ties to either so I couldn't care less...it would be another thing if either really betrayed me/left me for dead somewhere or something then my motivation would be anger!))...

I agree. I really hope they decide to keep your family either A. light and a source of comfort or B. They make you invest emotionally in them and then somewhere near the middle of the game they turn on you/die. That way it is more satisfying and motivating for the player. That was the biggest problem in DA2 there was very little time to gain a connection before one was slaughtered and you had no personal investment. In comparison your mother's death was much harder hitting because you know you had spent most of the game having her around.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Vega felt he had to prove himself after making what he considered to be the wrong call, but he was given an open invitation to the N7 program anyway.
 

You mean you can't effectively argue my points.
 

I have actual evidence. You have conjecture. The N7 in the trailer not being our PC doesn't mean our PC can't be N7.
 

It's only circumstantial evidence if you've already reached a conclusion. Objectively your "evidence" has very little, if any merit. The fact that I can easily and effectively explain it all away, and have actual evidence on my side while doing so, should give you pause.
 

I really don't care who's right. Stop being childish. Even if they did change the protagonist from N7 to non-N7 at some point you still jumped to baseless conclusions and tried to pass them off as logical and factual.

Not wanting to waste my time on an endless cyclical debate does not equal an inability to effectively argue. It means I have better things to do. I've made my points. I don't believe you've done anything substantial to refute them other than assert that you are right, but If you wish to dismiss them as baseless and derived from a pre-existing conclusion then that's your prerogative. I'll leave it for others to make their own conclusions. There's really nothing else to say other than endlessly argue the same points.

 

I'm not hugely bothered who turns out to be right, either. I certainly won't lose sleep if I turn out to have been in error. I probably wouldn't have even addressed your post if you hadn't stated Ryder was N7 as if it were some kind of undisputed fact when it clearly isn't. It's certainly not worth arguing over further.

[Dalinne]

I agree. I really hope they decide to keep your family either A. light and a source of comfort or B. They make you invest emotionally in them and then somewhere near the middle of the game they turn on you/die. That way it is more satisfying and motivating for the player. That was the biggest problem in DA2 there was very little time to gain a connection before one was slaughtered and you had no personal investment. In comparison your mother's death was much harder hitting because you know you had spent most of the game having her around.

If they can make a Lee-Clementine/Joel-Ellie/Shepard-Grunt family conection I will be please

(well, it seems I like surrogate families more than real blood ties in games)

[The Elder King]

no need to wonder. If you piece all the info together Ryder is N7. Leaks, trailer, E3, comic con, etc.

The trailer shown our character with the N7 insignia, and the leak didn't state, as far as I recall, that we were N7. 

They shown the male and female characters' armour with N7 years ago, before all the trailers. We'll see soon if we're styll N7 or not, but it's not sure yet.

[Dalinne]

The trailer shown our character with the N7 insignia, and the leak didn't state, as far as I recall, that we were N7. 

They shown the male and female characters' armour with N7 years ago, before all the trailers. We'll see soon if we're styll N7 or not, but it's not sure yet.

The E3 2015 trailer shows a character with the N7 insignia. We assumed he was the PC, but devs said the PC isn't that N7.

The E3 2016 trailer shows two male characters: one in white with the Ai logo (our PC), a N7 (not us). We know that N7 is not us because in the same trailer the female version of the protagonist wears white with the Ai logo.

Devs have told us the N7 of the first trailer wasn't the protagonist. It could be possible there are two N7, but I doubt it. Aesthetically is very problematic to make two almost identical character designs. In addition, it's strange to see a repetition of a character N7 as protagonist as Shepard's.

 

Gamermd83 makes a good point about the first trailer: he was a N7, we assume he was the protagonist, we assume he was good. But unholstering the gun in a cool way can be threatening at the same time in the moment we stop seeing him as the protagonist. I think he is the guy who is watching that guy from the leak fall. Although, I don't think the falling guy is the protagonist.

N7 guy seems to be an Antagonist, not evil but very Renegade.