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Gamermd83 makes a good point about the first trailer: he was a N7, we assume he was the protagonist, we assume he was good. But unholstering the gun in a cool way can be threatening at the same time in the moment we stop seeing him as the protagonist. I think he is the guy who is watching that guy from the leak fall. Although, I don't think the falling guy is the protagonist.
N7 guy seems to be an Antagonist, not evil but very Renegade.


So Shepard was the antagonist of the trilogy after he threw that guy out a window to his death in ME2, right?

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They already dismiss that idea in one of the interviews (regarding the fact people didn't like in ME3 you have to play the multiplayer in order to achieve the best result in singleplayer).

 

And the Council dismissed the Reapers


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The trailer shown our character with the N7 insignia, and the leak didn't state, as far as I recall, that we were N7.
They shown the male and female characters' armour with N7 years ago, before all the trailers. We'll see soon if we're still N7 or not, but it's not sure yet.

It's all there man. You just gotta know where to look. Gameplay leak, human male holds gun to Krogan, 3 people behind crates, 2 squadmates from 2015 trailer drak and Cora, human male N7(probably Ryder). Clip where you boost, same Guy wearing N7 armor, looks like buzzcut. Newest preview, N7 guy with Krogan dropping a human male off the platform. Squads move in 3's. From the leak which is pretty real right about now we see the player boosting with N7 guy playing as him, we see squad of 3 typical of mass effect. Since we know they're gonna be squadmembers it's safe assume to guy with the N7 armor is the player since we're in 3's and it's about us and no one in the game. In ever mass effect game we can choose from different armors. If we can control the guy we saw in trailer, he's the male version. In comic con they showed us N7 protagonists, in 2015 we saw a man at the Tempest control panel (that's our ship) we see him with Cora and drak, a squad of 3, going up against khet. They say he isn't us. Of course they'd bull**** us. That's what I believe and considering what N7 means to bioware and the mass effect Universe(they named a day after it) it's safe to assume that our character N7. We've seen images where you can change color for that armor. It's gonna be wearable. We know that. Why wouldn't they pick an N7 operative to explore Andromeda.Why would they pick some average Joe? I believe we're N7 and I'm willing to argue to the ends of the earth for my belief.

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And the Council dismissed the Reapers

I KNEW SOMEONE WILL PICK THE REFERENCE!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 

 

So Shepard was the antagonist of the trilogy after he threw that guy out a window to his death in ME2, right?

No, because Shepard was the protagonist, or the antihero in case you played as a renegade. But you are not the antagonist, because you are PLAYING him. The antagonist is someone who opposes the protagonist. If you are playing a renegade, an antagonist could be more heroic than you but he or she would be THE antagonist. For example: in Breaking Bad, the protagonist is Heisenberg (drug-dealer), and one of his antagonist is Hank (detective). Heisenberg is an antihero, but he is the protagonist. Hank is better person than him but he is the antagonist.

 

The narrative point of view is key. Ryder is the protagonist and s/he can be heroic or antiheroic, but she will be the protagonist. The N7 guy could be the antagonist if his interests are against yours.


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That's what I believe and considering what N7 means to bioware and the mass effect Universe(they named a day after it) it's safe to assume that our character N7. We've seen images where you can change color for that armor. It's gonna be wearable. We know that. Why wouldn't they pick an N7 operative to explore Andromeda.Why would they pick some average Joe? I believe we're N7 and I'm willing to argue to the ends of the earth for my belief.

 

But don't you think those strong feelings and that attachment we have for N7 would make more devastating if we discover one of N7 has went rogue? Don't you think would be very challenging for a PC who is not anyone yet to put down a N7? It's like Shepard going after Saren without the Spectre status. If you have more difficulties to achieve your goal, the reward for making it is bigger!



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But don't you think those strong feelings and that attachment we have for N7 would make more devastating if we discover one of N7 has went rogue? Don't you think would be very challenging for a PC who is not anyone yet to put down a N7? It's like Shepard going after Saren without the Spectre status. If you have more difficulties to achieve your goal, the reward for making it is bigger!

I don't agree. From what I've heard the villain isn't N7. It may be that guy we threw off the platform. He looked like he was up to no good. And he wasn't the one with his team behind his back. You see what I mean. I wouldn't mind if we we're N7 going after another but it's pretty apparent to me, N7 is the optimal choice for a Pathfinder.

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I don't agree. From what I've heard the villain isn't N7. It may be that guy we threw off the platform. He looked like he was up to no good. And he wasn't the one with his team behind his back. You see what I mean. I wouldn't mind if we we're N7 going after another but it's pretty apparent to me, N7 is the optimal choice for a Pathfinder.

I don't agree! If the villain is that tattoed boy who chokes because of a fart grenade and then he dies miserabily falling down as nothing I will pray for bringing Corypheus back, FREAKING CORYPHEUS! (how I hate you oh sad villain who only won in Haven with no charisma whatsoever)

 

Well, I guess only the game will tell who is right ;)



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Well to sum up, she talks Plan B escape scenario which seems to be increasingly unlikely one considering no effort to hide the construction of the Arks and the fact the Earth isn't burning in any way, it's just city lights. So I'm guessing scientific expedition "because we have too much cash and wanna see Andromeda"

Even if it wasn't earth but another colony they still wouldn't be hiding it since if they were they'd be building it in deep space like the crucible.



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I don't agree! If the villain is that tattoed boy who chokes because of a fart grenade and then he dies miserabily falling down as nothing I will pray for bringing Corypheus back, FREAKING CORYPHEUS! (how I hate you oh sad villain who only won in Haven with no charisma whatsoever)

 

Well, I guess only the game will tell who is right ;)

I would love a spinoff Mass Dragon Effect Age game just for the hell of it.



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I don't agree! If the villain is that tattoed boy who chokes because of a fart grenade and then he dies miserabily falling down as nothing I will pray for bringing Corypheus back, FREAKING CORYPHEUS! (how I hate you oh sad villain who only won in Haven with no charisma whatsoever)

Well, I guess only the game will tell who is right ;)

Who said he died? Who said he was the main villain? Guess the game will tell us. ;)

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I would love a spinoff Mass Dragon Effect Age game just for the hell of it.

And then that's how we discover Thedas was in Andromeda  :D

 

Who said he died? Who said he was the main villain? Guess the game will tell us. ;)

Tchan tchaaaaaan...  :P  ;)



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The E3 2015 trailer shows a character with the N7 insignia. We assumed he was the PC, but devs said the PC isn't that N7.

The E3 2016 trailer shows two male characters: one in white with the Ai logo (our PC), a N7 (not us). We know that N7 is not us because in the same trailer the female version of the protagonist wears white with the Ai logo.

Devs have told us the N7 of the first trailer wasn't the protagonist. It could be possible there are two N7, but I doubt it. Aesthetically is very problematic to make two almost identical character designs. In addition, it's strange to see a repetition of a character N7 as protagonist as Shepard's.

 

Gamermd83 makes a good point about the first trailer: he was a N7, we assume he was the protagonist, we assume he was good. But unholstering the gun in a cool way can be threatening at the same time in the moment we stop seeing him as the protagonist. I think he is the guy who is watching that guy from the leak fall. Although, I don't think the falling guy is the protagonist.

N7 guy seems to be an Antagonist, not evil but very Renegade. 

Sorry, I miswrote my post. I meant to say the N7 character isn't the PC.

 

It's all there man. You just gotta know where to look. Gameplay leak, human male holds gun to Krogan, 3 people behind crates, 2 squadmates from 2015 trailer drak and Cora, human male N7(probably Ryder). Clip where you boost, same Guy wearing N7 armor, looks like buzzcut. Newest preview, N7 guy with Krogan dropping a human male off the platform. Squads move in 3's. From the leak which is pretty real right about now we see the player boosting with N7 guy playing as him, we see squad of 3 typical of mass effect. Since we know they're gonna be squadmembers it's safe assume to guy with the N7 armor is the player since we're in 3's and it's about us and no one in the game. In ever mass effect game we can choose from different armors. If we can control the guy we saw in trailer, he's the male version. In comic con they showed us N7 protagonists, in 2015 we saw a man at the Tempest control panel (that's our ship) we see him with Cora and drak, a squad of 3, going up against khet. They say he isn't us. Of course they'd bull**** us. That's what I believe and considering what N7 means to bioware and the mass effect Universe(they named a day after it) it's safe to assume that our character N7. We've seen images where you can change color for that armor. It's gonna be wearable. We know that. Why wouldn't they pick an N7 operative to explore Andromeda.Why would they pick some average Joe? I believe we're N7 and I'm willing to argue to the ends of the earth for my belief.

You're free to believe what you will, but you're making a lot of assumptions. And again, the leak stated in no part that we're N7.

If you want to think Bioware is lying about us not being the N7 character, fine, but I don't see the reason. What good would it make them to lie about us not being that N7 character? There's no reason to do that. Also, the fact that the ship in the E32015 trailer have the same control panel of the Templest it doesn't mean it's the Tempest. It can be a similar ship.

The fact that the armour is changeable doesn't mean that they wouldn't show us with a N7 logo. Shepard appeared in most of the trailers, videos and screenshots during development with the N7 insignia. The fact that in the last trailer it appeared with the Ai insignia, a symbol that Bioware is showing us now, might mean something. Or maybe not. The point is, we know literally nothing about our character. So everything is possible at this point.

 

 

If N7 means so much to you though, I'd say that it's better to keep your expectation lower, so you wouldn't be disappointed in the case it turns out the PC  isn't N7.


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If this is what it turns out to be N7 guy is basically Cerberus. 

 

It therefore has merit.

 

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I watch gamermd83 for her reaction videos. She gets very excited just as this guy.

 

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Sorry, I miswrote my post. I meant to say the N7 character isn't the PC.

You're free to believe what you will, but you're making a lot of assumptions. And again, the leak stated in no part that we're N7.
If you want to think Bioware is lying about us not being the N7 character, fine, but I don't see the reason. What good would it make them to lie about us not being that N7 character? There's no reason to do that. Also, the fact that the ship in the E32015 trailer have the same control panel of the Templest it doesn't mean it's the Tempest. It can be a similar ship.
The fact that the armour is changeable doesn't mean that they wouldn't show us with a N7 logo. Shepard appeared in most of the trailers, videos and screenshots during development with the N7 insignia. The fact that in the last trailer it appeared with the Ai insignia, a symbol that Bioware is showing us now, might mean something. Or maybe not. The point is, we know literally nothing about our character. So everything is possible at this point.


If N7 means so much to you though, I'd say that it's better to keep your expectation lower, so you wouldn't be disappointed in the case it turns out the PC isn't N7.

So is everyone else. Making assumptions I mean.

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So is everyone else. Making assumptions I mean.

 

We've debated endlessly for months with less...  :P



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I also don't think the PC is N7, I think s/he will be part of the group with the Ai symbol (whatever that stands for exactly). Given that devs are running around in Ai T-Shirts already, I guess it will be of some significance.

"Andromeda Initiative"  



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Maybe the AI stands for Artificial Intelligence? PLOT TWIST: you're a synth.



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http://forum.bioware...3#entry20127469

 

I made a post in Revan's post from March this year, "is Ryder actually the antagonist". Although we got the protagonist/antagonist the wrong way around, I pretty much 100% predicted the plot device back then, just based the N7 day 2015 trailer alone. Quote below:

 

One idea I like about the protagonist / antagonist, is that its a 'greater good' moral scenario. I'm really not a fan of bond type supervillians who want to see the world burn, I like the grey moral issues - and being that the operative is N7 or ex-N7, this seems likely.

 

I'll paint my picture of Ryder being the antagonist - starting with backstory.

  • Ark is even bigger than it seems, the screenshot you see of it looking like the Citadel is because it houses like 100,000 people, say 20,000 humans and a mix of other races.
  • They left during the reaper war, and although we dont KNOW the canon ending, we assume the worst, this might be whats left of the humans and other races. [Alternatively, it might just be unfeasible to return, so you need to find a home to simply survive].
  • Therefore, its as much about exploration as it is about survival and protection of your people. As an N7 operative you are finding a new home for your people.
  • You go on missions with a smaller vessel like you had in ME, this is your operating base/ship as per normal, but you can travel back to your people on the Ark, similar to the Citadel. 

So with this in mind, imagine now that there might be different moral compasses from the N7 team about how to approach finding a new home for humans in Andromeda. Some would want to play nice, and keep our morals at any cost, others might vote to sacrifice these values for the survival of our species.

 

So, my view of Ryder being the antagonist might be something like:

  • The values/directives of the council are hyper diplomatic, despite overwhelming hostility from the Helios Cluster in Andromeda, the rules are to play nice at all costs to fit in.
  • We discover the Remnant precursor race somehow and discover mastering their technology could give us power over andromeda
  • There is a rift in the humans and N7 specifically, and Ryder breaks off with a bunch of them in order to try and find this technology so they can claim the technology and therefore cement the home for the 100,000 refugees by technological prowess.
  • The protagonist forms a party to stop Ryder and the rogue N7 cell from destroying their chances of assimilation into Andromeda through their reckless pursuit of this Remnant tech.
  • Perhaps as the protagonist, after seeing the logic of the antagonist, you could choose to side with the rogue N7 agent and go renegade, or go paragon and stop them in the end for the greater good.
  • As we know, side stories in the game are about ultimately deciding the fate of the warring factions in Andromeda using the Remnant tech.... so why not our own fate?

 

 

FeelsGoodMan about being the first on the forum to predict the N7 vs other human rift :)

 

The one part that the OP forgot to mention is the integration with the Survey leak (which is now 100% confirmed through how many predictions it got right). So, we know about the precursor race and so called 'remanent tech'.

 

This technological advantage is obviously going to be the point of conflict in the galaxy and this ensuing power struggle is obviously going to be the general human vs N7 humans rift. The way I see it, there is a war already raging in the helious cluster (as the races start to ascend their technological ability through using remanent tech), and you can pick a side, or perhaps even use the power for the good of humans alone.

 

The thing I got wrong was mixing up the antagonist/protagonist names, but it seems like this plot device is right on point. I really like this for a new trilogy because it means the first game can be about exploration and largely close with an internal conflict alone, and then you can get into the big fish and some sort of greater existential threat in ME5/6. Starting with this story allows the game room to grow.