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[Satirist]

With all the talk about how the arc must be a human/Alliance project, and must have left after the events of ME 3, or even before ME 2 (not to mention all the other theories going on) i thought I'd point out the most obvious choice for a time of departure. Of course it was obvious right from the start that arkcon was launched before the end of ME3, seeing as avoiding the dilemma those endings created was the only reason we're headed for Andromeda in the first place.

 

In any case, the most logical timeframe for launching the arks is imho towards the end of ME3, specifially between the fall of Thessia and the battle for earth. Right after the fall of Thessia Shepard and the Asari councilor have a chat and the councilor explicitly states the following:

 

"[...]Plans must be put in motion. Continuity of civilization has to be considered. I never imagined this day would come."

 

The council obviously had plans on how to ensure continuity of civilization in case everything else failed. And by that time Sovereign has been dead (and hence been subject to intense research) for 2 - 3 years, which should give the council enough time to derive the required tech for the archs (after all, reaper tech is ME's Phlebotinum and will most likely be the fuel for the arcs) and build a couple of them. Coincidentally, Liara just happened to find the schematics to the most powerful powersource in the galaxy a few months earlier, which would not only be capable of blowing up the whole mass relay network, but could surely be used to power a gigantic ship.

 

 

This also explains, why it was kept a secret. You might not want to spread the word on your emergency plans throughout the galaxy, when the enemy is already invading your colonies. That being said, Reapers were programmed to ensure peace in MW. Even if they knew about arkcon, they might just not care.

[Heimdall]

This has been brought up before.

While I doubt the developers had thought of Andromeda when that was written, I absolutely believe the Arks must be a multi-species if not a Council initiative.

[The Dystopian Hound]

The arks were obviously built before reapers showed up. But did we leave to explore or did we know they were on the way?

[Sartoz]

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I go by this:

 

From this other IGN interview

 

• Big choices from the original trilogy (like the ending) won't impact ME:A
• It's pretty much confirmed that the Andromeda explorers left before the ending of ME3, but when exactly isn't clear ye

[shepskisaac]

The arks were obviously built before reapers showed up. But did we leave to explore or did we know they were on the way?

Pretty much the last remaining question. Leaning towards the former as my guess what they 'picked' as story excuse for the Ark expedition.

[Satirist]

This has been brought up before.

While I doubt the developers had thought of Andromeda when that was written, I absolutely believe the Arks must be a multi-species if not a Council initiative.

 

I doubt that too. But it's too convenient an opportunity to pass. Maybe they even thought "Hey, let's just put 2 lines of text somewhere, which we can later claim as foreshadowing of later events".

 

 

The arks were obviously built before reapers showed up. But did we leave to explore or did we know they were on the way?

You don't name a ship "ark" if its purpose is anything less than escaping certain extinction.

 

 

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I go by this:

 

From this other IGN interview

 

• Big choices from the original trilogy (like the ending) won't impact ME:A
• It's pretty much confirmed that the Andromeda explorers left before the ending of ME3, but when exactly isn't clear ye

 

 

yeah, and then there is that. They pretty much confirmed it. Everyone who still claims the arks left after ME3 is simply delusional

[Medhia_Nox]

The notion of spending incalculable resources to make expeditions to the Andromeda Galaxy before knowing there were Reapers is so preposterous.  

 

Our galaxy has an estimated 100 billion stars... you could never have a completely mapped galaxy as it would be changing faster than you could map it.  

 

Forget about another one. 

 

The only viable option is if we HAD to leave... let's say, because some uppity robot cutlefish from beyond time decided it was time for some spring cleaning.

[Ahriman]

Chaos and mass evacuation during Reaper War is surely a great cover for gathering colonists, but

Arks were shown above peaceful Earth and it's the only information we've got so far, even though it doesn't make much sense to me.

Still I'm sure we'll get answer before N7, either through "leaks" or official source.

[shepskisaac]

The notion of spending incalculable resources to make expeditions to the Andromeda Galaxy before knowing there were Reapers is so preposterous.  

 

Our galaxy has an estimated 100 billion stars... you could never have a completely mapped galaxy as it would be changing faster than you could map it.  

 

Forget about another one. 

 

The only viable option is if we HAD to leave... let's say, because some uppity robot cutlefish from beyond time decided it was time for some spring cleaning.

Agree, the expedition seems like a giant waste of cash. And yet, we see Earth in pristine condition, Arks calmly getting contructed out in the open above Earth with no effort to hide anything and all that seemingly not military-attention-grabbing in any way to be mentioned in the original trilogy. So yeah, seems like they picked "expensive expedition" scenario sometime between ME1-ME3 rather than preservation plan.

[Satirist]

Chaos and mass evacuation during Reaper War is surely a great cover for gathering colonists, but

Arks were shown above peaceful Earth and it's the only information we've got so far, even though it doesn't make much sense to me.

Still I'm sure we'll get answer before N7, either through "leaks" or official source.

 

The arks may have been there during construction. "Move along! Nothing to see here, we're just building a new generation of dreadnoughts. No civilians allowed!"

problem solved.

 

Besides, that texture from earth is shown for no more than a split second. The only people who would ever realize it's a texture from north america, are people who spend their spare time on BSN. 99.9% of players won't bother to stop the video at the exact frame to determine whether it is indeed earth or not. so i wouldn't read too much into it, yet.

[capn233]

Besides, that texture from earth is shown for no more than a split second. The only people who would ever realize it's a texture from north america, are people who spend their spare time on BSN.

 

Right, it is plausible that is essentially a placeholder texture.

[Cheviot]

Besides, that texture from earth is shown for no more than a split second. The only people who would ever realize it's a texture from north america, are people who spend their spare time on BSN. 99.9% of players won't bother to stop the video at the exact frame to determine whether it is indeed earth or not. so i wouldn't read too much into it, yet.

I would read a lot into it, considering two things: 1) scenes were chosen for this trailer based on them being complete and 2) Earth appears in the N7 trailer, and we are very specifically traveling away from Earth, unless you're saying they were also using a placeholder solar system too.

[Jedi Comedian]

Consider this: I couldn't care less about Civ continuity, I'm in it for hitting/hitting on people.

[Medhia_Nox]

Consider this: I couldn't care less about Civ continuity, I'm in it for hitting/hitting on people.

 

That's SO Bioware... 

[Dalinne]

Are we considering maybe they removed the fires, the Reapers and the space fight during evacuation for the trailer?

[The Dystopian Hound]

Pretty much the last remaining question. Leaning towards the former as my guess what they 'picked' as story excuse for the Ark expedition.

Most.likely before considering Earth was still intact. The arks would have been destroyed.

[Ahriman]

The arks may have been there during construction. "Move along! Nothing to see here, we're just building a new generation of dreadnoughts. No civilians allowed!"

problem solved.

It's more complex than this, all constructed ships of such size instantly get into news. It's even mentioned in the Codex that Alliance have built 3 dreadnaughts one after another in 2183-2186.

 

Besides, that texture from earth is shown for no more than a split second. The only people who would ever realize it's a texture from north america, are people who spend their spare time on BSN. 99.9% of players won't bother to stop the video at the exact frame to determine whether it is indeed earth or not. so i wouldn't read too much into it, yet.

And people who don't, wouldn't think of any other colony, because they don't know any.

[Jedi Comedian]

That's SO Bioware...

Impossible, what Bioware wants is to make us The Savior as always and not a roguish merc.

[Medhia_Nox]

Impossible, what Bioware wants is to make us The Savior as always and not a roguish merc.

 

A savior that bangs everything that moves.

 

Classic Bioware... 

[Jedi Comedian]

A savior that bangs everything that moves.

Classic Bioware...

One good fok is enough for me.

I'd never call myself a hero nor a savior, all I want is to crack some skulls and make some foked up choices (that and the good fok as a plus).

[Satirist]

I would read a lot into it, considering two things: 1) scenes were chosen for this trailer based on them being complete and 2) Earth appears in the N7 trailer, and we are very specifically traveling away from Earth, unless you're saying they were also using a placeholder solar system too.

 

How would you know for what reason those scenes were shown? It's nothing more than a BTS teaser trailer. Half the scenes in similar trailers for ME 1-3 didn't even end up in the final game. And the N7 teaser only shows a scene zoom out of the sol system, before cutting to a different scene that shows the ark thousands of lightyears outside the milkyway.

In the end, it's just not worth debating this. Maybe it is supposed to show the arks above earth. So what? There are literally a bazillion lame rpg reasons, why those arks could be in orbit around earth at some point or another. And Bioware has long history of ignoring lore if it suits the narrative or gameplay.

 

 

Consider this: I couldn't care less about Civ continuity, I'm in it for hitting/hitting on people.

 

Have you considered not trolling in a thread that you have no interest in and obviously don't plan to contribute anything to?

[fraggle]

The arks were obviously built before reapers showed up. But did we leave to explore or did we know they were on the way?

 

Maybe both

I guess it's safe to say this is all well before the Reapers invade. Otherwise all these races on the ark would know about the Reapers arriving, and when thinking about how Bio wanted to cut ties with the Trilogy as much as possible, then it might make more sense if no one knew the Reapers were actually real. Otherwise they would likely have to talk about escaping them in MEA, I guess (and imagine the fans when mentioning Reapers!! No go.)? I'm thinking it would be highly unrealistic that they wouldn't talk about the biggest threat they'd just escaped. Maybe the Council actually believed the threat, but being f*cking politicians they did not show it on the outside to keep everyone calm, and instead they made the super secret plan to go to Andromeda. I guess I could imagine them luring people in under the pretense of adventuring, exploring, that they're looking for brave men and women while covering up that they all do this because of the Reapers. It's a stretch, but... oh well. I guess we will see It will definitely be very exciting to see how they explain it.

Other than that, to me the line delivered at the end, "We made it.", sounds just like a huge relief that they actually arrived, not that they escaped the Reapers. Which can be seen as the same, I guess... hard to explain I might read too much into the voice acting, but I feel this way.

[UpUpAway]

Agree, the expedition seems like a giant waste of cash. And yet, we see Earth in pristine condition, Arks calmly getting contructed out in the open above Earth with no effort to hide anything and all that seemingly not military-attention-grabbing in any way to be mentioned in the original trilogy. So yeah, seems like they picked "expensive expedition" scenario sometime between ME1-ME3 rather than preservation plan.

 

Where are you seeing ARKs actually being constructed above earth?  In fact, the trailer has a break (only change of angle, perhaps, but perhaps indicative of a greater distance) before the shuttles reach the ARKs and earth is not shown actually below the ARKs.  Also, the ARKs are not shown under construction.  They could have been built somewhere else in secret and travelled towards earth (remaining just out of sight) just prior to the Reaper attack to pick up passengers there and then left the system through the Mars Relay to get to the edge of the galaxy and begin the journey to Andromeda from there.  The Asari (being in denial longer) may have left in ARKs designated for them a little later (perhaps after Thessia).  The ARKs don't necessarily have to leave all at the same time... and it might actually be more prudent if they didn't... a staggered start preventing the entire group from being wiped out if discovered and attacked.

[Jedi Comedian]

How would you know for what reason those scenes were shown? It's nothing more than a BTS teaser trailer. Half the scenes in similar trailers for ME 1-3 didn't even end up in the final game. And the N7 teaser only shows a scene zoom out of the sol system, before cutting to a different scene that shows the ark thousands of lightyears outside the milkyway.
In the end, it's just not worth debating this. Maybe it is supposed to show the arks above earth. So what? There are literally a bazillion lame rpg reasons, why those arks could be in orbit around earth at some point or another. And Bioware has long history of ignoring lore if it suits the narrative or gameplay.



Have you considered not trolling in a thread that you have no interest in and obviously don't plan to contribute anything to?

I wasn't trolling, just expressing how much my character will care about Civ continuity (I'll be roleplaying him as a ruthless (as possible) utilitarian). But don't worry I already said my piece.

[Sartoz]

The notion of spending incalculable resources to make expeditions to the Andromeda Galaxy before knowing there were Reapers is so preposterous.  

 

Our galaxy has an estimated 100 billion stars... you could never have a completely mapped galaxy as it would be changing faster than you could map it.  

 

Forget about another one. 

 

The only viable option is if we HAD to leave... let's say, because some uppity robot cutlefish from beyond time decided it was time for some spring cleaning.

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And yet, the game will start in the Andromeda's  Helius Cluster. So, the time, energy, and resources were spent. Besides, with a possible galaxy wide apocalypse coming along, worrying about credits is absolutely stupid.