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[Armass81]

it would be kinda nice, if they had the arks in some secret place waiting for departure, along with the passengers, and after the Thessia mission in ME3, the council gives green light to launch them.

[Kabooooom]

The notion of spending incalculable resources to make expeditions to the Andromeda Galaxy before knowing there were Reapers is so preposterous.

Our galaxy has an estimated 100 billion stars... you could never have a completely mapped galaxy as it would be changing faster than you could map it.

Forget about another one.

The only viable option is if we HAD to leave... let's say, because some uppity robot cutlefish from beyond time decided it was time for some spring cleaning.

This, I agree with - which is why a ME2-3 departure still is very plausible. There was only PUBLIC denial of the Reapers. Secretly, the Citadel dlc shows the Council knew and took the threat very seriously.

[NRieh]

 

Arks were shown above peaceful Earth

How do we know that it's really peaceful? It's not burning, but it won't have to be burning all the time 100%, will it? It actually looked even a bit too dark for me. 

[Mistic]

This has been brought up before.

While I doubt the developers had thought of Andromeda when that was written, I absolutely believe the Arks must be a multi-species if not a Council initiative.

 

I've been thinking the same, until I read something that made me have doubts.

 

Mass Effect games have a (regretable) tendency to paint Humanity as these Special Snowflakes that are better at everything or are so genetically attractive that mechanical monstrosities want our bodies to make children. We also know that the Council didn't want to hear the truth about the Reapers. The Alliance didn't either, but at least there were several important people in the organization that saw the light (Anderson, Hackett). Add Shepard's detention period, the Arrival incident, and it seems the Alliance was expecting a Reaper attack in the end.

 

Since the ME:A promotional material has kept repeating that this is a "human story", what if the Arks are an Alliance-led project with some cooperation from other equally enlightened members of other races? Think of the Normandy. Yes, it was a collaborative effort between Humans and Turians, but in the end the ship was a project by the Alliance and for the Alliance, to use it, command it and put their people in it as they saw fit. That would also explain why the Arks in the trailer seemed to be orbitting Earth.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't want this theory to be true, but I can't say it isn't impossible.

[Heimdall]

I've been thinking the same, until I read something that made me have doubts.

Mass Effect games have a (regretable) tendency to paint Humanity as these Special Snowflakes that are better at everything or are so genetically attractive that mechanical monstrosities want our bodies to make children. We also know that the Council didn't want to hear the truth about the Reapers. The Alliance didn't either, but at least there were several important people in the organization that saw the light (Anderson, Hackett). Add Shepard's detention period, the Arrival incident, and it seems the Alliance was expecting a Reaper attack in the end.

Since the ME:A promotional material has kept repeating that this is a "human story", what if the Arks are an Alliance-led project with some cooperation from other equally enlightened members of other races? Think of the Normandy. Yes, it was a collaborative effort between Humans and Turians, but in the end the ship was a project by the Alliance and for the Alliance, to use it, command it and put their people in it as they saw fit. That would also explain why the Arks in the trailer seemed to be orbitting Earth.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want this theory to be true, but I can't say it isn't impossible.

Maybe, but I'm still skeptical about that shot of earth.

I'm expecting a retcon, that the Council really was concerned with the reapers and organized this project. I imagine the "human story" focus is because we'll be focusing on the human part of this project, not the whole project.

[Drone223]

Maybe, but I'm still skeptical about that shot of earth.

I'm expecting a retcon, that the Council really was concerned with the reapers and organized this project. I imagine the "human story" focus is because we'll be focusing on the human part of this project, not the whole project.

Bioware and retcon's aren't a good mix, not to mention its quite obvious in the trilogy that the council clearly buried the heads in the sands about the reaper threat.

[Heimdall]

Bioware and retcon's aren't a good mix, not to mention its quite obvious in the trilogy that the council clearly buried the heads in the sands about the reaper threat.

That's how they wrote it, but it honestly wouldn't be much of a shift if they changed it so they were just denying knowledge to a Cerberus affiliated Shepard (Sensible) while actually building contingencies.

[Gwydden]

That's how they wrote it, but it honestly wouldn't be much of a shift if they changed it so they were just denying knowledge to a Cerberus affiliated Shepard (Sensible) while actually building contingencies.

It'll certainly help make them look less like incompetent morons.

[LisuPL]

... I think, that by

"Continuity of civilization has to be considered"

 

that Asari actually meant

 

"Gawd, I left the cake in the oven!"

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And yet, the game will start in the Andromeda's  Helius Cluster. So, the time, energy, and resources were spent. Besides, with a possible galaxy wide apocalypse coming along, worrying about credits is absolutely stupid.

 

Even in spring 1945 the German government had to pay the arms manufacturers for tanks and rifles. 

 

Even as their world started to burn at their very feet money and profit still played a major role. 

[Drone223]

That's how they wrote it, but it honestly wouldn't be much of a shift if they changed it so they were just denying knowledge to a Cerberus affiliated Shepard (Sensible) while actually building contingencies.

Except Anderson could be the councilor and he's isn't one to keep secrets from Shepard. Not to mention since the ships are clearly seen orbiting earth (the great lakes are visible) there is no why the ark project could be kept secret from Shepard.

[Iakus]

... I think, that by

"Continuity of civilization has to be considered"

 

that Asari actually meant

 

"Gawd, I left the cake in the oven!"

I think it meant:

 

"Carefully selected asari hiding in bunkers with a harem of vorcha"

[Heimdall]

Except Anderson could be the councilor and he's isn't one to keep secrets from Shepard. Not to mention since the ships are clearly seen orbiting earth (the great lakes are visible) there is no why the ark project could be kept secret from Shepard.

They'll just write it that Shepard was affiliated with Cerberus and the other Councilors pressured him into staying quiet on that point. If the Arks really launch pre-ME3, then by that time there was no point.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Except Anderson could be the councilor and he's isn't one to keep secrets from Shepard. Not to mention since the ships are clearly seen orbiting earth (the great lakes are visible) there is no why the ark project could be kept secret from Shepard.

What? Anderson has kept secrets from Shepard before.

[Drone223]

They'll just write it that Shepard was affiliated with Cerberus and the other Councilors pressured him into staying quiet on that point. If the Arks really launch pre-ME3, then by that time there was no point.

I seriously doubt Anderson or the council for that matter (since they are willing to give him/her Specter status back) believe Shepard is truly affiliated with Cerberus, the partnership between Shepard and Cerberus is mutually beneficial at best.

[Heimdall]

I seriously doubt Anderson or the council for that matter (since they are willing to give him/her Specter status back) believe Shepard is truly affiliated with Cerberus, the partnership between Shepard and Cerberus is mutually beneficial at best.

Even so, there's enough ambiguity that they might not want to share their most closely guarded secrets with Shepard.

[Jukaga]

I wonder if they'll make a version of the Keep (the Shipyard?) for ME:A. As said, major choices won't shine through but maybe the flavor ones taken before the departure will get a mention or two or affect a side quest. They can't dodge ME3 forever, eventually the ME story HAS to go back to the Milky Way.

[Drone223]

Even so, there's enough ambiguity that they might not want to share their most closely guarded secrets with Shepard.

Giving how massive the ark ships are there is no way it could be kept secret for long Cerberus and the shadow broker would eventually learn of its existence. So Shepard would've known about the arks one way or the other.

[The Dystopian Hound]

Except Anderson could be the councilor and he's isn't one to keep secrets from Shepard. Not to mention since the ships are clearly seen orbiting earth (the great lakes are visible) there is no why the ark project could be kept secret from Shepard.

The Shepard doesn't need to know. He/she not the one leading it. He/she has their own problems.

[Malanek]

Even so, there's enough ambiguity that they might not want to share their most closely guarded secrets with Shepard.

It's not just with Shepard though. I have absolutely no problem with the councilors, including Anderson, withholding information from Shepard about any ark contingency plan. He doesn't need to know. What I do find inconceivable is that they would withhold the fact they actually believed in the Reapers, there is no benefit in that. Anderson believes the others do not believe. Their general behavior in preparing for the Reapers if they had believed from an earlier stage is also utterly wrong. 

 

I am pretty certain we are going to get some less than water tight story telling to get us to Andromeda, but I still hope they do the best they can and there are better ways of doing it than tying it to what the Asari was saying here.

 

I think the best way to get there would have been a wormhole opening up and swallowing a bunch of ships immediately after the crucible was activated. But they are clearly not doing that. The next best way would be a third party group, that had nothing to do with the politicians, being behind the entire plan. There is nothing that contradicts this in the story so far. It still has the problem that there is not really a good explanation as to why they simply don't turn around once the Reapers are defeated, but at least it has fewer problems.

[Heimdall]

Giving how massive the ark ships are there is no way it could be kept secret for long Cerberus and the shadow broker would eventually learn of its existence. So Shepard would've known about the arks one way or the other.

Space is big, and filled with uninhabited out of the way systems. Their size isn't really a factor in keeping them hidden. Cerberus and the Shadow Broker aren't omniscient. They don't know everything. This can just be one of those things they don't know.

[Monk]

I wonder if they'll make a version of the Keep (the Shipyard?) for ME:A. As said, major choices won't shine through but maybe the flavor ones taken before the departure will get a mention or two or affect a side quest. They can't dodge ME3 forever, eventually the ME story HAS to go back to the Milky Way.

 

I think they're going to space themselves as much as possible from it because, if what Flynn said was true, they were shocked over the reactions about the endings, which would reflect heavily on ME3 and the choices made up to the endings.

[Malanek]

Giving how massive the ark ships are there is no way it could be kept secret for long Cerberus and the shadow broker would eventually learn of its existence. So Shepard would've known about the arks one way or the other.

Cerberus and Liara had their attention diverted to other areas. We don't know everything the previous shadow broker knew because we killed it. We do know it believed in the Reapers and was looking for means to escape, hell it could have even been the previous shadow broker who was partly responsible for starting this. It would be a stretch for a multi government task force to keep this a secret, but a private organisation is more equipped for that.

[Malanek]

I wonder if they'll make a version of the Keep (the Shipyard?) for ME:A. As said, major choices won't shine through but maybe the flavor ones taken before the departure will get a mention or two or affect a side quest. They can't dodge ME3 forever, eventually the ME story HAS to go back to the Milky Way.

Very unlikely they will make any sort of choice import tool. When asked a question about importing choices like the ME3 ending, Mac replied... 

 

"I think, aside from the fact that we said the Mass Effect trilogy was a trilogy for Shepard’s story, which we have concluded, we were very careful to make sure that big choices like that wouldn’t impact your decisions."

"From that, you can probably infer the timing of when they left, to a certain degree."

 

To me this means they leave even before the Krogan may or may not get the genophage cured. I don't think there will be any decisions imported at all and I think that is a good move. They will leave the problem of the milky way if and when they ever decide to make another game there. It will be easier to set a default story state there in another 10 years than annoy some people now (even though I think that would have been the best way to go).

[Arcian]

Space is big, and filled with uninhabited out of the way systems. Their size isn't really a factor in keeping them hidden. Cerberus and the Shadow Broker aren't omniscient. They don't know everything. This can just be one of those things they don't know.

Sol is not an "uninhabited out of the way system". Anyone with a radar and/or ladar would have been able to detect the arks in Earth's orbit with ease.