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[Laughing_Man]

I think it's something like, some people are unable to get what they want from X so they torture, whereas others can get what they want more easily because they possess some other skill.

 

The moral question isn't about the validity of torture but whether you should allow people who need that extra edge to get what they need to do so.

 

Things are hardly ever that cut and dry. Sometimes there's a time element, sometimes there are other factors.

 

Sometimes by not using torture you might condemn innocents to death, etc.

(or have a nuclear bomb explode inside a city if we take the Jack Bauer angle)

 

If you don't allow any kind of torture and make it public that this is your policy, there's a bigger chance that someone (especially a fanatic)

will simply not talk because he knows that you can't really threaten him with anything.

[LightningPoodle]

First you make an incision into the victim's abdomen and insert a sort of small grappling hook, ensuring it's properly entwined with their innards (but not immediately fatally).
 
The grappling hook is on a rope, which loops over a tree branch overhanging a cliff.
 
You tie the other end of the rope around the victim's neck and threaten to push them off the cliff unless they tell you everything they know...
 
 
... then you push them off anyway and you get to shout "wheeeeeeee!" as the weight of their falling body draws their own entrails out; you can even take bets beforehand as to whether they'll hit the ground first or run out of entrails.
 
Is that far enough?

****** hell...

And I thought I was sick.

[Hammerstorm]

First you make an incision into the victim's abdomen and insert a sort of small grappling hook, ensuring it's properly entwined with their innards (but not immediately fatally).

 

The grappling hook is on a rope, which loops over a tree branch overhanging a cliff.

 

You tie the other end of the rope around the victim's neck and threaten to push them off the cliff unless they tell you everything they know...

 

 

... then you push them off anyway and you get to shout "wheeeeeeee!" as the weight of their falling body draws their own entrails out; you can even take bets beforehand as to whether they'll hit the ground first or run out of entrails.

 

Is that far enough?

 

That is not a very good torture method. What if the "victim" refuse to tell you? Are you just going to push him/her over?

[Jedi Comedian]

That is not a very good torture method. What if the "victim" refuse to tell you? Are you just going to push him/her over?

I for one couldn't care less about what they know or not.

They need punishment anyway.

[Jedi Comedian]

****** hell...

And I thought I was sick.

The BSN is a sick entity. Most of us simply play along.

[Serza]

No, and go **** yourself.

 

Torture in GTA V made Rockstar incredibly hypocritical, and I can't respect them ever since.

I won't have BioWare go down the same path as long as my feedback can change it.

[wolfsite]

Reading a lot of these threads can be seen as torture so that should sate you.

[Hammerstorm]

I for one couldn't care less about what they know or not.

They need punishment anyway.

 

so you only want to torture for the fun? That is low chance for that,

 

Punishment for what? shooting at you for shooting at them? 

Maybe you need punishment.

[Jedi Comedian]

so you only want to torture for the fun? That is low chance for that,

Punishment for what? shooting at you for shooting at them?
Maybe you need punishment.

I never start fights, but I always end them, as painfully as possible. Punishers don't get to be punished.

[Hammerstorm]

I never start fights, but I always end them, as painfully as possible. Punishers don't get to be punished.

 

I am more "the least effort for the most efficiency" kind of guy. Easier to just leave them with a bullet to the head.

 

Well the point is, who decide who is the punisher? it is all about perspective. (granted, as it is a game we most likely are in the right )

[wolfsite]

I'll let the crew speak there mind

 

[KaiserShep]

Reading a lot of these threads can be seen as torture so that should sate you.

 

 

[RagingCalgarian]

I feel like interrogation would be sufficient. Torture doesn't really fit in a BW game. If we're going to do anything gruesome like that, I'd prefer having alien autopsy scenes on the unknown Andromedan species like in xcom

 

Why doesn't it fit? We've already had Bioware games with torture ( ie - ME2, and SWTOR).

[Laughing_Man]

I'll let the crew speak there mind

 

Ignoring the subject itself and the merit of this act in particular, this is less the characters themselves talking, and more the writer preaching through them.

[aoibhealfae]

Light Sided Sith in SWTOR seem to terrify people even more, because no-one knows how to handle a Sith who's actually nice. Especially when they offer to let them go exchange for some information and then hold up their end of the deal... it has to be a trick, right?

 

Everyone is the Bad Cop in the Sith Empire, so the Good Cop comes across as far scarier because it's that unexpected.

 

My Wrath is more neutral pragmatic at the moment. With some LS choice, I made her to be pro-Imperial and honorable which surprised some stuck up Jedis. Baras made her go on DS frenzy around Act 2 (she did "kill" her light side on Tatooine) until Act 3 where she started questioning her allegiance. I love the arc in Rise of the Emperor, Vitiate tried to make her kill the Jedis, she choose to ignore him and save them instead which infuriates him "That is not the proper way of a Sith Lord!"... always made me laugh. Best reaction ever. I still kill the Jedi Master in dreads since she begged me to kill her and its kinda apt... the Jedi became corrupted by the dark side, the Sith understands what needs to be done and having the strength to cleanse it. I like it, since it make the story less black and white.

 

 

Curiously enough, I'm starting to see Jedi sometimes abuse their power. Force Persuading is actually a DS action, you are mind controlling someone, even if its for the greater good but you're taking their choice away. And self-righteousness is heavy on the LS. Totally fake.

[Seraphim24]

I played my Sith Inquisitor every single evil choice, not even like a single light side the whole time just to see what it was like.

 

Yeah I was like breaking the dark side meter.

[aoibhealfae]

My Sith Sorceror is pure DS (only occasional LS point for that Balmorra heroic), she's a bratty chav but boy, she's psychotic. Crazy murder path is the only way to go. My Jedi Sentinel is pure LS but in KOTFE, she started to crack under Valkorion's influence again but I think the animosity between Wrath and him was more realistic than snowflake JK. 

 

As for the rest, the game feel more balanced and fun when I choose alignment depending on my mood. Being pragmatic is great especially in Consular's arc (which can be unbearable as LS) and there's more flexibility when you're not locked to a certain alignment as in Mass Effect.

[mrjack]

Anyone who would break under torture would break under the threat of torture. Anyone who is able to withstand it for any substantial length of time is, more often than not, likely to lie. This is on top of the fact that an enemy combatant is still a human being (or alien equivalent) fighting for a cause he or she believes in. Would you expect your own soldiers to suffer torture? Is it right to do it because the enemy does it?

 

They can put the choice to torture someone in the game but I'd have to be RP-ing a physchopath or an idiot to actually go through with it, which is not out of the question but I don't know how much enjoyment I would get out of playing those characters after making decisions like this.

[Seraphim24]

My Sith Sorceror is pure DS (only occasional LS point for that Balmorra heroic), she's a bratty chav but boy, she's psychotic. Crazy murder path is the only way to go. My Jedi Sentinel is pure LS but in KOTFE, she started to crack under Valkorion's influence again but I think the animosity between Wrath and him was more realistic than snowflake JK. 

 

As for the rest, the game feel more balanced and fun when I choose alignment depending on my mood. Being pragmatic is great especially in Consular's arc (which can be unbearable as LS) and there's more flexibility when you're not locked to a certain alignment as in Mass Effect.

 

I had a Jedi Knight pure LS as well I don't know why it just feels interesting to play that way for some reason (all one or all the other) even though realistically I'd play in between at times.

[Serza]

I'll let the crew speak there mind

 

 

Thank you. Precisely.

 

Why doesn't it fit? We've already had Bioware games with torture ( ie - ME2, and SWTOR).

 

Because if you must kill, double tap the other guy and move on. There are more targets in line. It is also clean.

 

If they're captive, apply only as much pressure to make them comply. A sole rifle trained at them is sufficient in vast majority of cases. Mag in, rifle cocked, safety off, finger off the trigger. That is your safety, and you only need to move the same three muscles as if you finger was on that trigger in the first place.

[aoibhealfae]

I had a Jedi Knight pure LS as well I don't know why it just feels interesting to play that way for some reason (all one or all the other) even though realistically I'd play in between at times.

 

Jedi Knight was more in line with traditional Star Wars feels. I enjoy her less since its quite predictable (or a watered down Revan in KoTOR...), at least the character was further expanded in KOTFE. I like how I could see her having trouble with her faith in the Jedi code, she have a hard time seeing the grey in things and also struggled trusting Lana. 

Either way, I have mirrored class so I have different combination of how I play the characters. Sith Inquisitor's lightning are way too handy to torture people, but I remember in Sith Consular arc where you can choose to rescue someone from burning to death or rescue some medical data and potentially save more people. A bit too much for a Jedi to watch someone getting roast alive..... I don't shock Vette that much.. kinda boring after a while.

 

There's also one moment as Wrath where I could throw a couple of Jedi Knights into an acid bath. Also as a Bounty Hunter, once I kick an alien into lava. Reminds me of Dragon Age Awakening. Just like old times.

[ForgottenWarrior]

Everything for your sick desires ^^

[Halfdan The Menace]

What is the oldest torture method in human history? we may need to use them, for tradition sake.