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[Hiemoth]

But that's not precisely the same thing as being involved in the process. It's not crazy for a player to have internalized the message that, while there will be a lot of bad things happening in the game world, the PC won't be implicated in any of them. Being able to get out of the tough decisions has been a thing with Bio for a long time.

 

Oh completely true and that goes to the subjective experience. I guess my counter-argument is that one of the ways ME3 avoids having to give in to that is that it takes a lot of those heavy body count moments out of the players control and instead makes them the stage on which things happen. For example, Shepard goes to Palaven and sees the utter destruction caused by the Reapers, leaving it all behind.

 

That all is a part of the individual experience and I don't think a player's subjective experience on the game being a B level action movie where Shepard constantly wins could be argued. Where I have difficulties is dismissing that information provided by the game off-hand and even furthermore being shocked that the game that has constantly shown you the carnage and hopelessness of the Reaper War suddenly once again reminds the player of the shock and carnage of the Reaper War in a more direct manner.

[Medhia_Nox]

So, where are we at now with our truth seeking?

Did they really screw up? 

 

I need to know before I pre-order my cancellation!!

[Umaya]

This game gonna be so bad, Garbage will play the OST.

[Hammerstorm]

So, where are we at now with our truth seeking?

Did they really screw up? 

 

I need to know before I pre-order my cancellation!!

 

Still under investigation. 

[Hexxagone]

Did you skip over my last reply? ONE Andromedan is a fan theory, not confirmed by ANYONE at Bioware. You are jumping to conclusions. The only reliable information directly from the developers are in the twitter threads. Take every theory, wish, want, concern, suggestion, and troll thread with a grain of salt.

Oh I believe it, that sounds so stupid that its 100% believable that Bioware would do that

[Medhia_Nox]

Still under investigation. 

 

Man, this investigation is what's being really screwed up!

How am I supposed to know if I'm going to upgrade my pre-order cancellation to the collectors edition if I don't even know if they screwed up!?

 

I only have several months!

[Cheviot]

Bioware fucked up ME3 so bad that they turned Andromeda into a carbon copy of the last games so they can continue the franchise without deviating from their formula.

It was well within their power to continue in the Milky Way if they wanted to, by, for example canonising an ending, but the fact is, they wanted to start again, to reinvigorate the series.

[PinkysBrain]

It was within their power, but the canonization would rob the ending of it's intended DEEPness. You are supposed to agonize about the choice and find some measure of meaning in it. To have that destroyed in retrospect by declaring one supreme voids the artistic intention.

 

A canonized ending would destroy the artistic integrity of the ME3 ending almost as much as a retcon.

[bEVEsthda]

They wrote themselves into such a corner with ME3 that this "reboot" barely qualifies as one

 

Cant use the Normany so just design the Tempest to look like Normandy 3.0

 

Go to another galaxy but drag along every race from the Milky Way because they don't want to let them go

 

Cant use the Citadel so just design the Ark to be a mini Citadel

 

Cant use Shepard but still have an N7 character

 

Main character still working for an official organization

 

 

Its funny and sad at the same time. I was hoping for drastic changes, but I guess Mass Effect Andromeda is just going to turn out to be Mass Effect 4.

 

That's a really, really good point.

 

However: - What if that is the game many ME-fans would want? Apparently, Bioware believes so and I have no good argument for why they would be wrong.

[Hammerstorm]

Man, this investigation is what's being really screwed up!

How am I supposed to know if I'm going to upgrade my pre-order cancellation to the collectors edition if I don't even know if they screwed up!?

 

I only have several months!

 

Hey! Cool down or I will be forced to investigate YOU to.

 

The investigation will take the time it need. We will not let it be compromised by some crazy hotshot.

[JPVNG]

They wrote themselves into such a corner with ME3 that this "reboot" barely qualifies as one

 

Cant use the Normany so just design the Tempest to look like Normandy 3.0

 

Go to another galaxy but drag along every race from the Milky Way because they don't want to let them go

 

Cant use the Citadel so just design the Ark to be a mini Citadel

 

Cant use Shepard but still have an N7 character

 

Main character still working for an official organization

 

 

Its funny and sad at the same time. I was hoping for drastic changes, but I guess Mass Effect Andromeda is just going to turn out to be Mass Effect 4.

 

Drastics changes?? why? why change what in the most part was very well done? Mass Effect if it wants to be a long last saga like star trek has to maintain his core and formula. Improve? yes ofcourse..but drastic changes?? it wouldn't be Mass Effect anymore. 

 

So, i do not agree.

[Norhik Krios]

Because it never happened before, that a series had a reboot, was viewed from another perspective or the creators just did what the fu*k they wanted to and took their creative right and went with it.


No, everything is always connected to screw ups.  

[Kierro Ren]

"THIS FOOD ISNT FRESH!"

 

Most food, if kept sealed, can last past its due date. Thanks to preservatives.

[Onuris22]

MEA stinks of a quasi parallel timeline universe now. The ME continuity is flushed just to circumvent fixing the error of the ME3 endings. The infuriating problem is that Bioware has been stepping all over player choices for a while, but avoiding this is just a weak willed cop out. I wouldn't of had any misgivings if MEA legitimately started post ME3 in a way that quickly glossed over what had happen while launching to Andromeda even if it steps on all our previous ME choices.

I can see it now instead of MEA getting a direct sequel they will go back to the same point it launches from and just send another crew to another galaxy so we will end up with Mass Effect :

Black Eye?

Bode's?

Cartwheel?

Cigar?

Comet?

Cosmos Redshift 7?

Hoag's Object?

Large Magellanic Cloud?

Small Magellanic Cloud?

Mayall's Object?

Pinwheel?

Sombrero?

Sunflower?

Tadpole?

Whirlpool?

 

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But seriously, I get if you don't like the story they've chosen, but the rest you describe is just letting your disappointment drive you to silly conclusions with no real basis. At this point I don't think you'd have been happy unless they basically made a game that wasn't Mass Effect and just called something else. That's a lie, I'm pretty sure you'd be skeptical and hating on that as well until you played it (if you played it,) which I guess is natural if you didn't like things in the past...but carrying baggage forward without objectively looking at stuff just clouds your sight.

 

I'd say it's just to early to really make a 100% decision on it, from what we've seen anyway. I don't believe my posts will change your mind, but I do hope more information might and that you can enjoy the game, assuming it's good (which I think it will be, but I'm always open to being wrong/cautious.)

[Linkenski]

Needless to say, the controversial ending which many, despite all, deemed as being overdramatized has tainted the series for good.

 

I just hope I can enjoy Andromeda without being reminded of the trilogy too much. I feel the more they reference the previous canon, the more I will get unimmersed because you just can't really tie the two things together very well IMO.

[capn233]

The endings aren't a hornet's nest, people are not going to flip their **** over BioWare finally fixing the mistake they've made. The real reason why they're not touching the endings is because 1, the guy who wrote them still works at BioWare, 2, that guy is now the head honcho of the entire story department of the ME franchise and 3, that guy doesn't want his work invalidated just because millions of fans thought his work was complete crap.

 

This response is on page 1.   How did this thread get to be 12 pages?

 

If I was king of bioware and in charge of ME I would probably keep the game in MWG, and I would "retcon the ****" out of the endings.

 

I would go on twitter or wherever and say "Yeah, ME3 had some stupid endings.  We are making a non-stupid ending canon."

 

If a couple people cry about ignoring their idiotic choice, which of course makes no sense, I would tell them to file it up their cloaca.

[dreamgazer]

If I was king of bioware and in charge of ME I would probably keep the game in MWG, and I would "retcon the ****" out of the endings.

Then you've still got three games of diverging choices to deal with in ME4, assuming there weren't any divergences in this retconned ending.

Problem remains.

[capn233]

Then you've still got three games of diverging choices to deal with in ME4, assuming there weren't any divergences in this retconned ending.

Problem remains.

 

There aren't really any diverging choices.  Look at the trilogy, most everything happens similarly regardless of player choice.

 

And set a couple hundred years after the reaper war, it isn't likely that any small difference would matter.

 

"Oh Shepard slept with Miranda instead of Tali.  That's why the Far Rim cluster spontaneously exploded."

[dreamgazer]

There aren't really any diverging choices.  Look at the trilogy, most everything happens similarly regardless of player choice.

Except for the life or death of entire species, of course.

I thought choices mattering was important to disgruntled Mass Effect fans. If the entire trilogy didn't have any diverging choices, why did that matter?

[Iakus]

Except for the life or death of entire species, of course.

I thought choices mattering was important to disgruntled Mass Effect fans. If the entire trilogy didn't have any diverging choices, why did that matter?

Yeah those species could mean a couple hundred points in War Assets!

[dreamgazer]

Yeah those species could mean a couple hundred points in War Assets!

Which, ultimately, mattered. But that's neither here nor there. We're talking about the story going forward.

[Iakus]

Which, ultimately, mattered. But that's neither here nor there. We're talking about the story going forward.

Still doesn't matter.

 

You can sabotage the genophage cure and nuke the fertile females the krogan have left, they're still coming back in Andromeda.

 

Nothing matters

[dreamgazer]

Still doesn't matter.
 
You can sabotage the genophage cure and nuke the fertile females the krogan have left, they're still coming back in Andromeda.

Well, yeah, indeed they are, but that's kind of a tick in favor of Andromeda.

[AlanC9]

Anyway, it's just a fact of the situation, assuming a pre-Tuchanka departure.

[Hexxagone]

Still doesn't matter.
 
You can sabotage the genophage cure and nuke the fertile females the krogan have left, they're still coming back in Andromeda.
 
Nothing matters

DING DING DING

And we have a winner ladies and gentlemen! Bioware was so unimaginative and desperate to continue where they left off that they dragged along the Milky Way races. Making your endings meaningless and having Andormeda be a carbon copy of the last trilogy so they can pick up where they left off instead of doing something drastic and different.