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[AlanC9]

2) It states that the Synthetic/Organic conflict is an innevitability. It will always occur and it will always result in the destruction of organic life. Its proven wrong, in game, several times. (Some people say its just one example and thus can't be held as an absolute refute of the claim. Doylist/literary reasons however are quite clear in this regard on how it 'breaks' literarry rules.)

Wait a second. For this statement to break those rules, wouldn't the Catalyst actually have to be proven right? There's no evidence it's right; in fact, the long-term success of Destroy is evidence that it's wrong. Bio could have had an AI Stargazer talking about how Shepard nobly permitted the rise of synthetics, which would have either been awesome or weapons-grade trolling, depending on the viewer. But they didn't do that.

That means that the entire united fleet of ships would be stuck in the Sol system. Communication would be entirely cut off from the other planets, they'd be trapped there which would mean that a great many people are going to be starving to death within a handful of months with no way to escape the system.

Meaning team dextro? Everyone else can eat Earth food. I agree that the turians are SOL if the quarians are destroyed at Rannoch, though I suppose some fraction could be saved with stasis pods. But if the quarians are still around, their liveships are present.
 

Furthermore, the Catalysts' very existence invalidates ME1 in its entirety. The reason for ME1's conflict was that Sovereign needed to reach the Citadel to activate the relay. The Catalyst IS the Citadel. He has control of its systems, as seen by the fact that it could use its space elevator to bring Shepard up from the primary control room of the space station.

Control of one system doesn't imply control of all systems. A paraplegic can move his hand, but not his leg.

-Drew Karpyshin, was the writer for ME1 and a good chunk of ME2. (Personally I find him arrogant and inconsiderate of other people's works/opinions but relatively competent when it comes to writing.)

Relatively. He's the guy who dug the hole ME3 fell into, and from all evidence he had no idea how to avoid his hole either.

[CronoDragoon]

Control of one system doesn't imply control of all systems. A paraplegic can move his hand, but not his leg.

 

True, but then we have to explain why the Catalyst would build the Citadel but not permit itself control of all systems when necessary. I suppose you could say the Protheans' disc fried some of his connections there.

[AngryFrozenWater]

True, but then we have to explain why the Catalyst would build the Citadel but not permit itself control of all systems when necessary. I suppose you could say the Protheans' disc fried some of his connections there.

Let's try this one:

 

We know that the reapers hibernate in dark space between harvests. Because Sovereign was required to periodically wake up from hibernation to check upon the state of the civilizations, we can assume that the Catalyst is hibernating as well. It doesn't wait 50K years to just open the arms to let Sovereign into the Citadel. So Saren, ordered by Sovereign for story reasons (we have to fight something), was required to wake up the Catalyst. The rest of the station is run by the untouchable keepers, even during hibernation.

 

Once the Catalyst was awake it opened the arms and started preparations for the harvest.

[Seraphim24]

They wrote themselves into such a corner with ME3 that this "reboot" barely qualifies as one

 

Cant use the Normany so just design the Tempest to look like Normandy 3.0

 

Go to another galaxy but drag along every race from the Milky Way because they don't want to let them go

 

Cant use the Citadel so just design the Ark to be a mini Citadel

 

Cant use Shepard but still have an N7 character

 

Main character still working for an official organization

 

 

Its funny and sad at the same time. I was hoping for drastic changes, but I guess Mass Effect Andromeda is just going to turn out to be Mass Effect 4.

 

 

It's essentially one giant huge ret-con, similar to DA:I but with ME, so they'll keep all the major elements in tact while transmuting the positions of the key players so that yeah it'll be basically the exact same experience but essentially adjusted to meet a totally different perspective.

[AlanC9]

True, but then we have to explain why the Catalyst would build the Citadel but not permit itself control of all systems when necessary. I suppose you could say the Protheans' disc fried some of his connections there.

Yep. I chose "paraplegic" because it implies damage. We have no information about what the Prothean scientists did, so....

[ld1449]

I'm curious about the thievery part.

 

The endings are basically a cheap cut/paste of the Deus Ex endings from yonder years.

 

(Coincidentally this was Casey Hudson's admittedly "favorite game of all time" His words, not mine, at least according to his twitter statements)

 

So, yes, Thievery

[ld1449]

Yep. I chose "paraplegic" because it implies damage. We have no information about what the Prothean scientists did, so....

 

But then you have to explain;

 

A. How did the Prothean Scientists learn of the Catalysts existence

 

B. How they were able to damage it considering the vast difference in technological power and thinking speed a Reaper overlord *should* have available to him in order to stop/sabotage/circumvent/recover from their efforts.

 

C. Why Sovereign was ever needed in the first place since everything the reapers used the Citadel for (Relay control, information download, hard hitting tactics that disorganized the whole galaxy etc) could have been acomplished far more efficiently by the Catalyst itself, rather than utilizing Sovereign who only woke up to periodically scan. The Catalyst would have had a front row seat to the Galactic forefront of power and would be able to make a judgement call on his own, rather than the literal equivalent of having a manservant tell you when he thinks its the proper time for you to take a ****.

[KaiserShep]

The endings are basically a cheap cut/paste of the Deus Ex endings from yonder years.

 

(Coincidentally this was Casey Hudson's admittedly "favorite game of all time" His words, not mine, at least according to his twitter statements)

 

So, yes, Thievery

 

 

I guess the word here would be plagiarism. [/pedantry]

[AlanC9]

@ld1449: That's just a restatement of the utter implausibility of the scenario presented in ME1.

[Iakus]

The endings are basically a cheap cut/paste of the Deus Ex endings from yonder years.

 

(Coincidentally this was Casey Hudson's admittedly "favorite game of all time" His words, not mine, at least according to his twitter statements)

 

So, yes, Thievery

More like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.  Push button=get cutscene voiceover

 

In the original, you could at least talk to individuals who favored particular outcomes and had to meet particular quest objectives on the final map in order to trigger them (more than "shoot this pipe" or "grab those control rods")

 

Plus Denton definitively survives in at least one ending (the Illuminati one, where we see him being mentored by Morgan Everett as its newest member.  How much of Denton survives merging with Helios or whether he could outrun the nuclear explosion in the new Dark Age ending is more "lots of speculation for everyone"

 

At least until Invisible War came out and smooshed all teh endings togther.

[Jukaga]

Honestly sometimes I think they should have let the MEU end with 3 and start a new sci-fi IP with a clean slate. As threads like this show, ME:A will never be free of Shepard's baggage.

[General TSAR]

They wrote themselves into such a corner with ME3 that this "reboot" barely qualifies as one

 

Cant use the Normany so just design the Tempest to look like Normandy 3.0

 

Go to another galaxy but drag along every race from the Milky Way because they don't want to let them go

 

Cant use the Citadel so just design the Ark to be a mini Citadel

 

Cant use Shepard but still have an N7 character

 

Main character still working for an official organization

 

 

Its funny and sad at the same time. I was hoping for drastic changes, but I guess Mass Effect Andromeda is just going to turn out to be Mass Effect 4.

Yep, the Mass Effect 3 endings are amazing in their intricacy of failure and being able to destroy the setting.