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[deuce985]

Just because it has some familiarity for fans does not mean it's going to lack many new things. I for one am interested to see the dynamics milky way races bring against the inevitable new races we meet in andromeda since technically we're the invaders. I'm sure you'll have plenty of new with familiarity to keep old fans happy. Nothing is wrong with that. Why does everything have to be viewed in such a negative way on this board? No wonder Bioware has abandoned these forums. Jeez.

 

It's good to keep familiarity otherwise you end up with a game like Resident Evil 7 that keeps absolutely none of the core of the previous RE games. It's like NONE of them including the earlier ones. The teaser demo didn't even remember what made the Resident Evil games unique early or not. It was terrible. I'm glad ME:A didn't end up like that. Why even carry a franchise name if you don't plan to carry their heart with you?

[The Dystopian Hound]

Initally that wasn't enough, though a lot of people have chosen that as "their" ending as time goes on.

I felt it was a little selfish killing EDI and the geth instead of using the reaper power for good but I think of Shepard chose that he did because he believed we had the right to chose our own path and figure out our own way to control chaos. He could have told everyone about it. It ******* sucks that EDI and geth had to die, that had very right to live as organics do. I like to think they created a memorial for all the synthetics who gave their lives fighting the reapers. That they may never be forgotten. To be honest,I never beat ME 3. I always wanted to chose control to use the reaper for Good. I don't know. Maybe they should make Destroy canon to continue. Sure people chose different ending but for control and synthesis there is peace. You can imagine how the galaxy's fate plays out. As for destroy it's different. I see no other option but to use that to continue MW. People will see that as a huge middle finger but only two choices lead to guaranteed peace. Maybe something like dragon age keep. Did you choose to cure genophage? Yes. I don't know what else they can do. They should have had a canon ending from the get go but I believe they weren't planning that far ahead in terms of a future for ME hence why we are going to Andromeda.

[ZipZap2000]

Get in the emergency room line.

You are not the boss of me.

[9TailsFox]

I should not be doing this... deep breath (oh and before you all evicerate me just know that I love reading these threads they are mostly very amusing... which is great for free entertainment)

The endings... well without getting too caught up in the colour coding... I think if one of the options gave Shepard the chance to survive it would have been ok... problem was Bioware gave us a character/avatar that quite a lot of us invested a lot in, kinda got close to... and I think a lot of us equate winning with killing the bad guys and getting the 'girl/boy/asari/being of your choice'

 

But I am really looking forward to the next ME game I'm going in open minded and probably open hearted... so shoot me.. now.. go on flame away

Character dieing is not a problem, problem is ending sucks, plot holes, introducing new character in last 10 min of the game, deus ex machine,  Shepard accepting everything enemy who can indoctrinate people say as true. You enemy just say kill yourself and you win and we forced to do it. You want good ending where character dying look at Dragon age Origins, or Telltales the walking dead. If ending was good Bioware wouldn't release free DLC ending explaining why we stupid and didn't understand ending, and DLC "fix" nothing even make some thinks worse, and just middle finger you don't like our ending, SO BE IT everyone dies.

[The Dystopian Hound]

You are not the boss of me.

But I am the boss of you and I order you to do whatever the hell you want.

[PinkysBrain]

The big deal was that Shepard died without you being able to save him, a lot of people were sad

 

Heroic sacrifice is easy to write and will satisfy most people. The problem was Shepard died AND lost. You got to chose out of a couple **** sandwiches and die, the diablo ex machina antagonist had everything go according to his whims. If they had a NG+ ending where you can fight and destroy the Catalyst, preferably screaming and/or begging, somehow weakening the reapers such that all the forces you spent gathering could take them down ... then even if Shepard still died much less would have complained.

 

That kind of heroic fantasy was too gauche for Mac though, even though it was the original writer's plan (it was intended to be something like TTGL with dark energy instead of spiral nemesis). ME1/ME2 were heroic fantasy, then Walters ran in for Arrival and ME3 and in some bizarre tonal shift it went from TTGL to Deus Ex.

 

A NG+ DLC for ME3 would be the best way to carry the ME universe forward in my opinion, by providing a potential new canon almost everyone can be satisfied with. I think it only needs two big changes :

 

- a way to prevent the Geth from needing reaper code, the character assassination of Legion as he went from someone with principles to someone who throws it all away for survival was atrocious. I don't care if he dies, but at least let him die in a way which leaves the Geth to grow on their own as he wanted.

 

- a way to destroy the Catalyst and use your military strength to destroy the reapers (destroying the Catalyst provides you with a way to destroy their shields for instance).

[ZipZap2000]

But I am the boss of you and I order you to do whatever the hell you want.

Ok then I will.

*Sips Ryncol*

[The Dystopian Hound]

Ok then I will.

*Sips Ryncol*

Honorary Like. *Sips Ryncol*

[AlanC9]

Heroic sacrifice is easy to write and will satisfy most people. The problem was Shepard died AND lost. You got to chose out of a couple **** sandwiches and die, the diablo ex machina antagonist had everything go according to his whims. If they had a NG+ ending where you can fight and destroy the Catalyst, preferably screaming and/or begging, somehow weakening the reapers such that all the forces you spent gathering could take them down ... then even if Shepard still died much less would have complained.

NG+ for the special ending? Are you high?

[The Dystopian Hound]

If they do two playable protagonists then they really have ****** up.

[PinkysBrain]

NG+ for the special ending? Are you high?

 

It would have caused less backlash than the ME3 ending as it stands.

[AlanC9]

Adding new terrible ideas is no solution.

[PinkysBrain]

The ending as it stands is the problem.

[dreamgazer]

The ending as it stands is the problem.

It really isn't. Divergence across all three games is the "problem".

[AlanC9]

The ending as it stands is the problem.

Even if you think that, why propose new ideas that inherently suck?

[PinkysBrain]

It really isn't. Divergence across all three games is the "problem".

 

Only McCasey and a few brave defenders give a toss about a canonized ending devaluing their choice. You have to value the choice first.

 

The only problem with canonizing an ending is that they're all bad.

[niniendowarrior]

Unless the canon ending turns out to be none of the three. hehehe.

[The Dystopian Hound]

Only McCasey and a few brave defenders give a toss about a canonized ending devaluing their choice. You have to value the choice first.

The only problem with canonizing an ending is that they're all bad.

With destroy at least they can continue on like nothing happened. There could have been better choices. Instead they gave us refusal which is a HUGE middle finger to the rest of the galaxy. I can see Shep's reasoning for it but I wouldn't do it. Should have cast out a signal telling all reaper to go into permanent hibernation in darkspace.

[dreamgazer]

Only McCasey and a few brave defenders give a toss about a canonized ending devaluing their choice. You have to value the choice first.
 
The only problem with canonizing an ending is that they're all bad.

I'm not talking about just the ending, as I already said, but plenty of people "value" the choice they decided on.

Three games of choices. I wouldn't want that baggage either.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Heroic sacrifice is easy to write and will satisfy most people. The problem was Shepard died AND lost. You got to chose out of a couple **** sandwiches and die, the diablo ex machina antagonist had everything go according to his whims. If they had a NG+ ending where you can fight and destroy the Catalyst, preferably screaming and/or begging, somehow weakening the reapers such that all the forces you spent gathering could take them down ... then even if Shepard still died much less would have complained.

 

When you spend the first two games going "Yeah, you can do this!" and then turn about face and go "Nope, can't do anything, our only hope is punching the giant button on this thing we pulled out of our collective rear ends" people are going to be a tad bit annoyed.

[dreamgazer]

When you spend the first two games going "Yeah, you can do this!" and then turn about face and go "Nope, can't do anything, our only hope is punching the giant button on this thing we pulled out of our collective rear ends" people are going to be a tad bit annoyed.

All three endings in the trilogy put you in this position, though, with sacrifices.

"You can do this! Here's what it costs."

[AlanC9]

I guess it works if we think that ME is really just a power fantasy where you never have to sacrifice anything unless you feel like it.

[BatarianBob]

See what I mean? Ask about it and no one gives you a straight answer, it's very weird.

It's been discussed to death over the last four years and, honestly, the problems were so obvious I'm not sure how you could miss them.

[Petiertje]

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do you have an example of a good game?

 

ME1 & 2 maybe but 3? er.......nope

ME3 is a good game imo. I really liked it, and had fun playing it. Sadly that ending killed not only the mass relays. 

[rossler]

The problem was Shepard died AND lost

 

In the ending you chose perhaps. I destroyed the Reapers, survived, and won.