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Will MEA be another "tell, not show" experience like DAI?


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#126
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"Great game, terrible eyebrow physics, 1/10."

 

Yes, there are a lot of knee jerk, meritless 10/10 scores as well. Incredibly, that supports the argument that Metacritic is a pit populated by idiots and extremely motivated trolls.

 

 

It's like you guys don't know how to Internet? You glean the consensus at large by assessing the bulk of content out there that outweighs the trolls. As with news, a with blogs, as with Yelp, as with ANY review site.



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It's like you guys don't know how to Internet? You glean the consensus at large by assessing the bulk of content out there that outweighs the trolls. As with news, a with blogs, as with Yelp, as with ANY review site.


Yes, we know Internet trolls exist, and they're everywhere. That's the point. Aggregating trolls makes Metacritic utterly useless.
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It's like you guys don't know how to Internet? You glean the consensus at large by assessing the bulk of content out there that outweighs the trolls. As with news, a with blogs, as with Yelp, as with ANY review site.

 

That's also true... the world in general is full of... whatever.... you just have to parse it on your own.



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Yes, we know Internet trolls exist, and they're everywhere. That's the point.

That's.. the point? That trolls exist? Is this news to you? It's not news to me. So when you read Yelp, you ignore the trolls and also consider the quantity of trolls out there to the reasonably coherent reviews, and you focus on those coherent reviews to consider the business.


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#130
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I kinda think the whole internet thing is oversaturating and exploding to be honest. Too much stuff.



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Picking cherries today?
 

Spoiler

 
I really don't want to be a negative Nancy. I seriously do love DA2 and ME3, and don't consider myself picky or someone who loves to complain just because. This is probably the ONLY game that has stirred such violent emotions in my long gamer life.

 

Same here. I dont know but for some reason DAI has more nagging issues for me than me3 or DA2. Granted i never played Da2 on release, i still feel that the loads of minor and moderate issues with dai amount to being more bigger at the end things then the bigger issues with da2 when i compare and contrast both games. The same with me3.

 

I've stated many times here at the bsn that i was hyping up dai like me3 but ultimately felt more disappointed then i did me3 - i was hoping that bioware would not fumble again but they did which could only mean that mea will also have issues. 



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Lengthy hyperbole is still hyperbole.

The number of 0 and 1 scores based on incredibly petty and overblown impressions have invalidated Metacritic many times over.

 the same could be said with the high numbers of 9\s and 10s. Those length posts werent hyperbole - you're just a fanboy.



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Haha, I got to the end of reading this thread and almost forgot what the original post was about. :lol:

Personally I don't want the "dark elements" of prejudice in a game, or to be heavy-handed -- particularly in the likes of DA and ME where one is a fantasy and one is futuristic. Lingering reminders about sexism and homophobia do not make the game immersive or real for me, it just reminds me how much the real world sucks. It makes me wonder why even in a fantasy where women are "considered" to be "mostly" equal they still aren't equal. Or why so far into the future people still give a damn about gender/sexuality. Culture clash will bring about racial issues, so perhaps that to more of an extent is unavoidable.

But, I understand that seeing can be different than reading. I'm a visual learner by all means, but when I read snippets in DAI, I'm slowly gathering that information and piecing the world together by the perspective of the authors. I'm learning more through individuals rather than the mass consensus of an entire nation. Not saying it's good or bad, just that it worked for me.
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That's.. the point? That trolls exist? Is this news to you? It's not news to me. So when you read Yelp, you ignore the trolls and also consider the quantity of trolls out there to the reasonably coherent reviews, and you focus on those coherent reviews to consider the business.


How can you differentiate the trolls and the "honest" commenters, though? Maybe the hyperbole is true, either positive or negative. What dictates whether you should ignore a review? Personal bias?

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Bioware has no clue what they're doing if that's the case. Skyrim is a dramatically different game. It doesn't work.

 

Mighty Howard said "It just works."



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For me people tell me something is interesting if it looks boring to me than that' how I decide.


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the same could be said with the high numbers of 9\s and 10s. Those length posts werent hyperbole - you're just a fanboy.


Actually, they were definitely peppered with hyperbole. But, nice effort with the tired, last resort "fanboy" comment.
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It's like you guys don't know how to Internet? You glean the consensus at large by assessing the bulk of content out there that outweighs the trolls. As with news, a with blogs, as with Yelp, as with ANY review site.

The correct way about how to internet would be to ignore almost everything it spawns, because it's a toxic cesspool full of whining, fake outrage, actually genuine but still stupid outrage, complaining for the sake of complaining, stupid arguments and "opinons" that make you want to kill yourself (or humanity as a whole). And whenever it's a part of the internet that deals with the subject of videogames then you'll have to multiply the amount of all this bullsh*t by a hundred.

So in general I pretty much ignore everything the internet says about any given game until playing it myself, because quite frankly as far as I'm concerned the inernet does rarely reflect my own feelings on anything. As evidenced by the fact that DA2 is my second most favourite Bioware game while it's widely stated to be the worst one. Meanwhile ME2 is praised while I think it the worst incohesive mess Bioware ever produced (still loved it though just for the record.).


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I could make ten metacritic accounts right now and give DAI ten zeroes because I don't like Solas' bald head and wish he had a pompadour.

 

 

Look I love DAI, but I couldn't help myself. 


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if in doubt, don't pre-order.
Game won't disappear from the download server(s)
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Yep probably which is why I won't buy it until some honest reviews come out.


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"COME ON BIOWARE GIVE US CONTROLLER SUPPORT FOR US PC PLAYER"

 

"ok"

 

fast forward after the relase

 

"OH GAWD THE CONTROL FOR PC SUCKS THEY WERE MADE WITH CONSOLE IN MIND"

 

"Just wait a second you asked for controller sup.."

 

"SHUT UP YOU CRETINE!"

 

And than i still wonder why i come to this place.

Asking for controller support isn't the same as making it for consoles in mind. Huge differences. You are basically likening bioware to an evil genie in which you have to be crazy specific in your directions or your wish will get massively fucked up. Though I suppose that fits. Bizarre execution has always been their thing.



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They had no problem 'showing' in DA:O. Each of the origins did a solid job doing this so they could establish how your character would be treated throughout the game. 


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It's like you guys don't know how to Internet? You glean the consensus at large by assessing the bulk of content out there that outweighs the trolls. As with news, a with blogs, as with Yelp, as with ANY review site.


The fact that I am reluctant to fritter away my time with idiots and trolls would suggest that I know well enough how to Internet. It's also why I take frequent and lengthy sabbaticals from the BSN. The OP serves as a decent exhibit A.

I would say most reviews are a waste of time. Metacritic is just worse than pretty much everything else in this regard.
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How can you differentiate the trolls and the "honest" commenters, though? Maybe the hyperbole is true, either positive or negative. What dictates whether you should ignore a review? Personal bias?

I have a system. I use moderate reviews and overlap them with extremely positive and negative reviews. Moderate people tend to find at least 1 or 2 things they like about a game and few bad things. I overall can trust that their opinion is going to be a balanced one so I use those as a field of reference when looking at reviews that are 10+++ and -1000 reviews. I also focus on what is being said if all three reviews both have the same con or don't sound positive about the same thing it is very likely that thing is true. This gives me a semi-clear picture of whether or not I will like the game based on those things. I mean one person's 10 is another person's -1000. That's always going to be true, but there are ways to pick out the truth from different stories.

Plus I also have a few youtube reviewers that I trust and are more inline with my views on games and the content they like.


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Showing trenches of bodies does nothing. What bodies are they? Where the hell are you? What is the war about?
 
You don't get that unless you have literally one or two brief lines of dialogue with one static NPC at each trench area who doesn't even get a close up and as I said, numerous other visual and aural cues were missing.
 
Cut scenes are actually important. You discount cut scenes, but Skyrim used plenty of scripted scenes (not cut scenes but scripted moments) for the conflicts which mattered to you in the present storyline. For instance, any time anything regarding Stormcloaks VS. Imperials happened, it was through strong reiteration of party lines through all the side quests (dealing with the Battleborns, the Battleborn family would talk about their siding with the Stormcloaks). You saw them everywhere, with unique costumes. It was pervasive. NPCs talked about it. NPCs talked about it in the cart on the way to your execution in the prologue. NPCs talked about it in all the holds - and not as stiff repeaters of lines but each NPC could be interacted with to some extent and they moved around dynamically.
 
We have none of that for the mage VS. templar war. NPCs and towns are not brimming with political opinions. You find a few randomly wandering enemies to portray the mage vs. templar war spread throughout the countryside. There is no momentum. No pacing. No dramatic effect at all.
 
That you don't see how utterly weak and vapid Inquisition was - how disparate the elements of audio and animation and cut scenes were to emerge as a strong picture of what is going on in that world - is baffling.


It's like you are willfully ignoring the point... The mage/templar war is ancillary to the main story of the game. And what we do get, is after the battle exposure. But what I can clearly see, is that enviromental cues and a world/story design where it isn't plastered in neon in a cutscene for every tertiary event, you do not get.

Plenty of people got what you didn't so stop this bloody nondense that the style is inherently wrong or flawed. YOU just don't like it.
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It's like you are willfully ignoring the point... The mage/templar war is ancillary to the main story of the game. And what we do get, is after the battle exposure. But what I can clearly see, is that enviromental cues and a world/story design where it isn't plastered in neon in a cutscene for every tertiary event, you do not get.

Plenty of people got what you didn't so stop this bloody nondense that the style is inherently wrong or flawed. YOU just don't like it.

Well I can tell you one thing. It's different from Origins. Different from DA2. Different from Mass Effect 1-3. Different from Witcher 3.

These problems don't plague any of those games to the scale it did Inquisition.

So either some people regard this game higher than all the rest, and want Bioware to depart from all of them, or it was truly a new piece of crap.
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Or it was a pretty good game that wasn't to everyone's tastes?

Seriously, Addictress, you should consider not using preposterous hyperbole all the time. It's tough to get to the actual substance with all of the foam on top.
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Or it was a pretty good game that wasn't to everyone's tastes?


Let me rephrase.

Your definition of good is clearly different.

So no, you can't claim it is objectively good.

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No, but then you can't say half the stuff you've been saying either.
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