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[AlanC9]

"More time=more pre-orders, and waiting until November means people have less money to drop on things like games(that come out in February or March) for themselves because of Christmas. Stop being willfully obtuse." 

I read that the first time. Why does more time equal more pre-orders, though? Where are the extra purchasers coming from? Who are the people who would preorder in July but won't pre-order in November, or February?
 

So you've never pre-ordered a game before? You have to put money down to pre-order at a B&M store like GameStop, which is where most pre-orders are made. And a lot of people just pay for the whole game when they pre-order.

I'll take your word for it. I haven't set foot in one of those for years. How much money do people typically put down, and is it the standard retailer split? As mentioned, online preordering costs $0.

I can't imagine why any sane person would float EA a zero-interest loan.

[Giantdeathrobot]

I'm not sure why so many posters here don't seem to get this. If E3 didn't matter then developers would stop showing up.

 

Developpers show up, few of them actually make groundbreaking announcements or show some non-edited gameplay however. That is the nature of the E3 beast, there's just way too much noise, you don't want your news to be drowned by the news of X other competitor. As much as possible anyway.

 

It's really EA's call, far more than Bioware's. The entire EA conference was probably the worst of the show, even by E3 standards they showed very little. The only ones who showed good amounts of gameplay are Sony, and I'm sure that was edited anyway. Dishonored 2 seemed like the only game which had honest to goodness, non-edited gameplay footage. Of all the games I saw anyway.

 

Besides, the game is more than half a year away. The hype train simply doesn't need to launch so soon. If we get nothing come november-december, I'll start worrying. Until then, eh. I'd rather they show little but show good stuff, lest the whining on these boards reach even more ridiculous proportions over nickpicky sillyness.

 

So long as all the relevant information is available on release, and sufficient non-edited gameplay footage exists, I couldn't care less if they release gameplay demos nine, six or four months in advance. Total War:Warhammer had almost no gameplay footage for most of its marketing campaign, then they made a media blitz 2-3 months from release and it worked well enough to get me to buy what ended up being a very enjoyable game.

[Cheviot]

That's all well and good, but what about the people that don't know that N7 Day even exists? The amount of eyes that will be on BioWare on some random day in November is smaller than the number of eyes who were on that stage at E3. Sure, they said "We'll show more in the fall" or whatever, but how many people who aren't already invested in the ME franchise will remember that?

If only there were a network of websites with hundreds of thousands of readers that published news daily about notable events in gaming....

[Killroy]

By N7 Day 2016 Bioware's going to make a lot of hardened ME vets/cynics feel like a virgin, touched for the very first time, including all the whining virgins up in here.

 

If they don't, I'll resign my profile and never post on the forum again.  Anyone want to make a profile bet with me?  Let's make it interesting.

 

I'm feeling like Zaeed reading this thread.

 

But how could you, guy I've never even seen post here before, abandon this forum? We need you!

 

What's the actual mechanism here? I'm as fond as anyone of explanations that boil down to "gamers are idiots," but I don't see how dropping a worse video this month works out better than dropping a better one in November. Will people somehow not see it in November?

 

Why would a video now be worse than a video in November if they all need to do at this point is polish things? They knew for at least 6 months when EA Play was happening, and they knew for 20 years that E3 was happening. Why couldn't they have polished up 5 minutes of gameplay at any point? Are they that incompetent? Are they that cocky? Because Mac and Flynn don't seen cocky at all, considering how much they've been talking about the terrible ME3 ending and the backlash it caused. 

[Killroy]

Developpers show up, few of them actually make groundbreaking announcements or show some non-edited gameplay however. That is the nature of the E3 beast, there's just way too much noise, you don't want your news to be drowned by the news of X other competitor. As much as possible anyway.

That's a contradictory aim. You don't want to show much because you don't want to get overshadowed? That makes zero sense. And BioWare showed very little and made no splash. The mainstream gaming media barely even mentions MEA when talking about E3, if they mention MEA at all. A lot of people/reporters are talking about the games that showed gameplay though.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

If only there were a network of websites with hundreds of thousands of readers that published news daily about notable events in gaming....

If only there were a way people could present counter arguments without being smug fuckwads...

[Killroy]

If only there were a network of websites with hundreds of thousands of readers that published news daily about notable events in gaming....

But most gamers aren't following the news every day. E3 is a big deal because that's when the most gamers are looking at the news. If all it took to get the most eyes on your game was a random day of news then no one would show up to E3 with their games and there would be no advertising of games. Are you actually not able to understand this? 

[LexXxich]

Why, yes. After the trailer finished playing, I was like "That's it?". Maybe me and BW have different understanding of "polishing"?
To me, it means "all systems are implemented and confirmed working together, now it's time for balance passes and bugfixing". So, having the game in such a stage would be an OK point to start showing gameplay videos, because stuff you can show isn't going to change in a meaningful way.

[Felps Cross]

Because they're lying.

 

That is mostly true. It happened before, no reason to doubt that now.

 

Although, someone said that the other games really stole MEAs chance to be better shown in E3. But that is hard to confirm. 

 

Truth is, BW games still seems to be underrated in EA's point of view.

[ShadyKat]

They say we'll be seeing by new stuff soon.

E3 is the biggest video game show of the year. They should have shown something now.....Not soon.

[Killroy]

That is mostly true. It happened before, no reason to doubt that now.

 

Although, someone said that the other games really stole MEAs chance to be better shown in E3. But that is hard to confirm. 

 

Truth is, BW games still seems to be underrated in EA's point of view.

 

EA Play wasn't BioWare's only avenue of promotion at E3. There's no reason they couldn't have put more out there during E3. Plenty of other developers use E3 to independently disseminate trailers and info online to great effect. Instead of "I can't wait to show you more in the Fall" it could have been "go to Mass Effect dot com for a gameplay trailer and a character reveal." 

[Giantdeathrobot]

That's a contradictory aim. You don't want to show much because you don't want to get overshadowed? That makes zero sense. And BioWare showed very little and made no splash. The mainstream gaming media barely even mentions MEA when talking about E3, if they mention MEA at all. A lot of people/reporters are talking about the games that showed gameplay though.

 

The theory is that whatever you show will be overshadowed anyway, if not just drowned in the news and hype about games that release sooner. Releasing news (or, in video game's case, gameplay demos) on your own time, when there isn't white noise, doesn't always ensure more coverage, but it helps ensuring no one else gets coverage in that time.

 

It also avoids more direct comparisons, such as the whole silly ''lol sony rekt microsoft this year'' drivel that's been circulating around. EA just didn't want to join the E3 hype pissing contest, it seems. They probably think it doesn't bring much in the long run. It might also be that EA or Bioware, or both, weren't confident they could show the game in its best light in time, and just waited. One good video is better than one bad video and one good video.

 

Also, I have no stats to back this up, but if they are after pre-orders, I think it's too early. Only the most hardcore fans pre-order after one or two gameplay demos, and those people will pre-order no matter what you do out of sheer fanboyism anyway. Many will wait until closer to release, when more information is available.

 

At this point, we just don't know what happens behind the scenes. We never do, with any company. Not truly. As I said, I'll worry if the year ends if we get nothing, or little more than nothing. We're likely 8+ months from release. There's no reason to panic just yet.

[Exaltation]

The game is like 9 months away,there's still time,just be calm and enjoy GOG and soon Steam's Summer Sale.

[pdusen]

No that just shows they've become confident that people will buy their game on name recognition alone, no matter how bad it ends up being.

 

So from your perspective, since you seem certain the game is going to be terrible, why do you care that they aren't hyping it up? Wouldn't it actually be a good thing that they aren't hyping people to buy a bad game?

[NUM13ER]

If they had substantial content for Andromeda available to show, then it would be rather odd choice to not showcase it at E3. Especially considering EA had very lacklustre conference.

I've heard rumours they may have planned to have an event in the fall window spotlighting the new Mass Effect, but that is all conjecture.

A cynical view is the game is nowhere close to completion if they cannot produce anything approaching a trailer.

[SofaJockey]

• Because of Crestwood-gate.
• And it's still 8-9 months off release.

[KaiserShep]

BioWare can't really win with this sort of thing. If they show off a lot of stuff now, but have to make revisions or big changes later, people will give them lots of **** anyway. 

[Ruadh]

To be fair, I don't recall them actually saying WHAT they were polishing.

 

Circlejerk confirmed. 

[AlanC9]

Why would a video now be worse than a video in November if they all need to do at this point is polish things? They knew for at least 6 months when EA Play was happening, and they knew for 20 years that E3 was happening. Why couldn't they have polished up 5 minutes of gameplay at any point? Are they that incompetent? Are they that cocky? Because Mac and Flynn don't seen cocky at all, considering how much they've been talking about the terrible ME3 ending and the backlash it caused.

Depends on what you figure "polish" means. I don't think the combat's likely to be in its final form now.

What are you assuming? Obviously they're working on something or the game would be ready to ship now. So, what?

[LightningPoodle]

Saving all of that for November 7th maybe?

I can understand why they aren't showing much of the gameplay, especially with the reaction to how Inquisition differed to that already shown in alpha. They likely don't want to make a promise they can't keep, and so far we haven't been promised anything besides "it's set in another galaxy".

[goofyomnivore]

I didn't even think the trailer was that good, and overall EA had a pretty awful conference. We will probably get another trailer in August at Gamescon.

[Sanunes]

BioWare just chose not to show us anything that wasn't going to be 100% in the game because people reacted this way after the launch of Dragon Age: Inquisition because content that wasn't fully polished was removed from the game during development.  So now they can contain all the name calling and backseat developing before they release content and won't have this type of reaction when they release the game.  Seems like a good decision to me.

[Monk]

The only thing i can come up with is that they've taken the ME3MP classes and crossed them over to SP on MEA and don't wanna show too since it'll soon be obvious seeing the squad in complete action.

[Fade9wayz]

 

I think his reasoning to go into therapy is legitimate, because how would you feel if you were creating something highly anticipated on a global scale, you released it, and EVERYBODY criticized it? Nobody gave it praise, despite 85% of the game being very enjoyable (at least I found it to be,) everyone focused on a flaw you glossed over, hoping everyone would think it's great, but it rubbed everyone the wrong way.

 

True enough. I've seen several movie directors getting anxious and bummed at the end of a production, almost like some post-partum syndrome, and that was before their movie was even released. They usually got better when it was selected by movie festivals though.

[dreamgazer]

Guys, there's confirmed leaked gameplay footage that proves they could have shown extensive, direct gameplay if they wanted to. That's not how they wanted to handle this trailer.