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[The_Nightman_Cometh]

Yes, promote.

Fixed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only your N7 shall truly show exactly how skilled you are.

[GruntKitterhand]

 

Only your N7 shall truly show exactly how skilled you are.

 

I know you're just quoting a BSNism, but among my various accounts I have an N7 1920, at least three N7 120s, and an occasionally-used N7 20 which is truly epic for messing with other players' expectations.   Admittedly, that's probably less to do with skill and more to do with the fact that I unlocked an AIU in my welcome pack. 

[MaxCrushmore]

Woah, haven't posted in quite some time.

 

Hey OP, you might want to consider using more powerful / easier set ups while getting used to this game.

 

On your manifest, the best combination of character / weapon you have for a newer player is your Turian Ghost Infiltrator with your Cerberus Harrier 1, use your warfighter package 1 gear for the extra stimpack

 

http://kalence.drupa...61!!..Z1!E59A5O

 

If you are having problem with taking too much damage, i would recommend going 4 in fitness here and 4 in stimpack. Anytime you are down to your health, just hit a sitmpack and get full shields back.

 

Also this kits power is Overload, which is an auto tracking power. So cloak, overload, shoot .. then repeat.

 

 

The human adept is a great kit but IMO, a little more advanced to play because of the nature of their powers, less fitness etc. I would recommend watching some good players video with this character for good pointers.

[Arktinen]

@Dalakaar,  To clarify, it's not that I'm asking him not to use dodge, it's more that I was asking him to get more accustomed to the controls and the game by playing an easier, tankier character who doesn't have a dodge and doesn't need to dodge, before he tries out the squishier kits which can dodge.

 

Also your opinion and perspectives are of course welcome and it's always better to have such discussions from opposing views since they bring more clarity to the subject. 

This. This is exactly what I've been trying to say, too.  Well clarified.

 

Dalakaar, I believe I've also agreed with you repeatedly, that those dodging powers are great, after you get more comfortable and so on... see above and earlier.  I also wasn't telling you to not say or do anything; sad you took it that way.  I don't get that heated up by gun/kit discussions, this is just a game.

 

 I saw this as providing diffferent views, not as an argument.  After all, it's the OP who can decide what characters he wants to try and when, and only he can test them out to see what suits him best.  All we can do is give various options and explain the thought process behind it, why x or y might be worth trying in situation z.

 

I was trying to explain the reasons why I emphasized those options, like the OP's limitations, and my own limitations just as well, which is why I ended up using similar kits first, before venturing out - I didn't give examples of Krogan just because i'd like Krogans (Ok, I do, but that's beside the point here ). 

[Jallard]

Wow, now my head is really spinning! There is a tremendous learning curve in Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer.  I wish I could take everyone's advice and place them into one character. However, my agility coupled with my aging dexterity is a hindrance. Add to that trying to learn the maps and where the enemies spawn. Then, too, is learning how to stay away from the bosses. The other thing that I have trouble with is when I take cover and then try to get out from cover, while trying to dodge attacks it’s like I get stuck. Then of course I get extremely frustrated and end up dead.

[Dalakaar]

This. This is exactly what I've been trying to say, too.  Well clarified.

 

Dalakaar, I believe I've also agreed with you repeatedly, that those dodging powers are great, after you get more comfortable and so on... see above and earlier.  I also wasn't telling you to not say or do anything; sad you took it that way.  I don't get that heated up by gun/kit discussions, this is just a game.

 

 I saw this as providing diffferent views, not as an argument.  After all, it's the OP who can decide what characters he wants to try and when, and only he can test them out to see what suits him best.  All we can do is give various options and explain the thought process behind it, why x or y might be worth trying in situation z.

 

I was trying to explain the reasons why I emphasized those options, like the OP's limitations, and my own limitations just as well, which is why I ended up using similar kits first, before venturing out - I didn't give examples of Krogan just because i'd like Krogans (Ok, I do, but that's beside the point here ). 

Fair enough.

 

Although I disagree with this...

After all, it's the OP who can decide what characters he wants to try and when, and only he can test them out to see what suits him best. 

This is BSN. He has to do everything we tell him or else.

 

Especially the parts we disagree on. (They he has to figure out how to do both at the same time.)

[Dovakiin_N7]

Find your kit that you are most comfortable with. When I was new, for gold , I played almost exclusively Human Engineer ( dodge + consistent tech explosions), paladin (same as above + energy drain/snap cheese), huntress and Awakened collector adept ( many thought it was a strange choice for a scrub.. But he is tanky and you really have to try hard to finish last in a group game)

I sucked big time with Everybody's fav scub kit AIU. I repaired my matrix and got stabbed by a camping phantom. Never got over the insult and I still suck with her.

You could try them too if you are uncomfortable with un dodge-able kits like krogans.

[GruntKitterhand]

Wow, now my head is really spinning! There is a tremendous learning curve in Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer.  I wish I could take everyone's advice and place them into one character. However, my agility coupled with my aging dexterity is a hindrance. Add to that trying to learn the maps and where the enemies spawn. Then, too, is learning how to stay away from the bosses. The other thing that I have trouble with is when I take cover and then try to get out from cover, while trying to dodge attacks it’s like I get stuck. Then of course I get extremely frustrated and end up dead.

 

Hi OP,

You may have a few years on me but I can relate to some of your woes as I have occasional problems with arthritis, though that's one of the reasons I prefer using console controllers to mouse and keyboard - on consoles it's really only the charged weapon mechanic that causes me some grief.

As for the head-spinning advice, for clarity I'd just like to emphasize my suggestion that you might benefit from focusing initially on one of the characters with a power which is switched on at the beginning and remains on for the duration of the game, such as Blade/Tech Armour, Barrier or Fortification. Most of those can also be used offensively, but that's maybe further down the road. Bloodlust also counts, but I completely understand your issues with the Vorcha - we have one of them who frequently leaves me close to tears when he visits this forum. 

I recommended the Batarian Soldier earlier, but also feel like giving the Turian Sentinel some support as a great character to learn with. He's tanky enough with a 4/4 split between TA and Health, has great weapons passives, and two great powers - chain Overload to strip shields and stun mooks, and Warp to debuff armoured bosses. I think he's possibly easier to play than the Turians who have a dodge, as it can be disorientating and is unlikely to help you not get stuck to cover.

[Jallard]

Find your kit that you are most comfortable with. When I was new, for gold , I played almost exclusively Human Engineer ( dodge + consistent tech explosions), paladin (same as above + energy drain/snap cheese), huntress and Awakened collector adept ( many thought it was a strange choice for a scrub.. But he is tanky and you really have to try hard to finish last in a group game)

I sucked big time with Everybody's fav scub kit AIU. I repaired my matrix and got stabbed by a camping phantom. Never got over the insult and I still suck with her.

You could try them too if you are uncomfo

rtable with un dodge-able kits like krogans.

 

I just got done trying out the Turian Ghost Infiltrator. Now all I need to do is speec it right. I love the overload and his melee even though I got killed trying to do the latter. I also like the N7 Destroyer, but to me he seems a bit bulky and a tad to slow.  With the Turian I am using the Harrier and the Inviscerator. 

[akots1]

I just visited with Jallard on his favorite one and only dagger hazard against geth bronze and witness him getting 75 kills by the end of the game. It seems that newly acquired harrier gets the job done! Good game there!

 

[Jallard]

I just visited with Jallard on his favorite one and only dagger hazard against geth bronze and witness him getting 75 kills by the end of the game. It seems that newly acquired harrier gets the job done! Good game there!

 

 

Yea, I really like the Turian Sentinel.  I think I found my niche. I have both Harrier and the Enviscerator.

[Arkhne]

Yea, I really like the Turian Sentinel.  I think I found my niche. I have both Harrier and the Enviscerator.

 

Harrier TSent is probably pretty good for moving foreward then. It will also teach you where all the ammo boxes are, which helps with remembering the maps. With the sturdiness and offense to handle most situations. I was going to recommend something like what Stinky posted above, or a Juggernaut, but then you said you find the character a bit slow (a perfectly valid assesment), so both of those were out. TSent was one I was thinking of, trying to find the right gun to suggest.

 

Another one I was thinking of, though:

I'm also not a personal fan (the gun gives me headaches), however, the Adas TSol could be another option.

http://kalence.drupa...45!!..Q1!F.E9GG

 

There is no shame in skipping even a good power (like Inferno Grenades on the Batarian Soldier) to make a character easier to use, taking full fitness, or using a cyclonic mod, or even an Ultra Rare weapon on Bronze/Silver. If you play where you are most comfortable, you will have the most fun, and isn't that why we play games?

 

 

I don't know how easy or hard anything is for modding on PC, I play PS3. However, I will echo what Grunt said about controllers being a little more user-friendly, I can't game on PC. If you can't get your head around changing keybindings, checking out Mgamerz's controller mod (I think ease-of-use is one of this selling points for his mods) for using an XBox controller instead of the keyboard. And if it turns out his controller mod isn't as plug-and-play as I expect a lot of his stuff to be, he's a nice guy, and would probably talk you through it. This isn't a perfect solution, I'm just surprised nobody has suggesting checking the mod out.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

....I don't know how easy or hard anything is for modding on PC, I play PS3. However, I will echo what Grunt said about controllers being a little more user-friendly, I can't game on PC. If you can't get your head around changing keybindings, checking out Mgamerz's controller mod (I think ease-of-use is one of this selling points for his mods) for using an XBox controller instead of the keyboard. And if it turns out his controller mod isn't as plug-and-play as I expect a lot of his stuff to be, he's a nice guy, and would probably talk you through it. This isn't a perfect solution, I'm just surprised nobody has suggesting checking the mod out.

 

Hi OP,

You may have a few years on me but I can relate to some of your woes as I have occasional problems with arthritis, though that's one of the reasons I prefer using console controllers to mouse and keyboard - on consoles it's really only the charged weapon mechanic that causes me some grief...

 

I'd just like to point out that controllers can be a bit disorienting at first when playing shooters especially for someone coming from aiming with a mouse and having no prior experience. I think it's best the Op sticks to mouse as of now since switching to a controller is probably going to really screw up his aim. The first time I played shooters with a controller I had difficulty shooting straight and looking where I wanted.  

[akots1]

I'd just like to point out that controllers can be a bit disorienting at first when playing shooters especially for someone coming from aiming with a mouse and having no prior experience. I think it's best the Op sticks to mouse as of now since switching to a controller is probably going to really screw up his aim. The first time I played shooters with a controller I had difficulty shooting straight and looking where I wanted.  

+1. Controller is horrible. I don't know how anyone can use this thing. I honestly tried a couple of times. It was a worst nightmare for me.

[7twozero]

and an occasionally-used N7 20 which is truly epic for messing with other players' expectations

 

[GeneralXIV]

... you can see lots of things from N7HQ... thats kinda creepy haha... I didnt realize you could see what ive put points in and how much equipment I have

[Lord Elvewyn]

I'd probably argue the reverse. More folk play on the weekends so it's usually easier to find matches. On rare occasion I've given up on the Platinum\Gold queues as there doesn't seem to be anyone around and gone Silver, which is of course probably more skill appropriate for me. Wish I knew playerbase numbers but low and desperate seems to be the best adjectives for the EA system. Could be a matter of geography and timezones of course, and I'm assuming Jallard is on in a time\place where more folk can match up with a decent ping.

 

 

Yes, don't promote. It is a waste IMO. You can promote when you don't like the build you have and want to change it and don't have a respec card. You are way better off playing as level 20, especially on silver. And you have to try some other maps and enemies. Unknown/unknown is a good setting and you can get more experience.

 

Some days are better, other days are worse, it is OK to have a bad day because it is usually followed by a good day. Also, on weekends (Saturday and Sunday) pugs are always horrible. Weekdays are not so bad.

 

[Lord Elvewyn]

Just did a quick Google. This may help with learning map layout: http://forum.bioware...-crowd-control/

 

As for bosses, Atlas, Geth Prime and Praetorian all have heavy ranged attacks. Avoid those and shoot back when they're reloading. They can do instant kills at melee range, but that tends to be rare, unless the Praetorian jumps you. Banshee's ranged attack is really quite nasty - it eats away at your shield\health but it's the teleporting that can be truly lethal. Depending on lag it can jump behind you and grab you before you have a chance to respond. 

 

If you want a bit more reading about tactics though try:

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Atlas

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Banshee

http://masseffect.wi...e#Mass_Effect_3

http://masseffect.wi...n#Mass_Effect_3

 

 

 

I totally understand about the getting stuck thing. I tried threading a gap one time but ended up running into cover on the left, then flipped to cover on the right, and died shortly after getting free. 

 

It'd have been better if the cover command was split from the run\use command but I'm guessing it's a downside of being a console port.

 

 

 

Wow, now my head is really spinning! There is a tremendous learning curve in Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer.  I wish I could take everyone's advice and place them into one character. However, my agility coupled with my aging dexterity is a hindrance. Add to that trying to learn the maps and where the enemies spawn. Then, too, is learning how to stay away from the bosses. The other thing that I have trouble with is when I take cover and then try to get out from cover, while trying to dodge attacks it’s like I get stuck. Then of course I get extremely frustrated and end up dead.

[GruntKitterhand]

 

If it's any consolation, you were my inspiration 

 

As for the discussion about controllers, I wasn't actually encouraging the OP to switch at this stage - I was simply empathizing with him because I have an arthritic wrist and thumb joint. In my case, contrary to the vast majority of console players, I prefer the PS3 controller to the Xbox 360 one, which limits me to around an hour at a time. I'm now in love with the DS4 controller and am more likely to use it on the PS3. I might even consider playing on PC if I discover it can be made compatible. 

 

That said, as for the wider potential war between gamers regarding which is best, we are as usual likely to draw on our own experiences and assume that the others are wrong, even though we are all intelligent to know that we are all different and adapt to all things in our own unique ways. I, for example, had played games on PC with keyboard and mouse for many years, but never did ever again since buying a PS3, as I could finally aim in a way my brain could process. Go figure. Maybe it's the left-handed thing, or maybe I just don't like mustard. I still can't land headshots reliably but I do ok.  Whatever, there is no right, wrong, better or worse, and all suggestions or ideas should be viewed that way. 

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Reported for not reporting for months. 

Being killed by Killing Cleaners has taken all my gaming time. Surely one of you could have taken up the slack? Lazy sods

 

I think I may be going insane. Did I just see Marksmad or am I the one going mad?

The ideal outcome would be both

 

^^^ I heartily endorse this service product and/or product service. WB Marksmad

Fixed!

 

Good to see you man. 

And you too. although I have lurked from time to time

 

It appears the King of the Scrubs has returned to this forsaken place, perhaps for more services  or products to heartily endorse. Here at BSN, our products and/or services have been lonely without said endorsements. You have lots of time to make up for Marksmad.

Lots of time? Lots of time!!!??? Do you know how much effort I've put into clearing up Manhattan since the plague hit? And the only BSNers who've helped at all have been Siren , Cryos , and DonMarfil !!!

 

So this is the famous Marksmad we hear so much about?

Possible but HIGHLY unlikely.

[Dovakiin_N7]

Lurker^ . XD

[Stinky3377]

Fixed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only your N7 shall truly show exactly how skilled you are.

 

Just promote to get the banner.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

+1. Controller is horrible. I don't know how anyone can use this thing. I honestly tried a couple of times. It was a worst nightmare for me.

 

I must confess that I like controllers more than playing with the M & K. Crazy perhaps and I'm pretty decent with a mouse setup but my reasons for that are, one a controller is just way too convenient and relaxed over using a mouse and keyboard setup. I can just be sitting on the couch or even lying down and playing if I want. That's a can't do with a mouse setup AFAIK.

 

Secondly I also play a lot of dark souls and hack and slash games like the witcher etc and playing those with a controller is just so much better with a mouse. I did finish dark souls 1 with a tacky mouse and key board and while I have an infinitely better set up now, I just don't wanna go through that again. Especially given the many advantages a controller has over a mouse in such a setup.

 

Thirdly, yes a mouse does have better performance in a shooter but unless I'm playing a pvp shooter I just don't care about that extra precision. I can use a controller to be almost as effective as a mouse except for the tiny little delay when it comes to shifting aim, turning around and quickscoping and honestly I'm just too lazy to care about that in me3 Mp. Just my preferences these.

[7twozero]

If it's any consolation, you were my inspiration

Just joking around before but I'm flattered, you're on pc? We could troll it up together

[Bud Halen]

I must confess that I like controllers more than playing with the M & K. Crazy perhaps and I'm pretty decent with a mouse setup but my reasons for that are, one a controller is just way too convenient and relaxed over using a mouse and keyboard setup. I can just be sitting on the couch or even lying down and playing if I want. That's a can't do with a mouse setup AFAIK.

 

Secondly I also play a lot of dark souls and hack and slash games like the witcher etc and playing those with a controller is just so much better with a mouse. I did finish dark souls 1 with a tacky mouse and key board and while I have an infinitely better set up now, I just don't wanna go through that again. Especially given the many advantages a controller has over a mouse in such a setup.

 

Thirdly, yes a mouse does have better performance in a shooter but unless I'm playing a pvp shooter I just don't care about that extra precision. I can use a controller to be almost as effective as a mouse except for the tiny little delay when it comes to shifting aim, turning around and quickscoping and honestly I'm just too lazy to care about that in me3 Mp. Just my preferences these.

 

^^^This is extremely true^^^

 

My Witcher 2 run-through improved so much when I went controller.  I tried training myself to M+KB FPS on my current Metro 2033 Redux campaign, but I think I'll start over again using a controller.  My MGS-Ground Zeroes run used a controller too (I sucked -- too many Marines sent home in body bags).  My Shadow of Mordor run will also use a controller (despite the archery in the game).

 

So if it involves constant, quick control of your 'physical' character, I seem to need a controller.  If it's more about options & selections (Dragon Age series), M+KB win out by a mile.