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[GeneralXIV]

I really want the Quarian Engineer... its the one thing I want right now... ive heard good things I have a male one who is fun and wayyyy too powerful but I want the female one too I kinda find the infiltrator boring but I havent used her in a while so I might try her again with the Claymore or something...

[Bud Halen]

Have you tried the claymore asari adept? It's pretty dope and with reload cancelling it times really nicely with the longer cooldowns.

 

Tried it on an HDept with an efficiency mod...didn't float my boat.  Would rather just Raiduh or Piranha or GPS.  Or Graal.  Or Venom.

[DistigousForest]

Tried it on an HDept with an efficiency mod...didn't float my boat.  

 

Damn oh well, generally I go with an arc pistol but it's fun to throw a claymore on random **** to see if it works. It times nicely with cooldowns of 2 sec (throw) and 4 sec (warp) where you can get a shot off during throw's cooldown and two during warp's. No efficiency mod.

[filippopotame]

 

Lol dps, do you know that the Predator has one of the highest dps among the pistols ?

 

As for the Wraith / Claymore match, firstly the difference is very small on paper, and secondly... this is on paper. This means that it's calculated in a situation that is never repeatable in game (with all shots hitting the target, at optimal range, and a perfect timing for 100% of the reload cancels, what none human can do) and furthermore without taking into account accuracy. The Wraith has a base accuracy 50% better than the Claymore, which means that you can hit targets at a higher range with it and that a lower percentage of your pellets is lost at medium range. So in Cyonan's sheet yes the Claymore has a higher dps, but in game no, the Wraith is better in that department too.

 

But more importantly, as 720 said, most of the Wraith's superiority comes from its lower weigth. I don't get why you limit your reasoning to engineers, the Wraith is simply better for all heavy powers users. So indeed for engineers, but also clearly for vanguards, adepts, sentinels and even most of the soldiers. On the human adept for example, a Warp / Shockwave combo does several thousands of damage. With the Wraith, I can use it every 3s. With the Claymore, every 5,2s. This will make a big difference in my overall dps throughout a whole game. If I could one-shot kill Brutes or Ravagers with the Claymore, that could be an acceptable deal, but no I can't unlike playing AIU or GI, so taking this gun is just adding a 130% penalty to my cooldowns for basically nothing. 

 

All of this was for team games. For solos, there's not even a match, the Wraith is miles away from the Claymore. The later one is actually quite mediocre for this type of game.

 

 

 

 

 

Give me builds where the Claymore clearly outshines the Wraith, then I will be interested.    

 

Those are very interesting posts. Everyone agrees that both are excellent I think. In my opinion the claymore is better vs bosses (cooldowns aside) because spread is less of an issue, while wraith is clearly better agains mooks because of accuracy and the ease of headshots, which makes the wraith better for solo speedruns as it's basically mooks hunting.

 

Because of the high damage per shot claymore is generaly (in my experience) better on all the characters that use incendiary ammo cheese.

 

And even though the claymore can't oneshot brutes, on nearly all the kits I play, it can oneshot ravagers (with the help of a power), for instance incinerate + claymore oneshots ravagers on plat.

 

I also feel that the claymore is better on the human soldier and the marksman kits because it takes advantage of the instant reload better (and you don't need as much accuracy as marksman provides on a wraith).

 

PS : I don't take sides, I love both 

 

Edit : oops, didn't see the posts about adrenaline rush

Modifié par filippopotame, 21 juin 2016 - 04:50 .

[Fuenf789]

Come on Loufi, it's the same guy that said you can self-detonate FE's with the kroguard, or that the Volus Merc is the strongest character in the game, or that the Valiant is better in every way than the Black Widow among many others. Just ignore him, he has absolutely no credibility.

And then this:
"Having an opinion is fine, but saying your opinion is a fact, and invalidates actual facts is BS. Just because you like the number one better than the number 2 doesn't mean one is a bigger number, it means you like one more."[/size]
ayy lmao, the irony

On topic: Zweihander oops, wrong game. VENOM. The more I use this gun and the better I get with it, the more I love it. It has a very nice learning curve to it. I was so bad with it at first, then it became my go-to weapon on every character and I'm still in progress of getting better with it. Some people say it's easy mode and crutch. I say it's the most unique and fun weapon in the game. If it was easy mode, every pug would use it on their AIU's, but I could count on one hand how many pugs I've seen using it, which is another plus.

Maybe if Biowaru didn't give the phantoms 90% DR for the lolz, I'd actually solo with the Claymore too, which is my 2nd fav. weapon (but I still acknowledge that the Wraith is better in most situations).

I salute you.

My favourite gun depends on the character I'm playing (and situational).
Sometimes it's a wraith, claymore, huddiricane, harrier, talon, executioner, eagle, acolyte, reegar , ...list goes on. On some enemies, even a weapon can be purely ornamental. I'm playing less and less OP characters(AiU, TGI, GI,...), because it is not an art. I like most weapons , and their unique characteristics that harmonizes with a character.

Maybe we should avoid equating favourite / dps/ quickest enemy wipe time. Some does it, but its a waste of time to attempt a logical discussion which is set on a emotional theme.

[Onewomanarmy]

I'm just gonna go with what I WANT to do. A lot of people keeps ordering me around, telling me how to play, which character to play, which weapons to equip or not to equip, shoot this, don't shoot that, hide there, run towards the enemy and etc. and etc.. and when I say "I think I wanna do "x" and such" they quickly say "no, do what I tell you to". F that. How am I supposed to adapt my own play style that way? I can't play like what 10 different people want me to play like at once, I don't WANT to do that. From now on I'm playing the hell I want to play like and I equip the weapons I want to. Screw all those who thinks I'm a noob because of it, I'll get better in time and I'll get better because I learned it myself, not because of charity

[Terminator Force]

I prefer Claymore on Destroyer.

[filippopotame]

I prefer Claymore on Destroyer.

Well he needs big and noisy guns !

 

Strangely on him and all the geth I prefer the wraith (because it becomes a sniper)

[Bud Halen]

I prefer Claymore on Destroyer.

 

8-shot Piranha.  In a big way.

[Deerber]

Right, so... Inb4Chinacalledtheywanttheirwallback.

 

 

 

Most Claymore lovers are actually aware of that, that's why they always come with the same poor arguments to attack the Wraith (crappy sound most of the time).

 

Hey, the crappy sound isn't a poor argument nor an excuse. It's something that is really important to some of us!

I know you don't feel like that and don't understand it, but that doesn't mean that your favorite gun doesn't sound like a crappy tincan being tossed in the streets!

 

Deal with it!

 

 

Besides, while I kind of agree with your analysis about the effectiveness of guns, I think you're also underestimating how important the reload hiding capabilities of the claymore are. It's much much easier and convenient to do so with the High Lord than with the High Tincan. Which brings the former quite a bunch closer to the latter as far as general effectiveness goes, on most kits.

 

Look at that cute little DPS...with those 3 digits. 

 

#Raiduh4Lyfe

#BlamBlam!

 

Haha Raider is awesome, isn't it?

 

 

The raider is the only shotgun/weapon I know of that can miss a head shot because of how stupid the spread is. It's asinine and I would use it more if not for that tomfoolery. 

 

I should give the Raider another try. Been a very long time since I've used it. Have to figure out what to use it on. /shrug

 

Two words for both of you: Marksman. Or Biotic Charge.

 

 

What makes it different from the likes of a harrier or reegar? It takes SKILL to use effectively.

 

Alright, stop right there. The Venom is a great gun, funny as hell. But that it takes *skill*? Seriously? I mean... You just have to aim in the general feet directions of the enemies and release the trigger. C'mon...

 

 

 

But more importantly, as 720 said, most of the Wraith's superiority comes from its lower weigth. I don't get why you limit your reasoning to engineers, the Wraith is simply better for all heavy powers users. So indeed for engineers, but also clearly for vanguards, adepts, sentinels and even most of the soldiers. On the human adept for example, a Warp / Shockwave combo does several thousands of damage. With the Wraith, I can use it every 3s. With the Claymore, every 5,2s. This will make a big difference in my overall dps throughout a whole game. If I could one-shot kill Brutes or Ravagers with the Claymore, that could be an acceptable deal, but no I can't unlike playing AIU or GI, so taking this gun is just adding a 130% penalty to my cooldowns for basically nothing. 

 

Couple of things: any character can actually OHK ravagers with a Claymore. And you would use it every 5.2 secs if you didn't have access to the weight armor slot that I can't recall the name of. It's more like 4 secs with that.

 

Give me builds where the Claymore clearly outshines the Wraith, then I will be interested.    

 

Well I quoted this to say that there are tons that could be provided, but I found out reading into the thread that this was already shown.

 

 

Maybe if Biowaru didn't give the phantoms 90% DR for the lolz, I'd actually solo with the Claymore too, which is my 2nd fav. weapon (but I still acknowledge that the Wraith is better in most situations).

 

Just solo on PC and cheat the bitches away from that awful DR!

 

 

I however don't think Wraith and Talon play the same role. They are both light weapons with solid dps, but Wraith has a higher OHK potential, by far.    

 

Yeah, I agree with that. They are both great guns from a simple effectiveness point of view, but they have pretty distinct roles, mostly because of:

 

The wraith also has way more consistent accuracy. Especially since (and probably because) of the smart choke. The talon's not very good from medium range and beyond without going into cover.

 

This.

 

 

 

Awww crap, the forum won't let me quote that many posts. Another post has to be made. 

[Deerber]

I would agree to the argument that the Claymore have an edge over the Wraith on AR builds, which basically is limited to the vanilla human soldier and the BF3 soldier (which will be played identically anyway). Pulling that off takes quite a lot of specific skills and experience though and not something the average pug is capable of, so far Mission_Scrubbed is the only player I've played with that's really good at it.

Then I will agree that the Claymore is by far the coolest gun in the game, but that being said it's also far from the best.

 

I don't understand this distinction between the coolest gun and the best. Claymore is the coolest and therefore the best

 

Also, you never played with me AR Claymoring, I see!

 

Have you tried the claymore asari adept? It's pretty dope and with reload cancelling it times really nicely with the longer cooldowns.

 

Claymore AA is a thing of beauty!

 

Tried it on an HDept with an efficiency mod...didn't float my boat.  Would rather just Raiduh or Piranha or GPS.  Or Graal.  Or Venom.

 

While I understand it might not fload your boat, it definitely works better than all the guns you've mentioned on that kit.. Except maybe the Venom.

 

Damn oh well, generally I go with an arc pistol but it's fun to throw a claymore on random **** to see if it works. It times nicely with cooldowns of 2 sec (throw) and 4 sec (warp) where you can get a shot off during throw's cooldown and two during warp's. No efficiency mod.

 

Do try the efficiency mod on her. It's very good. 

[Miniditka77]

My favorite class for the Claymore is the BatSol.  Fire the Claymore, fire Blades to hide your reload, fire the Claymore again, reload again while the blade explosions are providing another stagger, than fire again.  You can take mooks out shockingly fast.  I like to use Disruptor Ammo for taking out mooks more quickly, because the BatSol has plenty of armor damage with his grenades anyway.

[Dovakiin_N7]

I'm just gonna go with what I WANT to do. A lot of people keeps ordering me around, telling me how to play, which character to play, which weapons to equip or not to equip, shoot this, don't shoot that, hide there, run towards the enemy and etc. and etc.. and when I say "I think I wanna do "x" and such" they quickly say "no, do what I tell you to". F that. How am I supposed to adapt my own play style that way? I can't play like what 10 different people want me to play like at once, I don't WANT to do that. From now on I'm playing the hell I want to play like and I equip the weapons I want to. Screw all those who thinks I'm a noob because of it, I'll get better in time and I'll get better because I learned it myself, not because of charity

Except for the Reeger offcourse. It is known to cause the diarrhoea to the frequent user. You have seen how it fires , right?

Just kidding ...

[GeneralXIV]

I'm just gonna go with what I WANT to do. A lot of people keeps ordering me around, telling me how to play, which character to play, which weapons to equip or not to equip, shoot this, don't shoot that, hide there, run towards the enemy and etc. and etc.. and when I say "I think I wanna do "x" and such" they quickly say "no, do what I tell you to". F that. How am I supposed to adapt my own play style that way? I can't play like what 10 different people want me to play like at once, I don't WANT to do that. From now on I'm playing the hell I want to play like and I equip the weapons I want to. Screw all those who thinks I'm a noob because of it, I'll get better in time and I'll get better because I learned it myself, not because of charity

 

... doesnt everyone play differently anyway??? It kinda sounds like they were using you I think that like... if someone gives you something to try I think you should only follow it if you want to and you could use it for inspiration either

[PatrickBateman]

I don't understand this distinction between the coolest gun and the best. Claymore is the coolest and therefore the best
 
Also, you never played with me AR Claymoring, I see!

Not in a very long time, I'll admit that, might give it a go in pug land some time in the coming days though, the vanilla Hsol is one of my least played kits so it's time to give it some love

[DistigousForest]

Besides, while I kind of agree with your analysis about the effectiveness of guns, I think you're also underestimating how important the reload hiding capabilities of the claymore are.

 

Plus you can reload cancel the hidden reload making it even more effective, part of the reason I'll take the claymore over the reegar on the AIU any day of the week. 

[Deerber]

Not in a very long time, I'll admit that, might give it a go in pug land some time in the coming days though, the vanilla Hsol is one of my least played kits so it's time to give it some love

 

Do that! It's really good. It's also not that hard to use honestly. BF3 no fitness, FE-AR build is much harder. But the standard full fitness Hsol is relatively easy

[Onewomanarmy]

... doesnt everyone play differently anyway??? It kinda sounds like they were using you I think that like... if someone gives you something to try I think you should only follow it if you want to and you could use it for inspiration either

 

Lol I don't think anyone was using me, people have genuinely been trying to help me and HAS helped me a lot too but at the same time it's also confused me I think when too many people tried to interfere or help it kinda made it worse. They meant well though, at least that's how I felt it

 

I just don't think I wanna play with the pros here anymore, not before I get a bit better at the game. 

[GeneralXIV]

Lol I don't think anyone was using me, people have genuinely been trying to help me and HAS helped me a lot too but at the same time it's also confused me I think when too many people tried to interfere or help it kinda made it worse. They meant well though, at least that's how I felt it

 

I just don't think I wanna play with the pros here anymore, not before I get a bit better at the game. 

 

So they werent telling you what to do they were giving you advice in most cases if people are ordering you around theyre only doing it for themselves but giving you advice is completely different... the difference between 'you cant do this' and 'you shouldnt do this' ones an order ones advice

 

I felt exactly the same! It wasnt helping me playing gold with some guys from here and letting everyone else do anything so I dropped to silver and played with Arkhne and Arktinen and I think im slowly getting better at the game because I can actually contribute and do things even as a beginner not that arkhne and Arktinen arent pros because they totally are but on gold I couldnt do much but on silver I can do more and thats the difference

Playing with good players on gold means they do everything and I do nothing... playing with good players on silver is a better experience for me It means I can contribute but if I do something stupid theres always an amazing player to revive me... its the best of both worlds I know I didnt play so much with you guys anyway but its good to well... not do it I cant learn if I dont do anything and I think thats the problem with playing with great players on high difficulty when they have all the guns in the game and super good equipment and I have nothing haha

[Onewomanarmy]

So they werent telling you what to do they were giving you advice in most cases if people are ordering you around theyre only doing it for themselves but giving you advice is completely different... the difference between 'you cant do this' and 'you shouldnt do this' ones an order ones advice

 

I felt exactly the same! It wasnt helping me playing gold with some guys from here and letting everyone else do anything so I dropped to silver and played with Arkhne and Arktinen and I think im slowly getting better at the game because I can actually contribute and do things even as a beginner not that arkhne and Arktinen arent pros because they totally are but on gold I couldnt do much but on silver I can do more and thats the difference

Playing with good players on gold means they do everything and I do nothing... playing with good players on silver is a better experience for me It means I can contribute but if I do something stupid theres always an amazing player to revive me... its the best of both worlds I know I didnt play so much with you guys anyway but its good to well... not do it I cant learn if I dont do anything and I think thats the problem with playing with great players on high difficulty when they have all the guns in the game and super good equipment and I have nothing haha

 

Gotta admit you have a point. I think their intentions were good though, I just didn't learn much that way yes. I got a lot of credits easy and fast, that's the way I got help but beyond it you're right, they got all the kills because they got to do everything, plus they're so used to being good that they're not taking the game seriously anymore.... they're just f'ing around. I don't know, I feel like I don't need any charity anymore, so I'll get better on my own, I think it'll make them happy as well, not to get stuck on a noob

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

You really need to give the BW a chance, though. It plays differently from the semis and single shots.

Oh I do use the Black Widow.  The damage doesn't live up to the Widow name though.

[Dalakaar]

Just remember this is entertainment, it's supposed to be fun.

 

Play it the way that's the most fun.

 

For me right now that usually means being stoned or drunk on my Paladin off in a corner shieldbonking swarmers off the edge of Firebase:Vancouver.

[Onewomanarmy]

Just remember this is entertainment, it's supposed to be fun.

 

Play it the way that's the most fun.

 

For me right now that usually means being stoned or drunk on my Paladin off in a corner shieldbonking swarmers off the edge of Firebase:Vancouver.

 

Yes, I agree. It's supposed to be fun as a TEAM. But some of the pros here are used to the game too much so they forget about the rest and have fun on their own. That's why I feel out of league. 

 

I love having fun while playing but I'd have fun as a team, I'd never exclude the noobs or anyone else. 

 

I'm not a charity case.

[XAN]

Alright, stop right there. The Venom is a great gun, funny as hell. But that it takes *skill*? Seriously? I mean... You just have to aim in the general feet directions of the enemies and release the trigger. C'mon...

It does take skill to use it on console. There aren't many people who use it there. For me it took several days of focused practice to even get decent with the Venom, and I'm still not perfect with it, albeit getting better and better looking at my solo times. I have seen there's a huge difference between a decent and a good Venom user on conslow.

 

I agree it's easy mode on PC, as I could casually do a sub17 Valkyrie solo with it on my first try. The mouse aiming makes things a LOT easier. I think that's why there is a difference in our opinions 

 

I'd gladly remove fantum DR on PC, but then no place in the HoF and then no epeen   (Unless I keep it secret  )

[Fuenf789]

Lol I don't think anyone was using me, people have genuinely been trying to help me and HAS helped me a lot too but at the same time it's also confused me I think when too many people tried to interfere or help it kinda made it worse. They meant well though, at least that's how I felt it

I just don't think I wanna play with the pros here anymore, not before I get a bit better at the game.

Since I'm still a noob it means that you'd still play with me

Well, I think most of those veterans wanted to share their passion for the game with those that have new manifests. We're all human afterall.

Spoiler

I still learn from those same pros regularly, there are just so much to learn. And after 6000 games some just can't help but be hyper efficient

Some players never get the chance to play with one of those dawgs - 3 is heaven sent. But I have also seen players isolating themselves afterwards in such games, deeply ashamed, since is quite a hit on a overblown self-confidence And overwhelming that efficiency.... Even some long playing guys reside to desperate measures to get a challenge done- to stretch epeen just to keep up. The pressure is on , still 4 years down the line.

But the game also requires one to study the game itself and/or resource library and make up your style yourself.
Maybe , such a point has been reached, now, and you are ready to spread your wings, thank them for the free platinum fish (hoorra douglas adams ), filled to the brim in fat credits and fly!

You'll now meet a cacophony of self-righteous pugs out there , with pretty strange misinformation (making you doubt yourself, or wasting many hours because you believed them, or having a good golden nugget as tip, or totally mute )- since there are no natural cross check of another dawg. But hey! that's the fun!
Enjoy the journey ! Carpe Diem!

You can always visit Loufi Tavern (with bright red lights), share a ale and talk of adventure and lore, with us at AHF...