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[TopTrog]

Crusader, closely followed by Wraith, Raider and Claymore. I am beginning to suspect a correlation to my relative lack of shotgun amps . 

[GeneralXIV]

I have been looking through your manifest a bit and yes at your point it's harder to do damage with much of your weapons especially without reload cancel(RC).

Reload cancel

http://forum.bioware...el-in-consoles/

 

But you got some options: Claymore Human soldier: Setup your other soldier exactly like the other one you have with one difference: in adrenaline rush go for melee damage instead of duration this will make it recycle faster, If you run with a claymore and it recycles it wil give you a free reload instantly so you can double shoot things, learn to shoot normally first and finish off the current or shoot another target with the adrenaline shot + you can use a recycling adrenaline button to RC.

 Use AP ammo+ smart choke and high caliber barrel on the shotgun+ cyclonics if possible on gold.

Try to practice on this with it: http://forum.bioware...points-diagram/

 

Your Jugger with a Reegar is instant plat capable just use your current build with incendiary ammo, shredder mod + extra ammo.

 

... Arktinen already told me what reload cancelling is but I decided not to do it... not yet anyway... the thing is... if I was using something like the Widow... and I could shoot twice as fast as someone else using the same character and gun as me... id get twice as many points... it wouldnt matter how good i was at the game if I could shoot quicker...

... and to me if someone could get a better score than me if non of us are using reload cancelling then they deserve to get a better score... but if I was using it and they werent I wouldnt deserve to score high because its kinda like cheating to me I guess... it gives an unfair advantage by knowing how to do it id prefer not to do it if thats ok... at least for now... if I ever get to a point where I can maybe score high most of the time then reload cancelling would just save me time and maybe stop me from dying... but now it would probably be the only reason why id score high... id rather get more comfortable with the game and learn and experience things to be a better player instead of exploiting things already... if that makes sense...

 

Thank you for the tips though ill be sure to try them maybe not on gold or platinum because... well everything is super low level ive only ever played gold a few times with some of the guys here where they can do everything and it makes it kinda easier but I havent even tried platinum yet... so im playing silver and bronze for now

[Mordokai]

The Lancer. Best gun in the game. Most of you humans are delusional.

 

 

Anybody remembered to bring the booze?

[MrGoldarm]

.. it gives an unfair advantage by knowing how to do it id prefer not to do it if thats ok... at least for now... if I ever get to a point where I can maybe score high most of the time then reload cancelling would just save me time and maybe stop me from dying... but now it would probably be the only reason why id score high... id rather get more comfortable with the game and learn and experience things to be a better player instead of exploiting things already... if that makes sense...

 

It's not an exploit it's a gamemechanic with risk and reward (It can go horribly wrong you know?)

The devs were well aware of it the days after the multiplayer launched,could have patched it out in numerous updates but they see it as a gamemechanic and stated this in these forums.

Don't worry about scoring too high with it, teammates appreciate people that can kill things at a decent rate that means making money faster.

[GeneralXIV]

... im not sure... they wouldnt have made guns with long reload times just to give people a way of cutting it short... even if its part of the game it feels like an unfair advantage

[Mordokai]

... im not sure... they wouldnt have made guns with long reload times just to give people a way of cutting it short... even if its part of the game it feels like an unfair advantage

 

Look at it this way: it's not cheating, it's helping the team. The faster you can kill things, the less time they have to kill you or your team mates. And for that alone, you deserve more points.

 

In the end, it's about success and getting that money. If you're doing good and killing things faster, the whole team benefits from it. Reload canceling enables you to do that.

[MrGoldarm]

... im not sure... they wouldnt have made guns with long reload times just to give people a way of cutting it short... even if its part of the game it feels like an unfair advantage

Advantage over new people maybe but if you are on a pug in plat and carry a widow or claymore  the team relies on your RC for DPS

[GeneralXIV]

Look at it this way: it's not cheating, it's helping the team. The faster you can kill things, the less time they have to kill you or your team mates. And for that alone, you deserve more points.

 

In the end, it's about success and getting that money. If you're doing good and killing things faster, the whole team benefits from it. Reload canceling enables you to do that.

 

... ill think about it... it just isnt so often I come first at the end of the game and I kinda want it to be my achievement when it happens and not because I know something other people dont... you probably think im making a big deal of something you guys think is normal but thats just how my brain works haha

 

 

Advantage over new people maybe but if you are on a pug in plat and carry a widow or claymore  the team relies on your RC for DPS

 

Well it took Arkane and Arktinen to play with me a few times on silver before id do that with random people theres no way im playing platinum any time soon haha... it wouldnt just be an advantage over new people it would be one over anyone who doesnt know how to do it on platinum id probably do it but on bronze and silver which I play I probably wont...

[Mordokai]

... ill think about it... it just isnt so often I come first at the end of the game and I kinda want it to be my achievement when it happens and not because I know something other people dont... you probably think im making a big deal of something you guys think is normal but thats just how my brain works haha

 

Ok, here's another reason for you to start RCing. You get better at game. Before I started doing it, I would never consider taking anything heavier than Eviscerator(didn't have Wraith at the time) on my adepts... now, I'm confident with Claymore adepts, at least some of them. After I started doing reload cancel regularly, I moved from Silver to Gold really fast, because Silver just wasn't challenging anymore.

 

Maybe it's just me, but it feels like the flow of game is much more natural when you RC. Besides, if you're really worried about cheating... you're not cancelling the reload time itself, you're simply cancelling the reload animation. The bullet is already in chamber and the time spent watching the animation if pretty much wasted when it could be spent on shooting.

 

So use your time on Silver and Bronze to learn RC... because when you get to Gold, it's a bad idea to learn the ropes

[Deerber]

Gosh, this again!?!??

RELOAD CANCEL IS A FRIGGING INTENDED MECHANIC, CONFIRMED BY THE FRIGGING DEV WHO FRIGGING PUT IT INTO THE FRIGGING GAME!!!

Alright. I can calm down now XD Sorry didn't mean to be aggressive general, but this has been the topic of discussion for so long on this forum that it's really got to the point where I'm sick of talking about it. Devs spoke. It's intended.

[Salarian Jesus]

Gosh, this again!?!??

RELOAD CANCEL IS A FRIGGING INTENDED MECHANIC, CONFIRMED BY THE FRIGGING DEV WHO FRIGGING PUT IT INTO THE FRIGGING GAME!!!

Alright. I can calm down now XD Sorry didn't mean to be aggressive general, but this has been the topic of discussion for so long on this forum that it's really got to the point where I'm sick of talking about it. Devs spoke. It's intended.

Yep, it has been an intended mechanic ever since ME2. I remember one of the devs posting about it.

[HamleticTortoise]

Gosh, this again!?!??

RELOAD CANCEL IS A FRIGGING INTENDED MECHANIC, CONFIRMED BY THE FRIGGING DEV WHO FRIGGING PUT IT INTO THE FRIGGING GAME!!!

Alright. I can calm down now XD Sorry didn't mean to be aggressive general, but this has been the topic of discussion for so long on this forum that it's really got to the point where I'm sick of talking about it. Devs spoke. It's intended.

 

In fairness, the post that originated this discussion wasn't aimed at whether it is an intended mechanic or not: instead, GeneralXIV was referring to how using RC felt like an unfair advantage when others don't know about it. Using, not abusing

 

GeneralXIV, my opinion is that you play this game the way you want to! If using reload cancel feels unfair to other players, don't do it! However, you can safely assume that RC becomes normal practice on the higher difficulties, so if and when you play on gold, you should definitely not feel bad for other players

[7twozero]

Knowing about (insert game mechanic) gives an advantage over people who don't know about it

[Fuenf789]

Knowing about (insert game mechanic) gives an advantage over people who don't know about it

Hehe- True- with game mechanics - Then we should probably drop the resouce library and I my maps with the spawn points, turret locations, orientation points etc. We should just use the game manual that came with it... Wait wut?

[Darth Volus]

Just read the loading screen tool tips - they give all information you'll ever need 

[Olivia Wilde]

The Talon, both the second best shotgun and second best pistol

[GeneralXIV]

Ok, here's another reason for you to start RCing. You get better at game. Before I started doing it, I would never consider taking anything heavier than Eviscerator(didn't have Wraith at the time) on my adepts... now, I'm confident with Claymore adepts, at least some of them. After I started doing reload cancel regularly, I moved from Silver to Gold really fast, because Silver just wasn't challenging anymore.

 

Maybe it's just me, but it feels like the flow of game is much more natural when you RC. Besides, if you're really worried about cheating... you're not cancelling the reload time itself, you're simply cancelling the reload animation. The bullet is already in chamber and the time spent watching the animation if pretty much wasted when it could be spent on shooting.

 

So use your time on Silver and Bronze to learn RC... because when you get to Gold, it's a bad idea to learn the ropes

 

When ive got better guns and try gold I might do it... but I dont really use my guns so much anyway... I prefer powers I think

 

 

 

Gosh, this again!?!??

RELOAD CANCEL IS A FRIGGING INTENDED MECHANIC, CONFIRMED BY THE FRIGGING DEV WHO FRIGGING PUT IT INTO THE FRIGGING GAME!!!

Alright. I can calm down now XD Sorry didn't mean to be aggressive general, but this has been the topic of discussion for so long on this forum that it's really got to the point where I'm sick of talking about it. Devs spoke. It's intended.

 

Im so sorry I didnt realize... all I knew was what Arktinen said and what you guys told me... im really sorry if I annoyed you

[OneMore1968]

it varies depending on char and build but Talon, Valkyrie, Harrier, Hurricane. anything that fires bullets fast ive never been one for powers, headshots are quicker and more rewarding.

[Arktinen]

In fairness, the post that originated this discussion wasn't aimed at whether it is an intended mechanic or not: instead, GeneralXIV was referring to how using RC felt like an unfair advantage when others don't know about it. Using, not abusing

 

GeneralXIV, my opinion is that you play this game the way you want to! If using reload cancel feels unfair to other players, don't do it! However, you can safely assume that RC becomes normal practice on the higher difficulties, so if and when you play on gold, you should definitely not feel bad for other players

Yep, agreeing with this, and for example Mordokai gave really good viewpoints on it. Why didn't I think of those myself

For example, some people don't hide their missiles on principle. I hide mine though, to get the ugly thing out of my view even though it doesn't give any game advantage.

[Sinful Force]

I have been looking through your manifest a bit and yes at your point it's harder to do damage with much of your weapons especially without reload cancel(RC).

Reload cancel

http://forum.bioware...el-in-consoles/

 

But you got some options: Claymore Human soldier: Setup your other soldier exactly like the other one you have with one difference: in adrenaline rush go for melee damage instead of duration this will make it recycle faster, If you run with a claymore and it recycles it wil give you a free reload instantly so you can double shoot things, learn to shoot normally first and finish off the current or shoot another target with the adrenaline shot + you can use a recycling adrenaline button to RC.

 Use AP ammo+ smart choke and high caliber barrel on the shotgun+ cyclonics if possible on gold.

Try to practice on this with it: http://forum.bioware...points-diagram/

 

Your Jugger with a Reegar is instant plat capable just use your current build with incendiary ammo, shredder mod + extra ammo.

 

Best way to learn to reload cancel on console is on a kit that can't dodge right, down or left (like fat Turian, Krogan, Devastator mode Destroyer, etc.) or at all (Juggernaut, Warlord) or get into hard cover (Volus, Warlord). As doing the action for a dodge or hard cover or action button alone will also act as a cancel for reload. So for Jug and Warlord, all you have to do it press A (X-Box)/X (PS3) button. But for Volus make sure to not press it with a direction since he'll also dodge instead. For somebody like a Batarian who can get into hard cover, never press A/X alone or A/X & up. Always press A/X with right, down, or left, so to avoid also jumping into hard cover.

 

I personally best learned the timing of cancel reloading through the Juggernaut with a Raider.

[Garrus' Eye]

Some people don't reload cancel, on principal. It's not wrong, it's their choice.

Some people don't hide their missile launcer, it's not wrong, it's a personal choice.

Some people missile glitch, it doesn't mean everybody should missile glitch.

Hacking and credit glitching abound on PC, but that doesn't mean everybody should.

 

To get all huffy about someone having fun in a way that doesn't limit your fun IS wrong.

To tell someone they are having fun wrong because it's not the way you have, is wrong.

 

Everyone has a right to choose things for themselves, it's only when people start trying to take away that choice because they don't agree that things stop being OK.

 

Everyone here that is Reload Cancelling would still be doing it if it hadn't been an intended mechanic, they just feel justified because it is "dev approved". Be honest with yourselves, you do it because it makes you better, not because the devs said it was OK, that is just a bonus for you.

 

PS: Yes, I reload cancel. And I hide my missile launcher.

[Deerber]

 

Im so sorry I didnt realize... all I knew was what Arktinen said and what you guys told me... im really sorry if I annoyed you

 

Haha no worries man! I was saying that half tongue-in-cheek. I know you're new, and I don't hold anything against you. I just felt like stating clearly for the nth time something that is clear as day and yet some people here keep confuting, for some misterious reasons known only to them.

 

Sorry, I tried to explain I really didn't have anything against you in the last period there, but I guess I didn't phrase it good enough

 

 

Everyone here that is Reload Cancelling would still be doing it if it hadn't been an intended mechanic, they just feel justified because it is "dev approved". Be honest with yourselves, you do it because it makes you better, not because the devs said it was OK, that is just a bonus for you.

 

Speak for yourself! I reload cancel because it's an intended mechanic. I wouldn't otherwise. Just as I don't incendiary glitch, I don't glitch hacks, I don't run the pizza (though that was technically calssified as "clever use of game mechanics", so I guess it's more about me not enjoying its effects), etc.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

This game has no rules anymore.Do whatever makes you happy

[7twozero]

Some people don't reload cancel, on principal. It's not wrong, it's their choice.
Some people don't hide their missile launcer, it's not wrong, it's a personal choice.
Some people missile glitch, it doesn't mean everybody should missile glitch.
Hacking and credit glitching abound on PC, but that doesn't mean everybody should.

To get all huffy about someone having fun in a way that doesn't limit your fun IS wrong.
To tell someone they are having fun wrong because it's not the way you have, is wrong.

Everyone has a right to choose things for themselves, it's only when people start trying to take away that choice because they don't agree that things stop being OK.

Everyone here that is Reload Cancelling would still be doing it if it hadn't been an intended mechanic, they just feel justified because it is "dev approved". Be honest with yourselves, you do it because it makes you better, not because the devs said it was OK, that is just a bonus for you.

PS: Yes, I reload cancel. And I hide my missile launcher.

You say it like those are all the same types of thing

[Darth Volus]

This game has no rules anymore.Do whatever makes you happy

 

 

You mean be like Geth? NEVAR!