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[In Exile]

No please Andromeda don't learn from TW3.

Learn from TW2.

In what sense? TW2 had the better story and plot elements, plus IMO the cooler premise for reactivity, but TW3 was absolutely the better game.

[dreamgazer]

In what sense? TW2 had the better story and plot elements, plus IMO the cooler premise for reactivity, but TW3 was absolutely the better game.

What made it a better game, though? The contracts?

[Joseph Warrick]

lol as if Mass Effect was Anita Sarkeesian's utopia game.

 

Countless hot chicks literally throw themselves at Sheploo, usually after he rescues them.

 

I think Anita would find that highly problematic and possibly transphobic or maybe non-binaryphobic.

[In Exile]

What made it a better game, though? The contracts?

The gameplay and the quest design. And when I say gameplay I mean the combat, along with the menu, UI, crafting, and dialogue (not so much the interface but the paraphrase). Plus the addictive Gwent. The way it handled it's open world as a kind of mix between the zoned areas of Bioware games that TW was based on, with a melding of the AC games style of open world and more direct RPG questing. Plus the way they interlace side quests and main quests in a way that did not make it obvious which is which.

[Jedi Comedian]

In what sense?

Story-wise/character-wise/atmosphere-wise.

Gimme a story about assassins of kings over The Path anyday.

[In Exile]

Story-wise/character-wise/atmosphere-wise.

Gimme a story about assassins of kings over The Path anyday.

I mean, sure. But that's not something you can recapture or repeat easily. Case in point TW3 failed to do it.

[SNascimento]

If Bioware wants to look back at something, all they should do is look to Baldur's Gate 2, KoTOR and Mass Effect 2. 

Best case scenario Andromeda takes the best of these thee games and further improves interaction and cinematic dialogue with newer technology. Do that, and Andromeda will be the best game Bioware ever made. 

[DuskWanderer]

If Bioware wants to look back at something, all they should do is look to Baldur's Gate 2, KoTOR and Mass Effect 2. 

Best case scenario Andromeda takes the best of these thee games and further improves interaction and cinematic dialogue with newer technology. Do that, and Andromeda will be the best game Bioware ever made. 

You have to admit though, the combat in ME3 was better. ME2 was good, but the way they balanced the harder modes just felt a bit tacked on.

[Majestic Jazz]

Sorry, but it's YOU who's (to quote you!) DISGUSTING!

Geralt is not forcing anybody to sell themselves (hell, he often enough helps unfortunate people (sometimes for pay, because he's doing his job as a monster slayer for hire, but also sometimes because people get handed a lousy lot in life!) - and often enough they **** all over him for it, some even spit at him or try to kill him! Not to mention all the racist/derogatory coments that get flung his way constantly (Sorry, but I normally am quite peaceful, but the Witcher world sometimes made me want to slaugther all the ungrateful peasants around me (note: I've been bullied as a child, so I am sensitive to this kind of thing, it's a sore spot you shouldn't constantly hit as it makes me react badly!)) or anything...he's as much a victim of that world as everybody else (including the high and mighty sorceresses who people fear despite most of them not even wanting to muck around in peasants lives etc.)

He's not "a white dude", he's not even really human (anymore - his mutations making him close to a new species, look at his eyes damned (and those scars - most of wounds they come from would KILL a normal human!))

Also: This world is supposed to mimick Poland in the middle ages (just with magic and monsters - and witchers who were MADE (they aren't natural) to combat those monsters (at a high price: they are firstly infertile and secondly: the survival rate of the trials is not very high!))

Not that it's close, I mean look at this world, there's women soldiers, minstrels/singers, actors, doctors etc. and even a queen if you help out the Crach an Crait's daughter during the council meeting (that get's ruined and now you need to find out who murdered several of the Arls!)...so no, women aren't really extremely discriminated against (reality was probably WORSE!)

The repressed/persecuted minorities AREN'T HUMAN either (elfs, dwarfs etc.) - sure racism isn't great (you can put a stop to it in some quests and I always do, but Geralt is normally neutral (witcher-code!) because he's supposed to work for EVERYBODY), but it's not human-racism (so don't imply that!)

Yes, Geralt is COLD, but you have to remember he's around 100 years old (!) because witchers don't age (or at least they age so slowly that most don't get old and retire because they are usually killed fighting some monster (or because racists kill them (!) - so it's really not Geralt who's racist...did you even play the damned games?) and has lived in a world that fears and despises him for the most part (he's a necessary evil for most people, but not one they like to have around if there isn't a monster to slay!), he's got no home, no income (if he doesn't get a monster contract he'll starve!) and he's got no girlfriend or wife (sorry: Yennefer doesn't count, she's always abusing him IMHO...that's why I am changing all that in my runs (he goes with Triss in TW3 and he now has that vineyard!)) so is it any wounder he sleeps around? (also: A lot of women want to sleep with him, particularly because he can't get them pregnant!)

Dude-Bro-Simulator? - *Insert rant and expletives here* You are just an SJW and a hater, sorry (and I don't even normally want to use this MGTOW-Word as I am not as jaded as many of them are - yet (it can still happen!))

No they AREN'T BETTER THAN THIS - in fact their 3 last games weren't that good (the Dragon Age ones were decent, but not up to their usual standard and ME3 was a train-wreck, a disaster!)

Damned, I don't normally feed trolls like that, but this guy really needs a dose of reality (in RL I'd slap him with my open hand (you can dislike/hate "The Witcher" - got no problem with that! - but do so with good arguments, not some unsubstantiated BS!)

ps: I think they could learn some lessons from "The Witcher" (not only the third game, but ALL OF THEM!)!

Wow you really took the bait....

[dreamgazer]

If Bioware wants to look back at something, all they should do is look to Baldur's Gate 2, KoTOR and Mass Effect 2.

Nah, let's leave the daddy issues, railroading, and color-coded mercs back in the Milky Way.

[Winke Ahhon]

Got my popcorn ready for this but where's the....

 

[DuskWanderer]

Got my popcorn ready for this but where's the....

 

That GIF needs jazz hands. 

[dreamgazer]

The gameplay and the quest design. And when I say gameplay I mean the combat, along with the menu, UI, crafting, and dialogue (not so much the interface but the paraphrase). Plus the addictive Gwent. The way it handled it's open world as a kind of mix between the zoned areas of Bioware games that TW was based on, with a melding of the AC games style of open world and more direct RPG questing. Plus the way they interlace side quests and main quests in a way that did not make it obvious which is which.

I can respect that explanation, though I stand firm on the contract formula being a crutch.

... and, unfortunately, I didn't care for Gwent. I'd rather play Magic: The Gathering.

[O'Voutie O'Rooney]

I went to university when the initial stages of the obsession over gender, race, and class began. Now it has morphed into a religion and a mythos. It has grabbed hold of people's minds to the point that they are incapable of seeing the world in any other terms. They can't even troll in any other terms. It has made people annoying and predictable. Entertainment more and more resmbles a secular version of Bible school. All I ask is that Bioware not do these things. Just make a good game. Don't preach to me about "social justice" but otherwise use common sense.

[CHRrOME]

Damn it! I'm super late to the party. Anyways, already 12 pages and counting...

 

[Seraphim24]

lol as if Mass Effect was Anita Sarkeesian's utopia game.

 

Countless hot chicks literally throw themselves at Sheploo, usually after he rescues them.

 

I think Anita would find that highly problematic and possibly transphobic or maybe non-binaryphobic.

 

She mentioned the Miranda butt thing.

 

To be honest she cited ME as positive and negative so who knows...

[In Exile]

I can respect that explanation, though I stand firm on the contract formula being a crutch.

... and, unfortunately, I didn't care for Gwent. I'd rather play Magic: The Gathering.

What do you mean by it being a crutch? Ultimately, that's part of the premise of the setting - Geralt is a monster hunter.

[dreamgazer]

What do you mean by it being a crutch? Ultimately, that's part of the premise of the setting - Geralt is a monster hunter.

That's my point: it's the same quest template over and over because Geralt is supernatural pest control. It's a side-mission crutch.

[SmilesJA]

I did love how they did the open world in Witcher 3, so Bioware should draw from that.

[SmilesJA]

That's my point: it's the same quest template over and over because Geralt is supernatural pest control. It's a side-mission crutch.

 

I agree, while It was fun negotiating contracts and slaying different monsters at first. It repetitive after a while.

[DuskWanderer]

That's my point: it's the same quest template over and over because Geralt is supernatural pest control. It's a side-mission crutch.

Fits in with his job though. But what would you like to see?

[Seraphim24]

I think I already stated SWTOR is flat out better open world than TW3 or Skyrim somewhere... ok I didn't say that but it's true.

 

TW3 is close but SWTOR was just more immersive for w/e reason.

 

Honestly that whole game was sublime.

[LPPrince]

I never felt the contract system in TW3 was repetitive.

[JamieCOTC]

Although from what I hear imitating TW3's side quests wouldn't hurt the ME franchise at all.

[In Exile]

That's my point: it's the same quest template over and over because Geralt is supernatural pest control. It's a side-mission crutch.

I disagree. It's the premise, and it's his basic sidequest. It would be a crutch if it had no connection to the world apart from it being an easy thing to do - but it's the opposite. And they're all interesting vignettes. I think this is the very essence of a minor time filling sidequest, and exactly the way you hide your repetitive design. It's basically what DAO did, BG2 etc.