it's funny to see how the "mysoginistic" Witcher portrays a female character which is the most charismatic, empowered, free, strong and independent female character from recent videogame history, and more feminist than anything Bioware has been able to come up with:
Ciri.
Bioware is all about gimmicks for the LGBT community. It's part of their brand. But if you want to see truly empowered females, you have to look at what CDPR does.
Ciri is the worst character in the series though.
I think some people might have problems when something is there for the sake of itself, and not to makes the game better. There was that transgender (I think) companion with Bull in DAI that when I played I thought: "wow, this is only here for show". As I understand, it didn't make the game more diverse or add a thematic issue that was explored. It was there just so someone can say: diversity! Of couse, I might have missed content that further explores this. I can't know.
Personally, I don't have a problem with that. I do think it's cheap thought. But maybe it's better than nothing at all?
My only problem with BW is that they look at the gender, sexuality, and race too much and then design the character around that one aspect and then use them as a tool to preach politics. I could care less about BW's personal politics, what matters the most is the final product, was it good? I personally thought the Iron Bull/Krem handling was terrible.
Krem would have had a much better impact if he was a main companion and maybe a LI. Instead it felt like he was carted out so BW could brag about having a trans character in the game and to tell players how stupid they are for not walking on eggshells around him.
I still dont get it.I think some people might have problems when something is there for the sake of itself, and not to makes the game better. There was that transgender (I think) companion with Bull in DAI that when I played I thought: "wow, this is only here for show". As I understand, it didn't make the game more diverse or add a thematic issue that was explored. It was there just so someone can say: diversity! Of couse, I might have missed content that further explores this. I can't know.
Personally, I don't have a problem with that. I do think it's cheap thought. But maybe it's better than nothing at all?
My only problem with BW is that they look at the gender, sexuality, and race too much and then design the character around that one aspect and then use them as a tool to preach politics. I could care less about BW's personal politics, what matters the most is the final product, was it good? I personally thought the Iron Bull/Krem handling was terrible.
Krem would have had a much better impact if he was a main companion and maybe a LI. Instead it felt like he was carted out so BW could brag about having a trans character in the game and to tell players how stupid they are for not walking on eggshells around him.
You realize people would have make riots against Krem as a companion and LI, don't you? People are freaking out for an Asari with eyebrows and not modeled as Miss Arizona Beauty Pageant. Regardless I would like to have him as a squadmember, the amount of senseless hate he would arise... He arised a lot of hate for no reason. 
You realize people would have make riots against Krem as a companion and LI, don't you? People are freaking out for an Asari with eyebrows and not modeled as Miss Arizona Beauty Pageant. Regardless I would like to have him as a squadmember, the amount of senseless hate he would arise... He arised a lot of hate for no reason.
I think Bioware's strategy is to take the introduction of trans and intersex people sloooooowly. I remember when gay characters began to be introduced to entertainment media way back when and at first they were just minor characters and were slowly moved into larger and larger roles. Trans characters will probably be moved into larger roles as soon as people begin to wrap their head around the idea that they're people too. A lot of entertainment media pushes social boundaries and is used as a method to educate. This is nothing new.
@Hazegurl agreed. Bull and Krem have their time as teachers for the unenlightened masses. BW is like "let's teach people about trans and sadomasochism". A sadly frequent paternalistic attitude in the regressive left.
In all seriousness, I was saying this about 4 years ago in this site, that Bioware doesn't approach these topics with a light touch. It's fine to present it in the game, but ideally people want it to be a seamless and integrated in the story so thoroughly that it doesn't stand out as preachy. I even listened to interviews with Gaider and he's well aware of the pitfalls. But when it comes up in their games, it often comes off as patronizing or 'lesson time' in social issues.
In all seriousness, I was saying this about 4 years ago in this site, that Bioware doesn't approach these topics with a light touch. It's fine to present it in the game, but ideally people want it to be a seamless and integrated in the story so thoroughly that it doesn't stand out as preachy. I even listened to interviews with Gaider and he's well aware of the pitfalls. But when it comes up in their games, it often comes off as patronizing or 'lesson time' in social issues.
Everybody likes a good old fashion troll bait thread! I'm surprised to see how many fish you caught with it, OP... Good job!!
The Witcher 3 was in the title tho. Everyone's favourite topic.
I think some people might have problems when something is there for the sake of itself, and not to makes the game better. There was that transgender (I think) companion with Bull in DAI that when I played I thought: "wow, this is only here for show". As I understand, it didn't make the game more diverse or add a thematic issue that was explored. It was there just so someone can say: diversity! Of couse, I might have missed content that further explores this. I can't know.
Personally, I don't have a problem with that. I do think it's cheap thought. But maybe it's better than nothing at all?
I didn't think Iron Bull's friend uhh...what's his face...Krem(had to look it up). I didn't think that was there for "show" though I could see how someone would look at it that way. I liked that Krem was transgender because it wasn't made a narrative point, it was just a thing. Krem just happened to be transgender. My annoyance was more with Dorian's quest with his dad. I'd rather see games have more Samantha Traynor's, Krem's, and Steve Cortez's, where their sexuality is not a narrative point and just exists. Making a fuss about someone being gay, like a whole quest around it, that had me like, "C'mon now. Really?"
As for TW3, I liked how in one of the quests where you play as Ciri you can decide where Ciri's bisexuality currently lies through her own dialogue+actions and its just for character building. No quest revolves around it, there's no whining, its not "Ooh, drama!" Actually you kinda have two choices in the same quest to decide what she's feeling at that moment, one being a dialogue option and the other being a physical option. Basically so you can headcanon if Ciri's bisexuality has her having an even split of attraction or leaning more towards men/women over the other.
We've heard so much about TW3 in these forums. About how great and wonderful it is. And that really scares me. Especially considering how problematic the game is. Its lack of respect for women, homosexuals and minorities being the major ones. In the entire game, you play as some old, boring, white dude who can go around sleeping with young women, who are often prostitutes and are forced to sell themselves. The fact that the developers thought it would be a good idea to allow players to take advantage of disadvantaged women is disgusting. There is so much misogyny in the game. Women are treated like crap everywhere. Then there's the lack of racial diversity and lack of representation for the LGBT community as well.
Bioware, please don't let this disgusting dudebro simulator influence you. The game is stupid and has a really despicable protagonist. Please don't ruin Mass Effect by imitating CD Project Red. You're better than this.
I've been shitposting on 4chan since 2006 and I like to think I'm a master of it, but then I run into posts like this and I realize I have so much to learn, like someone who has mastered martial arts but doesn't understand inner mastery. I will try harder, sensei.
In all seriousness, I was saying this about 4 years ago in this site, that Bioware doesn't approach these topics with a light touch. It's fine to present it in the game, but ideally people want it to be a seamless and integrated in the story so thoroughly that it doesn't stand out as preachy. I even listened to interviews with Gaider and he's well aware of the pitfalls. But when it comes up in their games, it often comes off as patronizing or 'lesson time' in social issues.
Mass Effect has done a decent job so far, I think. People (on the BSN ) who are unhappy with ME are generally mad because they feel it hasn't made enough progress to suit their taste.
DAI made the mistake of putting its characters on soapboxes to preach. In previous BioWare games, for the most part, the characters simply were who they were, whoever that might be. I hope MEA avoids the soapbox approach. It destroys verisimilitude.
Yep. This is why people get on Bioware's case about SJWness. Better to make it seamless and natural instead of, "Lesson time!"
It already has the Mako.
That seems not very original then! It's seems they take Dragon Age world and some arc points from Game of Thrones and mixed altogether!? Is not a good game then?
I heard you can make Gerry to be a vampire and you have to sleep all day until it's dark. That sounds good in theory but I really don't like to watch my character sleeping in a Truman Show weird kind of way.
At the end Gerry dies again or you can choose? Do your choices even matter?
Haha.
The Witcher universe existed long before Bioware even created the DA universe. The games are based off a series of books.
What I really want to know is why Ciri's eyebrows aren't white.
What I really want to know is why Ciri's eyebrows aren't white.
Same reason Geralt's are dark.
I've been shitposting on 4chan since 2006 and I like to think I'm a master of it, but then I run into posts like this and I realize I have so much to learn, like someone who has mastered martial arts but doesn't understand inner mastery. I will try harder, sensei.
I didn't think Iron Bull's friend uhh...what's his face...Krem(had to look it up). I didn't think that was there for "show" though I could see how someone would look at it that way. I liked that Krem was transgender because it wasn't made a narrative point, it was just a thing. Krem just happened to be transgender. My annoyance was more with Dorian's quest with his dad. I'd rather see games have more Samantha Traynor's, Krem's, and Steve Cortez's, where their sexuality is not a narrative point and just exists. Making a fuss about someone being gay, like a whole quest around it, that had me like, "C'mon now. Really?"
This is easily the funniest thread on the BSN since the "sexist staff of the archon" thread a while back. Unfortunately that one was serious though.
I can't say I liked the fact that Dorian's issues with his Dad were centered on his sexuality - but at the same time, I'm not sure how or why that's any different from some of the other daddy issues we've seen.
It's like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. To me, the point was daddy issue based on Dorian's refusal to marry the woman selected for him. I think there was a similar situation in DAO's City Elf Origin, where the character was going into a forced marriage.
Would it have been more acceptable if Dorian stated some other reason for refusing to marry the partner selected for him?
Gonna be honest, yeah(though since he's gay it should come up, naturally). I think the reason it annoyed me is because it was specifically a sexuality thing that came up, or at least thats how I understood it(dad trying to make him not gay). I prefer stories where characters' sexualities are not made to be so important to a story. I don't care if its straight, gay, bi, pan, a, or whatever;just let a character's sexuality be a thing and leave it be. Could be a side effect of seeing so many "Can I sleep with this character" threads on this forum actually. After a while you're just like, "Damn, can we not?"
Why is it that if we have a black or gay character, that is somehow, "not normal" and needs further explanation?
Because it's about perception.
Society doesn't see all these things as the same. Indeed, there are places even today that being homosexual is considered a disease, a sin, or whatever non-sense people can think about. If you go a bit to the past, not much mind you, you will find people that see black people as inferior to white.
It's the same as why calling a black people black might be viewed as racist while calling a white people white not. Ideally, there would be no racist connotation in neither, but alas because of historical and cultural factors that's not the case.
And that's why when a work of fiction tackles this inequalities, one might expect it to explore the theme. Sense8 is amazing work in that regard. And indeed, I like how Mass Effect 3 handled it. It was no big deal, just like in 'The Expanse'. Both works consider that in the future those prejudices will be a thing of the past, and I do hope they are right.
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