Yep. This is why people get on Bioware's case about SJWness. Better to make it seamless and natural instead of, "Lesson time!"
If there hadn't been a lesson in regards to Krem, plenty of people would have completely missed the transgender aspect and thought he was a woman, including me.
If there hadn't been a lesson in regards to Krem, plenty of people would have completely missed the transgender aspect and thought he was a woman, including me.
I didn't really feel like there was a lesson with Krem though. If there was I missed it or I just don't remember how it was depicted. I was cool with Krem cause I felt Krem being transgender wasn't pushed on me with big glowing neon signs or anything. Krem was just transgender.
I thought he was a dude, but the voice sounded really weird.If there hadn't been a lesson in regards to Krem, plenty of people would have completely missed the transgender aspect and thought he was a woman, including me.
I thought he was a dude, but the voice sounded really weird.
i also thought he was born male until the question popped up, and i thought he had a very nice voice, not all to masculine but thats okay with me.
I agree, the convo leading up to Krem talking about his boobs was just awkward to me, like the writers just needed to get that info out there. I do think you can ignore it and greet the other members of the group, but if you choose to pursue the info dump, you gotta go with the most vague choice in the dialogue tree not to be considered an a** and get preached to by IB of all people, which I find hilarious considering his culture before it got retconned in this same scene.
With Dorian, I hated the daddy issues quest overall but I could have tolerated it more if it wasn't one big pray the gay away analogy. Meanwhile, his so called friends who joined the Venatori were just random NPCs we kill and never talk about.
I personally liked the way CDPR handled gay characters. None of them felt the need to stand on a soapbox, no retconning of their universe to fit it in, they were nice people, schemers, and villains just like everyone else could be. Even when there was a misunderstanding between Mislav and Geralt, it wasn't a "how dare you not know this!"(which is how Krem's scene came across). Mislav simply explained his situation and left it at that and Geralt could either offer words of comfort or not.
Gonna be honest, yeah(though since he's gay it should come up, naturally). I think the reason it annoyed me is because it was specifically a sexuality thing that came up, or at least thats how I understood it(dad trying to make him not gay). I prefer stories where characters' sexualities are not made to be so important to a story. I don't care if its straight, gay, bi, pan, a, or whatever;just let a character's sexuality be a thing and leave it be.
Could be a side effect of seeing so many "Can I sleep with this character" threads on this forum actually. After a while you're just like, "Damn, can we not?"
lol is this thread even about Mass Effect anymore? Was it about Mass Effect in the first place? Oh well just surprised to see this bait thread last so long.
lol is this thread even about Mass Effect anymore? Was it about Mass Effect in the first place? Oh well just surprised to see this bait thread last so long.
Actually, the real question is: is this a thread about The Wire 3 anymore? Was it about Gerry the Vampire of Riverndell in the first place? 
I think Bioware's strategy is to take the introduction of trans and intersex people sloooooowly. I remember when gay characters began to be introduced to entertainment media way back when and at first they were just minor characters and were slowly moved into larger and larger roles. Trans characters will probably be moved into larger roles as soon as people begin to wrap their head around the idea that they're people too. A lot of entertainment media pushes social boundaries and is used as a method to educate. This is nothing new.
^^^^ I hope so 
Although I understand why some people didn't like the boob introduction with Krem and Iron Bull, at the same time I get the impression some other people just don't want transgender to exist in videogames and that attitude is hardly justified .
It's not about animal abuse and exploitation of female elves in a medieval world, at the moment, sooooo....lol is this thread even about Mass Effect anymore? Was it about Mass Effect in the first place? Oh well just surprised to see this bait thread last so long.
Witcher 3 is a dudebro simulator but Mass Effect isn't? L.O.L. Thanks for the laugh, that was good.
Never played The Witcher. Any good? Only saw trailers and bunch of dlc.
Never played The Witcher. Any good? Only saw trailers and bunch of dlc.
You can easily make a game with people of varying genders and sexualities, without forcing a heteronormative and misogynistic setting on everyone.
People forced you to buy games now? When exactly did they do that? Better yet - when did the fact that the focus of games had failed to switch from the actual plot and traditional game play to shoehorning gay sexuality into every crevice one could truly begin to bother you? At The Witcher 3 debut? At the Arena debut? At the Wizardry debut? Zork? When, is what I'm getting at.
They can also "easily" make a game with people of whatever gender and sexuality would appear typical in an average society for what the designers were going after without forcing a political statement on everyone. I think the majority of gamers will be just fine with that, given that most people play games looking for something more than what they get fed day in and day out through the 6:00 news.
If I were you I'd have stopped at "Don't force everyone to play the same generic retread character, a la Witcher 3". That would have been a hit here. Nobody wants to do that.
Ciri is the worst character in the series though.
Not the worst - I like Dandelion less (his tendency to get into trouble and being a fool at everything that doesn't involve sleeping around, singing, poetry and playing an instrument is LEGENDARY...)
Still, Ciri is not all that great:
She's whining constantly IMHO (I mean: She swore of magic and even trying to control her elder-blood-powers at the first sign she might not be able to control them (she only later on learns a little bit about those powers out of necessity and she never touches magic again!)) and depending on others (if she could fully control all her powers she could actively fight the Wild Hunt without all that much of a problem, because she can just teleport out if it gets too much, a luxury no one else has (portals are nice, but casting one in the middle of a fight is not a good idea and using such a portal might kill you after all!), but nope, her majesty doesn't need her powers, she's "a witcher" (despite never having undergone ANY of the mutations - oh, sure she's good with a sword and all that, but she's not even using a fraction of her potential - because they feared that she might be harmed (survival chances aren't that high for male candidates and the mutagens are tailored for men, so females might die in even greater numbers - unless of course a sorceress would stabilize her, like Yennefer does with Avalla'ch))...give me a break Ciri!)
Note: This is also were the game blunders IMHO (if you haven't read the books that is - note: I didn't, but I will soon), the lack of emotional ties to Ciri (Why should I help her? I mean yes, Geralt has ties to her, but the player doesn't, so again: Why?)...TW3 is a great game, one of the best last year, but it could have been better if they gave us a better start (more emotional investment in Ciri and - dare I say it? - Yennefer (note: I dislike her, her treatment of Geralt is abysmal...Sorry, Yen, I am NOT your dog/thug/muscle, if you love me don't treat me as a disposable schmuck you can boss around and withhold information from me and don't take your ****** insecurities out on me...grow up damned!), because as it stands I only cared for Ciri because the main quest told me I should and because Triss would be cross with me if I didn't!), like say a longer flashback, more scenes, not just a little running an duelling, but stuff like comforting Ciri when she needs it etc.
Still, it did a lot of things RIGHT so Bioware, EA, Activision, Blizzard etc. (almost every company in the business!) could learn a thing or two from The Witcher!
To be fair, Bioware is very clearly pushing an agenda with their LGBT characters, they're not even being subtle about it. At least in DAI. And it's not like they can't be subtle about it, Briala and Celene's relationship was sans preaching but yeah. Let's dispel the fiction that Bioware does not know what they are doing, they know exactly what they are doing.
Personally I find it a bit heavy handed at times but I find it hard to be put off by it considering the core message/idea they're trying to communicate.
To be fair, Bioware is very clearly pushing an agenda with their LGBT characters, they're not even being subtle about it. At least in DAI. And it's not like they can't be subtle about it, Briala and Celene's relationship was sans preaching but yeah. Let's dispel the fiction that Bioware does not know what they are doing, they know exactly what they are doing.
Personally I find it a bit heavy handed at times but I find it hard to be put off by it considering the core message/idea they're trying to communicate.
I'd rather they didn't(push an agenda if thats what it is). I dig how it was handled in TW3 and hell, one of the few good things about ME3 is how it handled its LGBT characters, but it feels cheesy as hell in DA:I.
To be fair, Bioware is very clearly pushing an agenda with their LGBT characters, they're not even being subtle about it. At least in DAI. And it's not like they can't be subtle about it, Briala and Celene's relationship was sans preaching but yeah. Let's dispel the fiction that Bioware does not know what they are doing, they know exactly what they are doing.
Personally I find it a bit heavy handed at times but I find it hard to be put off by it considering the core message/idea they're trying to communicate.
The fact that they are so heavy-handed is exactly what sets me off. Celene and Briala's relationship was an excellent look at both a relationship and the audience reaction to it. Not because it was a healthy relationship (indeed, it's downright toxic), but it showed us that lesbian relationships are just like straight relationships, and they can be good or bad for reasons unrelated to lady parts.
As for the audience reaction, look at how many people were willing to ignore the bad aspects of the relationship because they are lesbians.
To be fair, Bioware is very clearly pushing an agenda with their LGBT characters, they're not even being subtle about it. At least in DAI. And it's not like they can't be subtle about it, Briala and Celene's relationship was sans preaching but yeah. Let's dispel the fiction that Bioware does not know what they are doing, they know exactly what they are doing.
Personally I find it a bit heavy handed at times but I find it hard to be put off by it considering the core message/idea they're trying to communicate.
What "agenda" are they pushing? Because so far everything I've seen - and by everything we've got Dorian's one quest and Krem's introduction - seems to be that 1) conversion therapy is an immoral invasion of personal autonomy and 2) anti-trans prejudice is bad. These are not controversial ideas.
Is TW3 pushing an agenda because it's got parables like prejudice is bad (because we've got multiple quests on that one)?
I consider the thought of being transgender as silly than those crazy Twi-hards who think they are vampires. The fact that I'm supposed to accept Krem as something she's not bothers me. Krem is a woman, perhaps she would prefer to be a man, perhaps she doesn't like the idea of fighting in women only units. I'm okay with all of those things, but not this one.
Particularly when my opinion wouldn't make a difference: Krem answers to Bull, not the Inquisitor. So why force only one choice?
It's things like that which, although I won't say they're pushing an agenda, tells me they shouldn't write those kinds of stories because the writing staff lacks the maturity to write such a tale.
Yeah, not having this debate. You're going to have to live with the reality that your views are considered nearing the level of objectionable as those of, say, bigots. That's just the mainstream view, and becoming more mainstream. That's not "pushing an agenda", as I say, anymore that trite morals like prejudice is bad.I consider the thought of being transgender as silly than those crazy Twi-hards who think they are vampires. The fact that I'm supposed to accept Krem as something she's not bothers me. Krem is a woman, perhaps she would prefer to be a man, perhaps she doesn't like the idea of fighting in women only units. I'm okay with all of those things, but not this one.
Particularly when my opinion wouldn't make a difference: Krem answers to Bull, not the Inquisitor. So why force only one choice?
It's things like that which, although I won't say they're pushing an agenda, tells me they shouldn't write those kinds of stories because the writing staff lacks the maturity to write such a tale.
Honestly? The fact that their stances are so safe is one of the things that bugs me. It doesn't take any miral courage to say "conversion therapy is bad" when Exodus International shut down aroound the time DAI came out. A more subtle homphobia that pricked the conscience of people who are likely to play the game would've been braver.What "agenda" are they pushing? Because so far everything I've seen - and by everything we've got Dorian's one quest and Krem's introduction - seems to be that 1) conversion therapy is an immoral invasion of personal autonomy and 2) anti-trans prejudice is bad. These are not controversial ideas.
Is TW3 pushing an agenda because it's got parables like prejudice is bad (because we've got multiple quests on that one)?
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