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[SofaJockey]

Clearly BioWare will be influenced by some great games. Influenced, not directed.

The three GOTY recently were:

• The Last Of Us
• Dragon Age Inquisition
• The Witcher III

I'd hope to see some influence of what those games did really well, if appropriate to Mass Effect.

 

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* foolishness *

 

And please don't start getting into this debate @DuskWanderer, there are plenty of DAI threads on this topic that will not only give you lessons about Krem, but some useful real life lessons as well.

 

Krem has made it crystal clear what his position is on the matter, so that's really the end of it.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Never played The Witcher. Any good? Only saw trailers and bunch of dlc. 

Do yourself a favor and play it. Infinitely better than DAI. Makes it look like a bad joke.

 

I'd rather they didn't(push an agenda if thats what it is). I dig how it was handled in TW3 and hell, one of the few good things about ME3 is how it handled its LGBT characters, but it feels cheesy as hell in DA:I.

Steve was great, but Samantha was the opposite!

[nfi42]

What "agenda" are they pushing? Because so far everything I've seen - and by everything we've got Dorian's one quest and Krem's introduction - seems to be that 1) conversion therapy is an immoral invasion of personal autonomy and 2) anti-trans prejudice is bad. These are not controversial ideas.
 

 

My main concern with this two instances of "agenda pushing"  is not that they were pushing the agendas,  it's that both ideas were boring. Particularly Krem.  I did quite enjoy Dorian as a character,  but not his quest.

[Lulupab]

TW3 is not for everyone though, specially if they have not played previous witcher games.

 

Because 75% of the game will not make sense.

[Xilizhra]

Do yourself a favor and play it. Infinitely better than DAI. Makes it look like a bad joke.

That itself is a bad joke. Or do you propose that everyone could actually enjoy themselves with one character?

[LPPrince]

Yeah, not having this debate. You're going to have to live with the reality that your views are considered nearing the level of objectionable as those of, say, bigots. That's just the mainstream view, and becoming more mainstream. That's not "pushing an agenda", as I say, anymore that trite morals like prejudice is bad.

 

 

I'm with Exile on this one. If there is an agenda being pushed, its to push for more acceptance of LGBT characters and such. I got no problem with that, my problem is with its execution.

 

I personally have no hate or dislike for LGBT characters, my issue is that I want them included without any of the drama that comes along with it. It shouldn't feel like its being pushed, it should just be there.

 

Sam- "I'm gay." Shep- "Cool." Good

 

Steve- "I'm gay." Shep- "Cool." Good

 

Dorian- "I'm gay and my daddy didn't like me and he tried to make me not gay *rabble rabble rabble*" Inq- "I'm supposed to help with this, aren't I? You should talk to your dad and eat mallomars together" Not feeling it

 

Its weird, I prefer its implementation in A Song of Ice and Fire, The Witcher, but in DA its just...what? Thats not even entirely true, in DAO I didn't find issue with Zevran or Leliana, their sexualities felt natural and were just factors of their characters.

 

But with DA2 we had a whole romanceable cast of "You can romance me if you want, no matter what you're like!" which felt fake as hell, then DA:I made romances feel way more believable(thank goodness) but still had Dorian's thing. Which is not to say Dorian's issues aren't believable, it just felt like it didn't need to be there and those issues were put there less for him and more for the sake of putting those issues in the player's face.

 

Maybe its hard for me to describe, I don't know if other's are on my wavelength here.

[LPPrince]

Steve was great, but Samantha was the opposite!

 

How so? Genuinely curious.

 

*sits down by the fire with ale in hand*

 

Do tell, Cirilla Fiona Elen Riannon.

[Steelcan]

TW3 is not for everyone though, specially if they have not played previous witcher games.

 

Because 75% of the game will not make sense.

I did fine with having only read up on some bits from TW1 and a LP of TW2

[Steelcan]

That itself is a bad joke. Or do you propose that everyone could actually enjoy themselves with one character?

I don't see why its so controversial.

 

Maybe some people just can't get over the hangup of "RPG" =/= I can do and say anything as anyone.  Though I suppose I've thought of TW as more like AC but with more player input.

[Fiery Phoenix]

That itself is a bad joke. Or do you propose that everyone could actually enjoy themselves with one character?

Wasn't proposing anything, Xil. As someone who has put 100+ hours into both games, I can say that Witcher 3 does quests, exploration, storytelling, and combat much more competently than DAI. DAI has the better art style and characters (overall), but that's about it.

How so? Genuinely curious.

*sits down by the fire with ale in hand*

Do tell, Cirilla Fiona Elen Riannon.

Samantha wasn't as well-written as Steve, IMHO. Her 'romance' felt tacked-on with little thought behind it. You could replace FemShep with DudeShep and it would work just fine. I also found that shower scene cringeworthy.

[Majestic Jazz]

We have to remember, the lead writer, David Gaider is gay himself. I do not know if that has anything to do with anything.

[Xilizhra]

I don't see why its so controversial.

 

Maybe some people just can't get over the hangup of "RPG" =/= I can do and say anything as anyone.  Though I suppose I've thought of TW as more like AC but with more player input.

Because I have absolutely no intention of ever playing anyone like Geralt, and it feels kind of absurd that that they expect me to.

[LPPrince]

I did fine with having only read up on some bits from TW1 and a LP of TW2

 

 

Others did fine with LP's of TW1 and having only played TW2, so yeah. I think going into TW3 is fine.

[LPPrince]

Because I have absolutely no intention of ever playing anyone like Geralt, and it feels kind of absurd that that they expect me to.

 

What is so bad about a character like Geralt that its "absurd" to expect someone to play as him? Because its objectively not absurd considering how many already have.

[Lulupab]

I did fine with having only read up on some bits from TW1 and a LP of TW2

 

Well I think you read quite a bit then.

 

I ended up rage quitting in middle of TW3 and going back and playing the previous games with cheats and rushing through them because i really didn't like them, specially the first one which is a god damned mess. Anyway after this I went back to TW3 and it made so much sense and was enjoyable. In my case I searched for someone who I didn't know at all, I kept meeting characters who greeted me warmly but I didn't know them and I'm suppose to have a history with someone named Triss who I never met before. I quit in Novigrad because it was just too much.

[LPPrince]

Well I think you read quite a bit then.

 

I ended up rage quitting in middle of TW3 and going back and playing the previous games with cheats and rushing through them because i really didn't like them, specially the first one which is a god damned mess. Anyway after this I went back to TW3 and it made so much sense and was enjoyable. In my case I searched for someone who I didn't know at all, I kept meeting characters who greeted me warmly but I didn't know them and I'm suppose to have a history with someone named Triss who I never met before. 

 

 

Fair enough. Yen>Triss+Yen/Geralt is canon anyway.

[Xilizhra]

What is so bad about a character like Geralt that its "absurd" to expect someone to play as him? Because its objectively not absurd considering how many already have.

I don't play men, at least not in RPGs.

[Steelcan]

Because I have absolutely no intention of ever playing anyone like Geralt, and it feels kind of absurd that that they expect me to.

The play other games?

 

Its not like CDPR is saying how varied the options to craft Geralt into your own character are, its been made abundantly clear (and should have been so from the get-go as he is a defined character from a pre-existing series) that they don't plan on offering players the same customization options BioWare does.  However that is not an inherent failing, its just a different kind of game.

[Monster A-Go Go]

Do yourself a favor and play it. Infinitely better than DAI. Makes it look like a bad joke.

 

So, genuine question here.  If someone genuinely disliked the first two Witcher games (I found the writing and voice acting to be terrible in the first one and the second one just failed to captivate me), do you think they might still enjoy The Witcher III?  I've heard so much praise that part of me really wants to check it out despite being burned twice before.

[SofaJockey]

Because I have absolutely no intention of ever playing anyone like Geralt, and it feels kind of absurd that that they expect me to.

 

Geralt's a fine upstanding guy, with a dry sense of humor, clearing the land of monsters.

Odd that you see there is an issue with this character unless you dislike playing defined male protagonists or sword/sourcery type games.

 

EDIT: Ah you don't like playing men in RPG's, ok. That's a fair choice, but the notion of it is surely not absurd.

[Steelcan]

Well I think you read quite a bit then.

 

I ended up rage quitting in middle of TW3 and going back and playing the previous games with cheats and rushing through them because i really didn't like them, specially the first one which is a god damned mess. Anyway after this I went back to TW3 and it made so much sense and was enjoyable. In my case I searched for someone who I didn't know at all, I kept meeting characters who greeted me warmly but I didn't know them and I'm suppose to have a history with someone named Triss who I never met before. I quit in Novigrad because it was just too much.

you can literally just watch the opening siege of TW2 to figure out why Triss is important

[Xilizhra]

The play other games?

 

Its not like CDPR is saying how varied the options to craft Geralt into your own character are, its been made abundantly clear (and should have been so from the get-go as he is a defined character from a pre-existing series) that they don't plan on offering players the same customization options BioWare does.  However that is not an inherent failing, its just a different kind of game.

And I would be content if the Bioware forum wasn't infested with Witcher bastards who keep bashing Bioware in comparison. It's not like I'm invading their space.

 

 

Geralt's a fine upstanding guy, with a dry sense of humor, clearing the land of monsters.

Odd that you see there is an issue with this character unless you dislike playing defined male protagonists or sword/sourcery type games.

As I said before, I don't play men in RPGs.

[Steelcan]

And I would be content if the Bioware forum wasn't infested with Witcher bastards who keep bashing Bioware in comparison. It's not like I'm invading their space.

Maker forbid some people say BioWare could stand to learn something from another series.  I won't throw stones at either fandom because I've seen more than enough here to sour my opinion of BioWare's fanbase, far more than those who like The Witcher series.

[LPPrince]

I don't play men, at least not in RPGs.

 

 

Fair enough to you, but how does that make it absurd? Plenty of women play as male protagonists in games, even RPGs, even when presented with a choice not to.

[Lulupab]

you can literally just watch the opening siege of TW2 to figure out why Triss is important

 

Well, yes. But Triss is not the only problem. Luc Muinne events in TW2 was very enlightening.