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[Grieving Natashina]

Well thats weird, no one's invading this space. The people here are fans of Bioware's games, past or present. If there's tons of love for The Witcher games here its because TW1/2/3 earned it and people are fans of the same games. If some of them think The Witcher games are better and want Bioware to take elements of what they see to be a superior franchise, is that bad?

To to be fair, I have seen posts in this thread and others coming down on posters for being DA:I fans and preferring that series. Not everyone is going to see the Witcher series the same way, and some are sick of being told that they didn't play a good RPG if they liked DA:I. I've even seen people ask if the DA/BW fans are deluded. It can be frustrating to read on the BSN sometimes.

It isn't any better than folks calling TW3 "sick, sexist, ect" if they never played the game. I've also seen BW fans call fans of TW3 digusting and all sorts of other names. Is this really worth the fight? Some folks will prefer one of the other. Some like both. Some, like me, have no interest in the TW series. Some prefer TW3 far over DA:I, and want to take some ideas to improve the quality of the BW games.

However, dismissing everything that the TW series did do well isn't the right approach to take. I mean, I don't want a fixed protagonist in my RPG PC games for the most part. It's just my personal taste, but I do play fixed male characters as well.

Yet I've seen several people that thought that certain quests were done better than DA:I. It came down to fewer of them (save the Hunt contracts I've heard about,) with more cutscenes and felt it had a bigger impact on the story. That I find intriguing and something that BW could definitely take notes on.

I still love DA:I, despite it's multiple flaws. It's still my favorite DA game (save the hate, been seeing it since release,) and I found the story the most compelling for me personally. Still, to discount what both companies could learn from each other is ludicrous.

[Xilizhra]

Apparently not judging by TW1/2/3's success. If it were vital wouldn't the franchise have failed?

Which is why I'm worried about it poisoning the entire well.

[jtav]

Perhaps the finest RPG I've ever played was Planescape: Torment. Minimal customization. The second finest was Arcanum. Ridiculous level of customization. RPGs don't have to be any one thing, any more than all ice cream has to be one flavor,

[Mr.House]

Also while Eredin was a crappy villain, Letho and Gaunter O'Dimm where amazing characters and is easily better then any Bioware villain.

[In Exile]

We have to remember, the lead writer, David Gaider is gay himself. I do not know if that has anything to do with anything.

Then why mention it? You obviously mean something by it. Don't hide behind these denials.

[LPPrince]

To to be fair, I have seen posts in this thread and others coming down on posters for being DA:I fans and preferring that series. Not everyone is going to see the Witcher series the same way, and some are sick of being told that they didn't play a good RPG if they liked DA:I. I've even seen people ask if the DA/BW fans are deluded. It can be frustrating to read on the BSN sometimes.

It isn't any better than folks calling TW3 "sick, sexist, ect" if they never played the game. I've also seen BW fans call fans of TW3 digusting and all sorts of other names. Is this really worth the fight? Some folks will prefer one of the other. Some like both. Some, like me, have no interest in the TW series. Some prefer TW3 far over DA:I, and wants to take some ideas to improve the quality of their games.

However, dismissing everything that the TW series did do well isn't the right approach to take. I mean, I don't want a fixed protagonist in my RPG PC games for the most part. It's just my personal taste, but I do play fixed male characters as well.

Yet I've several people that thought that certain quests were done better than DA:I. It came down to fewer of them (save the Hunt contracts I've heard about,) with more cutscenes and felt it had a bigger impact on the story. That I find intriguing and something that BW could definitely take notes on.

I still love DA:I, despite it's multiple flaws. It's still my favorite DA game (save the hate, been seeing it since release,) and I found the story the most compelling for me personally. Still, to discount what both companies could learn from each other is ludicrous.

 

 

Fair enough. I wouldn't give credence to those that don't know how to communicate their points without antagonism though. Aggravating as it is(and it is).

[nfi42]

Not sure how that's possible, considering how much Inquisition improved upon the many foibles of the Shaggy Hawke Chronicles.

I admit,  it was hyperbole on my part.  But truthfully I like DA2, warts and all, more than DAI.  Basically because imo  the main story in DAI wasn't really complete until the 3rd dlc.

[enayasoul]

I'm sorry but The Witcher 3 was the best game I've ever played and I'm a HUGE BioWare fan and been playing BioWare games since Neverwinter Nights/Baldar's Gate.  BioWare's character relationships are in serious need of help.  They are not deep enough just flirt, flirt, bang and that is it.  Same with Star Wars: The Old Republic standalone and MMO.  Once you get to the end of the relationship/marriage whatever its done.  Those relationships are no longer developed and most likely forgotten about.  Case in point, romancing Lana Beniko with my sith warrior.  Not a flirt whatsoever after you enter a relationship.  It means absolutely nothing apparently.  

 

The Witcher 3 provided a better character relationship between Geralt and his love Yennifer, or Triss and his adopted daughter Ciri!. I was completely satisfied with their relationship and they were NOT afraid to show nudity.  Sure you can screw whoever you wanted but my Geralt didn't only Yennifer.  I also enjoyed Witcher 2 and the gwent game alot! What did BioWare provide that was fun? I do like how they handled some of the relationships in Dragon Age 1-3. Morrigan, Isabella and Solas were my favorite romances.  I mostly play males and I'm female. Go figure.   

[In Exile]

Also while Eredin was a crappy villain, Letho and Gaunter O'Dimm was amazing character and is easily better hen any Bioware villain.

You mean in TW2? Letho wasn't a villain in TW3.

[Mr.House]

Again, the problem is that it's a CRPG where you're forced to play as a man.

So by your logic, Planscape Torment was garbage.

[Steelcan]

Also while Eredin was a crappy villain, Letho and Gaunter O'Dimm where amazing characters and is easily better then any Bioware villain.

Well if we're sticking only to TW3 Letho doesn't really count, and O'Dimm is more of a side antagonist as well (though how that DLC plays with Olgierd vs O'Dimm is pretty fantastic)

[Grieving Natashina]

Fair enough. I wouldn't give credence to those that don't know how to communicate their points without antagonism though. Aggravating as it is(and it is).

I know, right? I'm just thrilled that two great RPGs did so well. I remember when there was a severe drought in RPGs, and those were dark times. Besides, if the care that CDPR did with the TW series is any indication, Cyberpunk could be great.

[LPPrince]

Which is why I'm worried about it poisoning the entire well.

 

 

Ahh, well then I gotta break it to you, the well's been "poisoned" since its inception and will always be.

 

If the genre ever phases out established characters for just having characters created from the ground up by players, I'd see that as a bad thing. There's room for both.

[Mr.House]

You mean in TW2? Letho wasn't a villain in TW3.

I never mentioned TW3 only in my post. All I said is Eredin is bad which everyone will agree, more so boo readers who know Eredins character and how CDP dropped the ball.

[Xilizhra]

So by your logic, Planscape Torment was garbage.

It was made back in the day when fewer people knew any better.

 

 

Ahh, well then I gotta break it to you, the well's been "poisoned" since its inception and will always be.

 

If the genre ever phases out established characters for just having characters created from the ground up by players, I'd see that as a bad thing. There's room for both.

There's a balance to be struck. Both ME and DA2 did it well.

[LPPrince]

I know, right? I'm just thrilled that two great RPGs did so well. I remember when there was a severe drought in RPGs, and those were dark times. Besides, if the care that CDPR did with the TW series is any indication, Cyberpunk could be great.

 

If I had the money to afford gaming like I used to I'd be more hyped for Cyberpunk than I am at the moment, but I do hope for those that get it that it'll raise the high bar that TW1/2/3 have set.

[Lulupab]

I don't think anyone here is going to defend TW3's primary antagonists over BioWare's.  I would say however that the quasi-villains are better in TW3.  The Baron and Birna Bran are easily better than Corypehus.

 
Meh, Corypheus is just a means to an end. Samson and Calpernia are the interesting ones.
 

No it's not. I found the writing of TW2 far better then DAO, with having the best depiction of politics in gaming (not even TW3 got its politics good) So not a fact.

But in Witcher games they have taken the safe route of keeping the player out of the politics for the most part. Creating politics without player influence is a lot easier than player completely influencing it. Also as far as sales and ratings go, they are not even a rival for DAO. That's why I said its a fact. By same standards, TW3 and DA:I clearly are in the same league though.

[The Hierophant]

Also while Eredin was a crappy villain, Letho and Gaunter O'Dimm where amazing characters and is easily better then any Bioware villain.

Spoiler

What do you think about the Unseen Elder? If there ever is a  sequel/spinoff think he might be an antagonist?

[Shechinah]

Well thats weird, no one's invading this space. The people here are fans of Bioware's games, past or present. If there's tons of love for The Witcher games here its because TW1/2/3 earned it and people are fans of the same games. If some of them think The Witcher games are better and want Bioware to take elements of what they see to be a superior franchise, is that bad?

 

I should preface this by saying that this is solely about the people who specifically behaved rudely or non-constructive and not about people who like the Witcher series or the series' development team(s).

 

The trouble for a number of people is not that people want Bioware to look at the Witcher series for improvements: there is an entire thread is the feedback and suggestion section for Dragon Age that's been going strong for 602 pages.

 

The trouble for a number of people is the attitude some people demonstrate while doing this. It is part of why Dutch's Ghost recieves the responses they sometimes do. They used to repeatedly make threads that basically seemed like the threads and comments were not about how Bioware could improve themselves but about how much Bioware sucked. Dutch's Ghost was repeatedly made aware of the aforementioned on-going thread but continued on.

 

There were also comments that were dismissive towards or belittling of people who liked or loved Dragon Age: Inquisition not just from Dutch's Ghost but from other people as well such as how they had no taste or that they mustn't have played good games if they thought so. Mind you, this took place on the Dragon Age: Inquisition forums.

 

All of this basically soured a number of people's thoughts and feelings towards the series and soetmes the developers of it because the two had become connotated with the rude and non-constructive behavior of these people. It also made discussing the Witcher series or constructive comparing the two series difficult for the same reason.
 

[RagingCalgarian]

They should really stop making games with male protanagists imo. I mean, what does that even gain us? There have been plenty of male protanagists. Its time for the men to step aside and let women take the reigns. Women have always been better lead characters anyways. 

[Steelcan]

 
Meh, Corypheus is just a means to an end. Samson and Calpernia are the interesting ones.
 

I've seen swirls in my soda that were more interesting than Samson.  And Calpernia, while good, doesn't hold a candle to the Baron.

[LPPrince]

There's a balance to be struck. Both ME and DA2 did it well.

 

Custom characters with pre-existing backstories? I think thats one option. But I'd still want totally pre-established characters(Lara Croft, The Master Chief, Geralt of Rivia) and custom characters you build entirely yourself(The Dragonborn, The Hero of Albion, The Fateless One).

[Grieving Natashina]

If I had the money to afford gaming like I used to I'd be more hyped for Cyberpunk than I am at the moment, but I do hope for those that get it that it'll raise the high bar that TW1/2/3 have set.

Time to start saving for that then. If we're lucky, Cyberpunk will be around by 2019 at the latest. I want them to take as much time and care as they need to make that game shine.

Sorry, this is getting off-topic. Carry on folks.

[In Exile]

I never mentioned TW3 only in my post. All I said is Eredin is bad which everyone will agree, more so boo readers who know Eredins character and how CDP dropped the ball.

TW2 and TW3 are pretty different in their story beats, and it's a live issue whether TW3 really managed to recapture that magic apart from some standouts.

That said I think Sun Li is on par with Letho. A very different kind of villain in a far less gritty game, but a good one. Really the only good one Bioware's done apart from maybe Irenicus (but I didn't like him).

[Lulupab]

I've seen swirls in my soda that were more interesting than Samson.  And Calpernia, while good, doesn't hold a candle to the Baron.

 

I haven't seen anyone who likes both, so that's understandable. You either like Calpernia or Samson because they have completely different backgrounds and motives so its virtually impossible to connect with both. During your time here I'm sure you have met people who feel the opposite.