There's also alot of people who where disappointed or even outright hated Skyrim and FO4,. more so FO4 which is more polarizing then FO3.
The structure of the mission was very good and well planned. Not everyone have to like it because maybe someone finds the Quarians dull, but you have to admit it if you are looking at it objectively.
Geth going OOC and the quarians holding a 15 ton idiot ball was not "objectively" good.
In all seriousness I stand by my original statement which is that Dragon Age Inquisition was such a break with the series and what we've come to expect from Bioware I actually think at some point it's simply not going to be Bioware's option as to whether to pay attention to a series or not, the way they're going is sort of interesting but I see the quality declining with every entry at this point.
It wasn't hard for TW3 to just walk all over DA:I, since DA:I just wasn't as good a game.
Name a game of same genre that should influence ME.
Depends on what that genre is, because I'm sure if you ask five people, you'll get five different answers.
I typed "shooter RPG" into google and names that came up were-
The Deus Exes
The Borderlands'
The Fallouts
The Bioshocks
The Division
Destiny
Alpha Protocol
Dishonored
Minecraft(wat)
So you tell me what games you think are in this "genre" and then we can work with them. Cause with RPGs it gets really vague.
Anyway, talking about the matter at hand. What i hope is that BW (and EA) will understand, from Witcher 3's success, that people buy RPGs to play RPGs, which means a game filled with (IMHO) characters, characterization, story and (properly done) world-bulding, which are all things BW were masters of
Now we have ME3, that's just insulting in its.... whatever it tried to accomplish(art?), and Inquisition, that tries to be 3 different things (a MMO, a "classic" RPG and Skyrim), fails at all of them and, all the while, completely dismesses what it really should be, which is a Dragon Age game, or, hell, even a BW game
I don't want Dragon Age or Mass Effect to become Witcher wannabes, i want them to go back to be as they were, which is, good
There was plenty wrong with ME3 beyond the ending, that was just the 5 lb straw that broke the camel's back. They could learn from loads of franchises. Though I think a lot of the issues with it were a result of Bioware just doing things they shouldn't have done, like they had another option but chose not to take it, leaving us with...it. *scrunches face and frowns*
You just except too much lol. TW3 follows a successful premade story with minor differences in a set world that has little to no unknowns. There is literally no risk here.
Mass effect is written by Bioware, its new and risky because the story and game are both new. Not only that it is a science-fiction game, again risky. As if that's not enough the game's genre is one of dead genres that went out of business around 2000s, not that it was ever good back then. Most companies who used to make these games either died or changed their games. For example Deus Ex had a big transformation. Now its just shooter with very minor RPG, basically another Crysis. Its almost pure action at this point.
That is why you struggle to find a game in the same genre with ME as an influence option. Because ME was a very ambitious project that has done quite well.
Anyway, talking about the matter at hand. What i hope is that BW (and EA) will understand, from Witcher 3's success, that people buy RPGs to play RPGs, which means a game filled with (IMHO) characters, characterization, story and (properly done) world-bulding, which are all things BW were masters of
Now we have ME3, that's just insulting in its.... whatever it tried to accomplish(art?), and Inquisition, that tries to be 3 different things (a MMO, a "classic" RPG and Skyrim), fails at all of them and, all the while, completely dismesses what it really should be, which is a Dragon Age game, or, hell, even a BW game
I don't want Dragon Age or Mass Effect to become Witcher wannabes, i want them to go back to be as they were, which is, good
I don't think we can say Bioware are the masters of anything anymore. Sure, Bioware of yesteryear were held up to ridiculously high standards, but now? After the last half decade. I think even they know they have some work to do moving forward in a way that garners them the same praise they used to get.
Wild Hunt was a better game than Inquisition, but not by very much at all, especially if you've played Witcher 2.
Eh I'd say TW3 was like a 9 and DA:I was like a 7, and most of that was due to Gaider's characters like Cassandra minus him I don't see how they break like a 5 or 6....
Anyway, talking about the matter at hand. What i hope is that BW (and EA) will understand, from Witcher 3's success, that people buy RPGs to play RPGs, which means a game filled with (IMHO) characters, characterization, story and (properly done) world-bulding, which are all things BW were masters of
Now we have ME3, that's just insulting in its.... whatever it tried to accomplish(art?), and Inquisition, that tries to be 3 different things (a MMO, a "classic" RPG and Skyrim), fails at all of them and, all the while, completely dismesses what it really should be, which is a Dragon Age game, or, hell, even a BW game
I don't want Dragon Age or Mass Effect to become Witcher wannabes, i want them to go back to be as they were, which is, good
Depends on what that genre is, because I'm sure if you ask five people, you'll get five different answers.
I typed "shooter RPG" into google and names that came up were-
The Deus Exes
The Borderlands'
The Fallouts
The Bioshocks
The Division
Destiny
Alpha Protocol
Dishonored
Minecraft(wat)
So you tell me what games you think are in this "genre" and then we can work with them. Cause with RPGs it gets really vague.
The games do exist lol, but they have mostly dumbed down the RPG part. But still they do fall under the genre.
SO what aspect of these games do you think should influence mass effect.
Maybe it should follow after new Deus ex and go full action?
Destiny is MMO btw.
That is why you struggle to find a game in the same genre with ME as an influence option. Because ME was a very ambitious project that has done quite well.
Whereas I see it as an ambitious project that failed in the very last leg of the race(both with its novels and its games). And I still don't know what games are technically in the same genre as it. If I say RPGs, others will say shooters. If I say shooters, others will say RPGs. If I say RPG/Shooters, others will say thats too specific. If I say its own its own, people say its too vague.
I don't think we can say Bioware are the masters of anything anymore. Sure, Bioware of yesteryear were held up to ridiculously high standards, but now? After the last half decade. I think even they know they have some work to do moving forward in a way that garners them the same praise they used to get.
Yeah, that's why i said they were 
In my opinion, their last, truly, good game was Dragon Age 2, which Inquisition made me regard even more fondly (than i already did)
Eh I'd say TW3 was like a 9 and DA:I was like a 7, and most of that was due to Gaider's characters like Cassandra minus him I don't see how they break like a 5 or 6....
Whereas I see it as an ambitious project that failed in the very last leg of the race(both with its novels and its games). And I still don't know what games are technically in the same genre as it. If I say RPGs, others will say shooters. If I say shooters, others will say RPGs. If I say RPG/Shooters, others will say thats too specific. If I say its own its own, people say its too vague.
"Fail". Maybe you should just admit the game and genre is not for you.
I mean you googled "shooter-RPG". Clearly this is not a genre you have played a lot, I for one have played every single game you have listed. None had the full experience of mass effect. Some have good gameplay such as dishonered, but their story is just insignificant. And its not a shooter game, more like modern witcher style game. It has some shooting in it based on player builds.
I don't think we can say Bioware are the masters of anything anymore. Sure, Bioware of yesteryear were held up to ridiculously high standards, but now? After the last half decade. I think even they know they have some work to do moving forward in a way that garners them the same praise they used to get.
The games do exist lol, but they have mostly dumbed down the RPG part. But still they do fall under the genre.
SO what aspect of these games do you think should influence mass effect.
Maybe it should follow after new Deus ex and go full action?
Destiny is MMO btw.
Mass Effect also dumbed down the RPG part, so thats a thing that must be across the board.
Hell, there's something Mass could get from The Witcher;be more of an RPG. But as for the earlier games,
Deus Ex- Learn to offer multiple paths to success in not just dialogue but gameplay(the choice between combat/tech/biotics does not count)
Borderlands- Not much I can say here, they're so wildly different
Fallout- Can't comment, haven't played the games(read Fallout:Equestria though, that was fun)
Bioshock- Should this count? Again, wildly different
The Division- Look half as good as this game does
Destiny- LOL DESTINY IS A FAIL, DON'T EVER GO FULL DESTINY
Alpha Protocol- Can't comment, haven't played it
Dishonored- Can't comment, haven't played it
Minecraft- Just be Minecraft, quit Mass Effect, become Minecraft, its game over, everyone's money is now yours
I'd go 8-8.5 and 7.5-8. Wild Hunt's Mario non-political story was weaksauce, many characters went drastically OOC, the bulk of the side-content were repetitive in design, the antagonist was a monumental bore, and the variation in the endings hinges on a deeply flawed perspective on the Geralt-Ciri relationship. And that's ignoring the regular "meh" overall gameplay.
While... you could apply most of what you said there to DA:I as well.. characters went drastically OOC, the bulk of the side-content was repetitive, the antagonist wsa a monumental bore, meh overall gameplay...
Yeah, that's why i said they were
In my opinion, their last, truly, good game was Dragon Age 2, which Inquisition made me regard even more fondly (than i already did)
Whereas I'd say ME2. I saw DA2 as around the start of their long tumble from grace, hahaha.
While... you could apply most of what you said there to DA:I as well.. characters went drastically OOC, the bulk of the side-content was repetitive, the antagonist wsa a monumental bore, meh overall gameplay...
They will never get that praise online now. That well has been poisoned. So I'll just continue to take what they make since I personally found DA:I to be the masterpiece I wanted. So you don't think they are masters anymore, but I still put Bioware as the best dev out there with Bethesda the only competition.
That is why I'm sick of seeing suggestions that Bioware become more like CDPR... For me, they gave yet to release a game I find good. So let CDPR cater to your tastes while Bioware can hopefully give me more like Inquisition.
What is it with this forum and poisoned wells today?
Corypheus was better. He at least had an interesting motive.
I didn't much care for either of them. Cory came off as more incompetent though.
Both Inquisition and ME3 are good games, and thankfully improved upon the previous games in their respective series.
Only thing ME3 did better was combat, in my opinion.
Can't really think of anything Inquisition did better than Origins or 2, though. Areas were better in Origins, main villain too, the Warden and Hawke are leagues above the Inquisitor, if nothing else because they don't feel like self-inserted Mary Sues from some crappy fanfic (also, can't really care for someone whom i don't really feel to be a character), the story [Inquisitions's] is filled with luck and non-sense and even the gameplay they screwed up, for us PC gamers.
I don't think Inquisition is as bad as ME3, but it's painfully average
This is just my opinion 
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