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[Lulupab]

Mass Effect also dumbed down the RPG part, so thats a thing that must be across the board.

 

Hell, there's something Mass could get from The Witcher;be more of an RPG. But as for the earlier games,

 

Deus Ex- Learn to offer multiple paths to success in not just dialogue but gameplay(the choice between combat/tech/biotics does not count)

Borderlands- Not much I can say here, they're so wildly different

Fallout- Can't comment, haven't played the games(read Fallout:Equestria though, that was fun)

Bioshock- Should this count? Again, wildly different

The Division- Look half as good as this game does

Destiny- LOL DESTINY IS A FAIL, DON'T EVER GO FULL DESTINY

Alpha Protocol- Can't comment, haven't played it

Dishonored- Can't comment, haven't played it

Minecraft- Just be Minecraft, quit Mass Effect, become Minecraft, its game over, everyone's money is now yours

 

RPG:

 

Level up system, check.

Classes, check

Customization: check 

Exploration, check (small, but its there)

Story Centered, check

Extensive Character depths, check

Control of party, check (Fully exclusive to RPG games)

Armor and Weapon equipment, check

 

So where is the dumbed down part? The actual dumbing down is removing all the class options and armor and making the entire game about shooting and stealth. AKA Deus Ex. Previous games of this franchise were very loyal to genre, but the new one and upcoming one? Not so much.

 

ME probably has as much as RPG a shooter game can have. More than that will make it borderline pure RPG.

[Kabraxal]

What is it with this forum and poisoned wells today?

It distracts from the servers and your gobl.... I mean o look at this painting........

[LPPrince]

Only thing ME3 did better was combat, in my opinion.
Can't really think of anything Inquisition did better than Origins or 2, though. Areas were better in Origins, main villain too, the Warden and Hawke are leagues above the Inquisitor, if nothing else because they don't feel like self-inserted Mary Sues from some crappy fanfic (also, can't really care for someone whom i don't really feel to be a character), the story [Inquisitions's] is filled with luck and non-sense and even the gameplay they screwed up, for us PC gamers.

 

I don't think Inquisition is as bad as ME3, but it's painfully average

 

This is just my opinion

 

 

ME3 did combat better, thats for sure. And some of its stories were standout like Tuchanka and Rannoch. Otherwise, ME2 beats it down. And even ME2 wasn't perfect.

 

Inq was better than 2 in its massive areas to explore, but its story was weaker(giving you no reason to want to explore) and it drastically lowered its level of cinematography for questing(which also gives you no reason to care). I'd still put Inq over 2, but maybe thats just me hating on 2 so much because it was such a drastic drop from DAO.

 

Praise be to DAO, its gloriousness of when Bioware was great. *kneels before the green Xbox 360 case, offers sacrifices*

[nfi42]

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I don't think Inquisition is as bad as ME3, but it's painfully average

 

This is just my opinion

 

 

I quite enjoyed ME3 as a straight 3rd person cover shooter right until Marauder Shields.

[LPPrince]

It distracts from the servers and your gobl.... I mean o look at this painting........

 

 

See, this is why I only drink juice. I can't trust water after today.

[Kabraxal]

ME3 did combat better, thats for sure. And some of its stories were standout like Tuchanka and Rannoch. Otherwise, ME2 beats it down. And even ME2 wasn't perfect.
 
Inq was better than 2 in its massive areas to explore, but its story was weaker(giving you no reason to want to explore) and it drastically lowered its level of cinematography for questing(which also gives you no reason to care). I'd still put Inq over 2, but maybe thats just me hating on 2 so much because it was such a drastic drop from DAO.
 
Praise be to DAO, its gloriousness of when Bioware was great. *kneels before the green Xbox 360 case, offers sacrifices*

Pfft... Peasant! Have two copies. On 360 and PC. Might get the PC GOTY version for Inq as well... Once I fix my pc.

[LPPrince]

Pfft... Peasant! Have two copies. On 360 and PC. Might get the PC GOTY version for Inq as well... Once I fix my pc.

 

 

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Mac Master Ra-

 

*forum stares at me*

 

Raps, I was rapping. In West Philadel-

 

*forum readies weapons*

 

Yeah I'll just leave.

[Lezio]

Whereas I'd say ME2. I saw DA2 as around the start of their long tumble from grace, hahaha.

 

Eh, i completely understand that. If i have to be honest, i appreciate Dragon Age 2 as much as i do mostly because of all the stuff that was either misused or completly unused. There are so much tidbits of awesome, here and there, that i at least can safely say that game could have been great and it wasn't BW's fault if it wasn't

 

Can't say the same for its sequel and ME3

[dreamgazer]

Only thing ME3 did better was combat, in my opinion.

The story in ME2 was a sad side-mission detour into daddy issues and color coded mercs, after a two-year jump into "Ah yes, Reapers" idiocy. ME3 didn't have to do much in the story department to improve, which it did by bringing the narrative back on track against the Reapers. ME3 also greatly improved upon the bipolar Paragon/Renegade morality of the second game, brought back mods and added the terrific weight system, and design side-quests that actually felt integrated into the narrative instead of the inconsequential nonsense of ME2's side-missions while human colonies were disappearring.

Can't really think of anything Inquisition did better than Origins or 2, though. Areas were better in Origins, main villain too, the Warden and Hawke are leagues above the Inquisitor, if nothing else because they don't feel like self-inserted Mary Sues from some crappy fanfic (also, can't really care for someone whom i don't really feel to be a character), the story [Inquisitions's] is filled with luck and non-sense and even the gameplay they screwed up, for us PC gamers.

Not a whole lot of specificity going on in this paragraph. Areas were muddled and drab in both the previous two games, Corypheus has an actual interesting motive, Hawke is a sad excuse for a shaggy-dog determined protagonist while the Inquisitor gave you a wealth of agency over role-playing aspects.
 

I don't think Inquisition is as bad as ME3, but it's painfully average
 
This is just my opinion

I think they both make observable, respectable improvements over the many mistakes in the previous two games.

Though, especially in the case of ME2, that isn't difficult to do.

[LPPrince]

Eh, i completely understand that. If i have to be honest, i appreciate Dragon Age 2 as much as i do mostly because of all the stuff that was either misused or completly unused. There are so much tidbits of awesome, here and there, that i at least can safely say that game could have been great and it wasn't BW's fault if it wasn't

 

Can't say the same for its sequel and ME3

 

 

Yeah, and I understand if people liked it. It had its good elements(Varric, Izzy, redesigned qunari). I just couldn't get past its terrible elements(everyone who's romanceable is available to everyone, redesigned elves, cave repetition, small worlds, muted color scheme, lousy ending). I could go on for ages about how much I dislike that game as I bet you could do the opposite, hahaha.

 

But that was for 2011.

[Derrame]

just imagine having free dlc and expansions as big as a game withat less than half price, wonderful!

[Fiery Phoenix]

just imagine having free dlc and expansions as big as a game withat less than half price, wonderful!

Ditto. Blood and Wine was the best DLC I've ever paid for.

[LPPrince]

Ditto. Blood and Wine was the best DLC I've ever paid for.

 

 

Beyond incredible DLC. Loved every bit of it. Would love for Bioware to stop releasing overpriced DLCs that are small as hell and offer only a couple hours of content. I mean damn, Blood and Wine has enough content to take as long or longer to beat than Mass Effect 1, and its an expansion. Whereas Bioware will release something like ME3's Omega DLC that is over in a couple of hours and is still expensive. Eww.

[dreamgazer]

just imagine having free dlc and expansions as big as a game withat less than half price, wonderful!

Most of the free DLC should've been in the core game.

I also find it funny that the few quests added were of subpar quality, perhaps on purpose to make the shipped game and their slow-feed of "free DLC" look better.

[Seraphim24]

Corypheus was better. He at least had an interesting motive.

 

Well there kind of wasn't an antagonist in some ways in TW3 for big chunks so the kind of mix of relationships and experience you have there make it superior IMO.

 

It's an evolution in how you view the "antagonist" IMO. The "big ultimate bad" is sort of a dying concept..

[Seraphim24]

Non one really cares about the "story" anymore anyway it's 2016, it's all about just kind of what you get from the experience, people gravitate towards romance scenes, sex scenes, maybe even battle scenes and random comments and banter, where you are going and who you fight when you get there is of little consequence.

 

A big percentage is just like silly mobile or MMO style games where you just get silly quests with a few objectives and stuff like that, it simply hasn't been done on a super grand scale like ME but that's kind of all you need to satisfy a lot of what people want.

[Kabraxal]

Well there kind of wasn't an antagonist in some ways in TW3 for big chunks so the kind of mix of relationships and experience you have there make it superior IMO.
 
It's an evolution in how you view the "antagonist" IMO. The "big ultimate bad" is sort of a dying concept..

Found Cory and Solas to be far more intriguing since the concept of a person removed from their time and seeing a rather broken world created a more sympathetic and "grey" antagonist. Especially Solas... Not sure how I feel about fighting him still. The "ultimate bad" really doesn't exist in Inquisition.

[Nattfare]

 

This is for actually reading through more or less the whole thread, surely there are better things I could have wasted my time on?

 

There are reasons for why games like The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim and Wiedźmin III: Dziki Gon have become as successful as they have. Of course BioWare are going to want to find out what those reasons were and see if they can use them themselves.

Mass Effect: Andromeda isn't going to be any different, just as it isn't going to be any different for Bethesda and CDPR for their next games.

 

I've been enjoying most games BioWare has made as well as liking all three Witcher games and can't see why one has to be hated for the favor of the other.

 

Also, am I the only one who thought that playing all three Witcher games with Polish voices (and English subs) made the experience so much, much better?

But maybe it has helped me that I'm raised with watching stuff with subtitles since a kid and that I lived in Poland for a while.

 

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Also don't have any issues with what gender the games allows me to play as. Often make both male and female characters in games that lets you do so.

And if the game only has a set female character then that's perfectly fine for me also.

[BadgerladDK]

Mass Effect also dumbed down the RPG part, so thats a thing that must be across the board.

Hell, there's something Mass could get from The Witcher;be more of an RPG. But as for the earlier games,

Deus Ex- Learn to offer multiple paths to success in not just dialogue but gameplay(the choice between combat/tech/biotics does not count)
Borderlands- Not much I can say here, they're so wildly different
Fallout- Can't comment, haven't played the games(read Fallout:Equestria though, that was fun)
Bioshock- Should this count? Again, wildly different
The Division- Look half as good as this game does
Destiny- LOL DESTINY IS A FAIL, DON'T EVER GO FULL DESTINY
Alpha Protocol- Can't comment, haven't played it
Dishonored- Can't comment, haven't played it
Minecraft- Just be Minecraft, quit Mass Effect, become Minecraft, its game over, everyone's money is now yours

You haven't played Alpha Protocol? You really should look into it if you enjoy a good spy movie atmosphere and tons of meaningful choices. It is old and has some bugs that were never fixed, but it's still at the top of my "would immediately throw money at a sequel" list, along with Jade Empire.

[Lady Artifice]

Non one really cares about the "story" anymore anyway it's 2016, it's all about just kind of what you get from the experience, people gravitate towards romance scenes, sex scenes, maybe even battle scenes and random comments and banter, where you are going and who you fight when you get there is of little consequence.

 

The story is of tremendous consequence to some of us.

[dreamgazer]

You haven't played Alpha Protocol? You really should look into it if you enjoy a good spy movie atmosphere and tons of meaningful choices. It is old and has some bugs that were never fixed, but it's still at the top of my "would immediately throw money at a sequel" list, along with Jade Empire.

The actual combat in Alpha Protocol is pretty terrible, though. Good role-playing experience, terrible "game".

[LPPrince]

You haven't played Alpha Protocol? You really should look into it if you enjoy a good spy movie atmosphere and tons of meaningful choices. It is old and has some bugs that were never fixed, but it's still at the top of my "would immediately throw money at a sequel" list, along with Jade Empire.

 

 

I heard good things, but I never did go for it when it was new. And once a game passes a few years old, I don't really have an interest in picking it up. For me, AP passed me by. But I'm fine with watching others play it.

[LPPrince]

The actual combat in Alpha Protocol is pretty terrible, though. Good role-playing experience, terrible "game".

 

So like the Game of Thrones RPG made by whoever that everybody admits has a great story but terrible gameplay which is why no one played it.

[Seraphim24]

Found Cory and Solas to be far more intriguing since the concept of a person removed from their time and seeing a rather broken world created a more sympathetic and "grey" antagonist. Especially Solas... Not sure how I feel about fighting him still. The "ultimate bad" really doesn't exist in Inquisition.

 

Well notice I didn't deny you guys felt the way you did about Coryfish versus whoever was the "antagonist" in TW3, but I think TW3 did something even better which was evolve on the concept of the "antagonist" by not emphasizing that part at all.

 

It's like someone who made a pretty good pie versus someone who invents cake.

 

At any rate, Solas isn't grey at all he's deep black and deep white, IMO.

[Seraphim24]

The story is of tremendous consequence to some of us.

 

Well see above this post if you wish...