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[Lulupab]

Releasing DAI without Trespasser was just money grabbing.

 

By EA. 

 

EA would have corporately terrorize CDP if they were in north America, like it has many companies.

[Lezio]

Does Witcher leave a blatant cliffhanger to be finished in a DLC? Nope.

 

So yes, its invalid because you don't know what happens after this cliffhanger.

 

Leaving a cliffhanger in their main-game to get even more money out of the paying customers isn't exactly a good thing

 

Which is exactly what happened, i believe, but i looked past that because, as i said, Trespasser is the only truly good thing of Inquisition

[nfi42]

That wasn't my experience with The Witcher, in any of the three games. I felt that there were defined protagonists and antagonists in TW3. So I don't see the ambiguity that you see in the game.

 

I agree with Seraphim.  The story isn't really about the wild hunt but about the finding and growth of Ciri.  Having said that, the game would have been better with more Eridin time, but overall I'm not complaining.

[Seraphim24]

That wasn't my experience with The Witcher, in any of the three games. I felt that there were defined protagonists and antagonists in TW3. So I don't see the ambiguity that you see in the game.

 

Ok so, the ambiguity is not in relation to the presence or absence of defined "antagonist" or "protagonist," it's with respect to their relevance to everything else that's going on...

 

Who was the Baron? Avalla'c? That Elf towards the end of the story hiding out with Avalla'c? Keira? Phillipa? Shani? Roche? Ves?

 

In DA:I, most characters you came across it was sort of a "with us or against us" mentality.

[dreamgazer]

What does it bring? Does it have half the content that B&W has?

Judge for yourself: http://dragonage.wik...wiki/Trespasser

Half the content? Not precisely, no, but that's not really a fair assessment.

[nfi42]

By EA. 

 

EA would have corporately terrorize CDP if they were in north America, like it has many companies.

 

 

Leaving a cliffhanger in their main-game to get even more money out of the paying customers isn't exactly a good thing

 

Which is exactly what happened, i believe, but i looked past that because, as i said, Trespasser is the only truly good thing of Inquisition

 

I played DAI 4 times,  once with each class.  By the time Trespasser came around,  I could just play Trespasser once,  and have not played DAI since because of the blatant money grab.  It's left a bittter taste in my mouth.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The reason I enjoyed DAI back in the day is because it came out at a time when new RPG's were desperately needed. It was pretty much the only next-gen RPG out there and it sated my appetite. Now that the honeymoon period is over, it's much easier for me to go back and see where the game was lacking. In retrospect, Witcher 3 is exactly what I thought DAI would be, so CDPR did what I expected of BioWare for me.

 

With Dragon Age overall, Origins is by far still my favorite.

 

I agree with Seraphim.  The story isn't really about the wild hunt but about the finding and growth of Ciri.  Having said that, the game would have been better with more Eridin time, but overall I'm not complaining.

Ciri honestly made the whole thing a very positive experience for me. And Jo Wyatt's acting was top-notch.

[vbibbi]

By EA. 

 

EA would have corporately terrorize CDP if they were in north America, like it has many companies.

 

Eh, we can't really know the details behind the decisions in DAI's development. But IMO, it could just as easily have been Bioware's project management that relegated Trespasser to DLC. We've seen in JOH that cut content from the base game can fairly easily be reintroduced as DLC. Bio could have cut Hissing Wastes, Storm Coast, Fallow Mire (really most of the maps but those are the least relevant to plot) and used the development resources to include the story of Trespasser into the base game. I know that one of the reasons cited is that old gen consoles couldn't handle a lot of the scope of what they wanted to include, but that's a reason for why old gen was dropped from DLC. Lots of other things were dropped from the main game because of engine limitations.

 

Perhaps EA told them they should have a final ending DLC which would be guaranteed to have consumers. But that assumes that EA is closely aware of the plot of the games under their umbrella and have a much more micromanagement style than seems practical. Instead, I think it would make a lot more sense if Bio decided that all the content they wanted to include in Solas' plot would have required another deadline extension and instead axed it.

[LPPrince]

Judge for yourself: http://dragonage.wik...wiki/Trespasser

Half the content? Not precisely, no, but that's not really a fair assessment.

 

 

I'd need to play it/see it to properly judge. Wouldn't be fair from just a wiki page. Which is why I'm asking others. I don't want to be that guy who's like, "Yeah, look at how little it brings, its terrible. Lame. So empty" if I haven't played it. I can only vaguely judge from here, but it wouldn't be informed.

[LPPrince]

The reason I enjoyed DAI back in the day is because it came out at a time when new RPG's were desperately needed. It was pretty much the only next-gen RPG out there and it sated my appetite. Now that the honeymoon period is over, it's much easier for me to go back and see where the game was lacking. In retrospect, Witcher 3 is exactly what I thought DAI would be, so CDPR did what I expected of BioWare for me.

 

With Dragon Age overall, Origins is by far still my favorite.

 

Ciri honestly made the whole thing a very positive experience for me. And Jo Wyatt's acting was top-notch.

 

Funny, because a friend convinced me to get Skyrim when it came out as it'd make up for DA2 being lame(we both felt the same about DA2), and she was right, it did. Made up for it in spades.

[dreamgazer]

I'd need to play it/see it to properly judge. Wouldn't be fair from just a wiki page. Which is why I'm asking others. I don't want to be that guy who's like, "Yeah, look at how little it brings, its terrible. Lame. So empty" if I haven't played it. I can only vaguely judge from here, but it wouldn't be informed.

It's worth the price. Not as worth the price as Blood and Wine, but worth the price.

Of course, gauging by you general negativity toward BioWare Inquisition and favoritism toward Witcher 3, you'll probably be disappointed anyway. 

[dreamgazer]

Funny, because a friend convinced me to get Skyrim when it came out as it'd make up for DA2 being lame(we both felt the same about DA2), and she was right, it did. Made up for it in spades.

 

Yet another game loved by the general public but rampantly despised by many members of its core fanbase, especially for being "dumbed down".

[LPPrince]

It's worth the price. Not as worth the price as Blood and Wine, but worth the price.

Of course, gauging by you general negativity toward BioWare Inquisition and favoritism toward Witcher 3, you'll probably be disappointed anyway. 

 

 

Oh I don't think Inquisition is bad, I just don't think its even close to as good as The Witcher 3 is. I'm positive on Inq. I just know it could be waaay better than it was. Hell I'm thankful it was at least better than DA2(as a whole, certainly not narratively).

[LPPrince]

Yet another game loved by the general public but rampantly despised by many members of its core fanbase, especially for being "dumbed down".

 

That is true, I've heard/read the complaints from long time TES fans. I can't say though as Skyrim was my first. Before that I went to Bioware for my RPG fix.

[Seraphim24]

I think NWN actually pretty much was the exact same thing as TW3 once upon a time, the antagonist was kind of vague and squished between lots of more character and companion interactions.

[SpaceV3gan]

Focusing on the questions brought by the topic, my view is that: if you don't like a game because you consider it racist, misogynistic, inappropriate at any level or whatever, you don't have to play it. You have the option of playing something else. Meanwhile the gaming industry is free and should remain free to create content that may not necessarily be of every individual gamer's approval. People just want to play what they have fun playing.
Moreover, we know that Bioware by and large embraces progressivism in their games.

[nfi42]

I'd need to play it/see it to properly judge. Wouldn't be fair from just a wiki page. Which is why I'm asking others. I don't want to be that guy who's like, "Yeah, look at how little it brings, its terrible. Lame. So empty" if I haven't played it. I can only vaguely judge from here, but it wouldn't be informed.

 

I'd recommend it even if you dislike DAI.  It completes what wasn't in the main game.

[dreamgazer]

That is true, I've heard/read the complaints from long time TES fans. I can't say though as Skyrim was my first. Before that I went to Bioware for my RPG fix.

 

Oblivion caught hell for being inferior to Morrowind, too.

 

Gamers are hilarious. 

[Akrabra]

Yet another game loved by the general public but rampantly despised by many members of its core fanbase, especially for being "dumbed down".

The Elder Scrolls fanbase have been complaining about dumbing down since Morrowind. Which was just a dumbed down version of Daggerfall, as many claimed back then and to this day. Truly one of the worst fanbases i've encountered, except Fallout's. 

[Lulupab]

On another note TW3 has good combat music, but

 

No song can describe a country as good as this: The backstabbing, fashion, politics. This is like Orlesian national anthem

 

 

 

And no song can describe a characters development and arc as good as this:

 

 

Granted most credit goes to Tevor Morris (the composer), but still.

[LPPrince]

Oblivion caught hell for being inferior to Morrowind, too.

 

Gamers are hilarious. 

 

 

Lemme guess, Morrowind was a dumbed down Daggerfall?

[Seraphim24]

The Elder Scrolls fanbase have been complaining about dumbing down since Morrowind, which was just a dumbed down version of Daggerfall, as many claimed back then. Truly one of the worst fanbases i've encountered, except Fallout. 

 

Pretty much every fanbase gets pretty crazy. Star Wars, Star Trek, TES is sorta mellow at times in my experience, Nintendo can be pretty wild or calm depending.

 

I think Bioware is by far the craziest though.... maybe Bioware or Nintendo. I mean did you see?

 

[LPPrince]

I'd recommend it even if you dislike DAI.  It completes what wasn't in the main game.

 

I liked the game, I just don't have the money to spend to get the DLCs. Had I the money, I'd of played all of Inquisition's extra content.

[Seraphim24]

Lemme guess, Morrowind was a dumbed down Daggerfall?

 

Meh my friend played Daggerfall and Morrowind and a lot of the TES games and claimed Daggerfall sucked so... you know...

[LPPrince]

Meh my friend played Daggerfall and Morrowind and claimed Daggerfall sucked so... you know...

 

 

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