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[dreamgazer]

Lemme guess, Morrowind was a dumbed down Daggerfall?

 

Negative. Morrowind is frequently cited as the benchmark. 

[nfi42]

I liked the game, I just don't have the money to spend to get the DLCs. Had I the money, I'd of played all of Inquisition's extra content.

 

If I could give it to you, I would. Which I can't with the digital PC version.

[In Exile]

Lemme guess, Morrowind was a dumbed down Daggerfall?

Think BG and BG2. Some people hold a torch for the former, but not many.

[SmilesJA]

There's also alot of people who where disappointed or even outright hated Skyrim and FO4,. more so FO4  which is more polarizing then FO3.

 

Maybe, but considering that Skyrim is still being played today and I think Fallout 4 has been disliked by the original fans.

[LPPrince]

If I could give it to you, I would. Which I can't with the digital PC version.

 

 

Damn, somebody just earned themselves a drink. That I can't afford to...goddamn it. ITS THE SENTIMENT, ITS APPRECIATED 

[tyrannus93]

Grab your chairs and popcorn ladies and gentlemen.

 

I got my popcorn and my voodka

[slimgrin]

Most of the free DLC should've been in the core game.

I also find it funny that the few quests added were of subpar quality, perhaps on purpose to make the shipped game and their slow-feed of "free DLC" look better.

 

They kinda milked the free dlc thing and they kinda didn't. Clearly some of it was prepped, like the quests ands skins. Some of it they were finishing late as the game went gold. So the alternative is we could have gotten nothing and they toss the extra assets. I thought the extra quests were the same quality as the base game, if much shorter. At the end of the day, their version of DLC, paid or not, far eclipses most devs.    

[The Elder King]

But it has Solas. S.O.L.A.S

Pfft, judging DA:I without Trespasser is invalid.

Then Bioware should've released it in the vanilla game. EA shouldn't be used as an excuse for every problem in Bioware games.
As a side note I like DAI vanilla ending and Trespasser made me excited for future DA games, provided Bioware doesn't screw thing up with Solas.

Hate him
Hate him as i hated Arl Howe, though, not as i hated Kai "who are you and how did you get my number" Leng

Howe is an excellent antagonist for Cousland Wardens, and this is my Canon Warden. My characters certainly hate him, but he's a far better character then Leng. Solas is, if Bioware doesn't screw up, a great antagonist, even more so compared to the average Bioware ones.

[LPPrince]

They kinda milked the free dlc thing and they kinda didn't. Clearly some of it was prepped, like the quests ands skins. Some of it they were finishing late as the game went gold. So the alternative is we could have gotten nothing and they toss the extra assets. I thought the extra quests were the same quality as the base game, if much shorter. At the end of the day, their version of DLC, paid or not, far eclipses most devs.    

 

 

Bioware/EA would've charged us for those free DLCs.

[Lulupab]

Then Bioware should've released it in the vanilla game. EA shouldn't be used as an excuse for every problem in Bioware games.
As a side note I like DAI vanilla ending and Trespasser made me excited for future DA games, provided Bioware doesn't screw thing up with Solas.

 

You don't see anyone blaming EA when it comes to plot or similar things, such as ME3 ending (although I think extended cut did a very good job, it showed the life is still going on on the galaxy, but the ending remains "sad"). 

 

But if its a financial problem, then EA is most likely the culprit.

[LPPrince]

You don't see anyone blaming EA when it comes to plot or similar things, such as ME3 ending (although I think extended cut did a very good job, it showed the life is still going on on the galaxy, but the ending remains "sad"). 

 

But if its a financial problem, then EA is most likely the culprit.

 

 

I see people blaming EA for everything Bioware the last half decade. Its why you see "Bioware/EA" being slagged so much across the web. You bet that if Andromeda bombs or is less than what it could be, there will be people saying it was "Bioware/EA's" fault.

[In Exile]

They kinda milked the free dlc thing and they kinda didn't. Clearly some of it was prepped, like the quests ands skins. Some of it they were finishing late as the game went gold. So the alternative is we could have gotten nothing and they toss the extra assets. I thought the extra quests were the same quality as the base game, if much shorter. At the end of the day, their version of DLC, paid or not, far eclipses most devs.

It doesn't eclipse the ME2 Cerberus network stuff. There's a bit more content, but it's the same idea. And it's not that different from Shale in DAO.

[LPPrince]

It doesn't eclipse the ME2 Cerberus network stuff. There's a bit more content, but it's the same idea. And it's not that different from Shale in DAO.

 

 

You know, I wondered why they didn't do another Cerberus Network type thing for ME3.

[Mr.House]

But it has Solas. S.O.L.A.S

B&W has Regis.

[The Elder King]

You don't see anyone blaming EA when it comes to plot or similar things, such as ME3 ending (although I think extended cut did a very good job, it showed the life is still going on on the galaxy, but the ending remains "sad"). 
 
But if its a financial problem, then EA is most likely the culprit.

It depends. The problem, If they had one about cutting some content, was more likely about the problems they had with frostbite and the developing on different platforms. EA gave them time with DAI. It wasn't maybe enough due the problems they had so they might've decided to cut off the Trespasser part.

[In Exile]

You know, I wondered why they didn't do another Cerberus Network type thing for ME3.

That was all part of EAs anti-piracy plan at the time: give free content to people who registered the game to cut down on pirating and second hand sales to boot. I assume it wasn't a very succesful model, and presumably the economics didn't support more free development. The very favourable cost curve for TW3 being developed in Poland helps CDPR a lot.

[Lulupab]

B&W has Regis.

 

Honestly we have to agree to disagree if you are going to compare him to Solas.

 

"powerful and old vampire". Right, never seen it before. Wait, hundred times.

 

Embodiment of cliche, but well executed nonetheless.

[The Elder King]

By the way while I like what they're doing with Solas I like more the info dump they did about the elves and finally having some truth about the lore revealed.
Also love the reveal of the gods legends being distorted version of the truth. Now it's the Maker's turn.

[LPPrince]

That was all part of EAs anti-piracy plan at the time: give free content to people who registered the game to cut down on pirating and second hand sales to boot. I assume it wasn't a very succesful model, and presumably the economics didn't support more free development. The very favourable cost curve for TW3 being developed in Poland helps CDPR a lot.

 

 

Aye, but at the same time ME2 advertising was kinda dirty. Hah, dirty. Them mentioning a dirty dozen for our squadmates, everyone thinking that means twelve, then being told we're only getting ten and they didn't mean twelve when they said dirty dozen, only to conveniently release another two thru DLC which what do you know, adds up to twelve.

 

Hah. Advertising.

[The Elder King]

Honestly we have to agree to disagree if you are going to compare him to Solas.
 
"powerful and old vampire". Right, never seen it before. Wait, hundred times.
 
Embodiment of cliche, but well executed nonetheless.

Solas isn't exactly that ground breaking news either.

[Mr.House]

As for the free dlc thing, whatever it was cut, prepared whatever, it does not change the fact that they where free(and three of those dlc quests where fantastic) and the only thing CDP charged was for two proper expansions that had alot of content for very good prices. Compare to EA or Bethesda pricing for dlc that don't even have half the content HoS and B&W have, it's a good practice compared to teh alternative and better then say the Cerberus network because that you need to buy if you buy the game used (same with Shale)

[Kabraxal]

Ok so, the ambiguity is not in relation to the presence or absence of defined "antagonist" or "protagonist," it's with respect to their relevance to everything else that's going on...
 
Who was the Baron? Avalla'c? That Elf towards the end of the story hiding out with Avalla'c? Keira? Phillipa? Shani? Roche? Ves?
 
In DA:I, most characters you came across it was sort of a "with us or against us" mentality.

It might just be that I found only three characters engaging in TW3 and that is why there is the rift here in how we see things. I reqlly didn't care about most of those characters, so their relationship to Geralt ultimately felt like a simple device to propel a quest forward. It rarely felt organic enough for me to get beyond the feeling of a mechanical progression and into the "intricacies" of those characters or relationships. The baron came the closest, but I felt that was one of the rare instances where TW3 rose a oce its cliches to actually deliver something witg emotional depth.

The only other scene to similarly grow into a more complex and rich experience to me was the drinking scene. I wish there was far more of that because, where you found ambiquity, mystery, and richness I mostly saw a checklist of overly worn dark fantasy tropes that disengaged me from the game and thus I felt no ambiguity or sense of mystery. Just a "been there done that" that I now get reading most dark fantasy novels.

[Mr.House]

Honestly we have to agree to disagree if you are going to compare him to Solas.

 

"powerful and old vampire". Right, never seen it before. Wait, hundred times.

 

Embodiment of cliche, but well executed nonetheless.

Because Solas is totes not based on a cliche archtype right? Come on, I love Solas but lets not act like he's not cliche, a very good cliche, but still a cliche.

[LPPrince]

As for the free dlc thing, whatever it was cut, prepared whatever, it does not change the fact that they where free(and three of those dlc quests where fantastic) and the only thing CDP charged was for two proper expansions that had alot of content for very good prices. Compare to EA or Bethesda pricing for dlc that don't even have half the content HoS and B&W have, it's a good practice and better then say the cerberus network because that you need to buy that if you buy the game used (same with Shale)

 

 

If only more companies were as generous maybe they'd have the same positive word of mouth and love.

[Lulupab]

Solas isn't exactly that ground breaking news either.

 

He kinda is, granted nothing is ground breaking news nowadays.

 

But Solas's "coming" is rooted back to DAO and introduction of Fen'Harel. His arrival alone makes a lot of sense. You can simply see the effort put behind him.