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[Seraphim24]

It might just be that I found only three characters engaging in TW3 and that is why there is the rift here in how we see things. I reqlly didn't care about most of those characters, so their relationship to Geralt ultimately felt like a simple device to propel a quest forward. It rarely felt organic enough for me to get beyond the feeling of a mechanical progression and into the "intricacies" of those characters or relationships. The baron came the closest, but I felt that was one of the rare instances where TW3 rose a oce its cliches to actually deliver something witg emotional depth.

The only other scene to similarly grow into a more complex and rich experience to me was the drinking scene. I wish there was far more of that because, where you found ambiquity, mystery, and richness I mostly saw a checklist of overly worn dark fantasy tropes that disengaged me from the game and thus I felt no ambiguity or sense of mystery. Just a "been there done that" that I now get reading most dark fantasy novels.

 

Unfortunately you just described DA:I to me...

[Lulupab]

Because Solas is totes not based on a cliche archtype right? Come on, I love Solas but lets not act like he's not cliche, a very good cliche, but still a cliche.

 

Please, "lost god" is an old cliche but never overused and borderline raped like vampires. I don't think anyone can take vampire lore seriously anymore.

 

Also Solas' cliche is faded when he is in between worlds, he has not become a villain yet, but he is on verge.

[The Elder King]

He kinda is, granted nothing is ground breaking news nowadays.
 
But Solas's "coming" is rooted back to DAO and introduction of Fen'Harel. His arrival alone makes a lot of sense. You can simply see the effort put behind him.

Being the result of a work behind the scenes for different games, while certainly good, isn't ground breaking.
I'm not so sure Bioware worked on Solas since DAO or DA2 though. There is the connection between Mythal/Flemeth and the Old Gods Howewer.

[dreamgazer]

If only more companies were as generous maybe they'd have the same positive word of mouth and love.

 

Hear that, BioWare? Chop out side-quests and game features, then offer them for free after the game's release so you can be perceived as "generous".

[LPPrince]

Being the result of a work behind the scenes for different games, while certainly good, isn't ground breaking.
I'm not so sure Bioware worked on Solas since DAO or DA2 though. There is the connection between Mythal/Flemeth and the Old Gods Howewer.

 

 

No way Solas was a thing back during DAO dev.

[LPPrince]

Hear that, BioWare? Chop out side-quests and game features, then offer them for free after the game's release so you can be perceived as "generous".

 

Do we know they did that and it wasn't just content that wasn't finished when the game went gold? Cause they were still developing that content during the weeks they were supposed to come out;originally it was supposed to be two a week for six weeks but there were still delays, like an extra week for one or two things.

 

I'd rather they cut stuff out and give it for free later to appear generous than pre-plan content ahead of time, advertise it before the game's out, and right after release put it out for a price. Which is Bioware all the way.

[nfi42]

Hear that, BioWare? Chop out side-quests and game features, then offer them for free after the game's release so you can be perceived as "generous".

 

 

Well they chopped out Trespasser and charged us for it.

 

Yes I know it wasn't finished before the main DAI,  but it should have been a part of it.

[The Elder King]

No way Solas was a thing back during DAO dev.

As I said, I'm not that sure either. The connection between Flemeth and the Old gods is clear and the possible link between Solas and DAO, but on the other hand the first hint of her own connection with the elves came from DA2 ad well.
I just don't discount the possibility.

[Mr.House]

Please, "lost god" is an old cliche but never overused and borderline raped like vampires. I don't think anyone can take vampire lore seriously anymore.

 

Also Solas' cliche is faded when he is in between worlds, he has not become a villain yet, but he is on verge.

You need to read more books. Rebel gods where overused before vampires where even  thing(ffs Loki and Solas are very similar), and even vampires themselves can be good. TW vampires are one of the best depictions of vampires because they remove alot of old cliches we attribute to them and Regis is a beloved character in both book circles and by gamers thanks to B&W.

[Lulupab]

No way Solas was a thing back during DAO dev.

 

Sure, the name, appearance etc... might be new.

 

But arrival of Fen'Harel was most likely planned.

[dreamgazer]

Well they chopped out Trespasser and charged us for it.

 

Eh, that's like saying CDPR chopped out Blood and Wine and charged for it. 

[The Elder King]

Sure, the name, appearance etc... might be new.
 
But arrival of Fen'Harel was most likely planned.

Based on what?

[Mr.House]

Eh, that's like saying CDPR chopped out Blood and Wine and charged for it. 

Trespasser was a epilogue that had to answer laot of questions, B&W was just a very big contract for Geralt that was very personal. Not the same.

[nfi42]

Eh, that's like saying CDPR chopped out Blood and Wine and charged for it. 

 

 

Sorry,  I posted before I finished writing.  Plz reread.

[In Exile]

Eh, that's like saying CDPR chopped out Blood and Wine and charged for it.

It's funny. Bioware releases DLC with no real ties to the main story - people complain they're milking the franchise by releasing expensive side content that should be in the game. So Bioware releases post ending DLC that is very much tied with the main story - so people complain that they're milking the franchise by releasing expensive critical path content that should be in the game.

There really is no winning when it comes to DLC. It all just comes down to whether you have warm feelings about the developer or not.

[Lulupab]

You need to read more books. Rebel gods where overused before vampires where even  thing(ffs Loki and Solas are very similar), and even vampires themselves can be good. TW vampires are one of the best depictions of vampires because they remove alot of old cliches we attribute to them and Regis is a beloved character in both book circles and by gamers thanks to B&W.

 

Witcher books were dead and unsuccessful before the game made them popular. Have you seen the blatant failures called movies made based on the books? 

 

I have read most of the famous books, lost god cliche is not overused on them. I'm sure there are many books with such characters but they are not relevant enough for most people to read so many don't know about them, unlike the vampires. It doesn't matter how many times some lore has been used, but it matters how many times its has made a name for itself. For vast majority of people Solas is like 3rd time they have seen this cliche in opposed to Regis being 20+th vampire villain type.

[Mr.House]

It's funny. Bioware releases DLC with no real ties to the main story - people complain they're milking the franchise by releasing expensive side content that should be in the game. So Bioware releases post ending DLC that is very much tied with the main story - so people complain that they're milking the franchise by releasing expensive critical path content that should be in the game.

There really is no winning when it comes to DLC. It all just comes down to whether you have warm feelings about the developer or not.

It's the Bioware fanbase, you can't go 5 seconds without running into a unseasonable fanbase situation.

[SofaJockey]

DAI DLC: Has to be said the Qunari and Mud-wear packs were a bit of a low point...

[dreamgazer]

Do we know they did that and it wasn't just content that wasn't finished when the game went gold? Cause they were still developing that content during the weeks they were supposed to come out;originally it was supposed to be two a week for six weeks but there were still delays, like an extra week for one or two things.

 

I'd rather they cut stuff out and give it for free later to appear generous than pre-plan content ahead of time, advertise it before the game's out, and right after release put it out for a price. Which is Bioware all the way.

 

Uh, CDPR's been talking about their expansions for a very, very long time, less than a month after the game's release.  The had the content planned out. 

 

Gauging by the quality of the content (the lesser side-quests, the gear and alt appearances, and finishing movies), I find it hard to believe otherwise.  

 

I do believe they crafted NG+ in response to player feedback, though, and didn't originally have that planned. 

[Monk]

Being the result of a work behind the scenes for different games, while certainly good, isn't ground breaking.
I'm not so sure Bioware worked on Solas since DAO or DA2 though. There is the connection between Mythal/Flemeth and the Old Gods Howewer.

 

As strange as it seems, considering how often the DA heroes get pushed aside, DA has the feel of being continuous. So, taking Solas for example, it feels right that they've been planning for his eventual introduction this whole time. The same could be said for the "creation" of the Fade. Whenever in the Fade, from DAO onwards, the mysterious objects are (almost?) always Elven. This makes sense because as we learn, the Elves relied heavily on the Fade for their knowledge and life.

[vbibbi]

Please, "lost god" is an old cliche but never overused and borderline raped like vampires. I don't think anyone can take vampire lore seriously anymore.

Also Solas' cliche is faded when he is in between worlds, he has not become a villain yet, but he is on verge.

I haven't played B&W yet but the Regis from the books was not a typical vampire. He was fairly refreshing in the depiction of a vampire who isn't controlled by his nature.

  

No way Solas was a thing back during DAO dev.

I think they did have a vague outline for the return of the elven gods in DAO but not to the level of detail of Solas' identity and presence in DAI. Bio wrote DAO as if it could have stood alone if it wasn't successful but also built in longer arching plots in case it was. I prefer this approach to ME's poorly thought out trilogy plot. DA's style gives some flexibility in its direction, while ME's made the story look thrown together last minute.

[dreamgazer]

Trespasser was a epilogue that had to answer laot of questions, B&W was just a very big contract for Geralt that was very personal. Not the same.

 

It didn't have to answer a lot of questions.  Those questions could have lasted though the next game. 

 

In Exile is on the money. It's all bias. 

[slimgrin]

You know, I wondered why they didn't do another Cerberus Network type thing for ME3.

 

It was the most generous they've been, a really good move. Especially what they did with DA:O. I was here commending them for it. And it didn't last. 

[Mr.House]

Witcher books were dead and unsuccessful before the game made them popular. Have you seen the blatant failures called movies made based on the books? 

 

I have read most of the famous books, lost god cliche is not overused on them. I'm sure there are many books with such characters but they are not relevant enough for most people to read so many don't know about them, unlike the vampires. It doesn't matter how many times some lore has been used, but it matters how many times its has made a name for itself. For vast majority of people Solas is like 3rd time they have seen this cliche in opposed to Regis being 20+ vampire villain type.

Wow. Firstly the Witcher books where very popular in Europe, they where never dead. The whole reason CDP even made a witcher game because it was a popular book series. What CDP did not expect was how popular it would truly be in the west and that's when Witcher truly got the spotlight in the west. It was never a dead or unsuccessful book series in Poland and that part of Europe.

[Lulupab]

Based on what?

 

Based on consistency of the lore. Slowly introducing elven gods and making sure we know Fen'Harel is not trapped beyond the veil, also hinting he created the veil. Many players made theories that when Fen'harel imprisoned the elven gods he made the veil. 

 

Its a lot more likely than all of it being spontaneous.