Yeah, you're wrong about that quest line. It's not about the gay man actually being a freak of nature. It's about how hatred and prejudice leads to death and disaster.
You missed the earlier discussion then. I said CDP doesn't have enough Tumblr and Bioware has too much. I like just enough Tumblr in my games.
Things like that make TW3 devoid of Tumblr. I mean good tumblr, not manly tears one.
Blood and Wine has more than Bioware ever had if you ask with, what with that one scene with a certain female fist fighter. I'm wondering why the usual SJW hate brigade doesn't talk about it, to be honest.
If anything that mocked SJWs. She's all, "Don't you have something terrible to say to me?" expecting Geralt to be a sexist bigot, instead he's like, "Nah, we're cool." A common criticism of SJWs is that they think everyone's a villain and there's problems everywhere.
The books were never popular in all of Europe, only in east Europe. That's hardly success, not even close. I live in west Europe and the books were practically none existent and barely translated to English. Now after the games you can find German and French translations.
Neither Javik nor Kasumi were in Inquisition.
It has to do with the conclusion of Geralt's story, though, which draws very clear similarities to Trespasser and does, indeed, have to do with the core Witcher 3 experience.
Is it somehow a problem that Tespasser planted seeds?
You missed the earlier discussion then. I said CDP doesn't have enough Tumblr and Bioware has too much. I like just enough Tumblr in my games.
Things like that make TW3 devoid of Tumblr.
Because she was trying to call him out like a tumblerite would and Geralt was having none of it.
But to be fair, that scenario was a pretty obvious attempt at inclusion.
CDP does sometimes do it, but unlike Biwoare I can tolerate it since TW verse is a very cynical and dark place and paints all problems in a more realistic light. Stuff like that is very dam cringy but nowhere on level of Iron Bull white knighting Krem. That **** was dreadfull.
Plus it COULD be a snide take that to SJWs because of Geralts reaction.
I'm missing something. I assume "tumblr" means socially progressive politics and ideas. This quest is very much an example of the much maligned "SJW" issues.
If the man gave a quest about it, sure. But he doesn't, meaning that sort of thing will keep happening and no one can stop it. There is no supporting feels or care there. Just showing you how dark witcher universe is.
If the man gave a quest about it, sure. But he doesn't, meaning that sort of thing will keep happening and no one can stop it. There is no supporting feels or care there. Just showing you how dark witcher universe is.
That's a bit arrogant to claim that a product that was successful in its originating country can't be considered successful unless it's reached your part of the world.
I'm just being honest. The book economy is not that great to call a book that was mainly successful in a single country "successful".
There are lots of reasons. Part of it is that the audience totally misses the point and takes out a very weird moral from some of the stories - like the Bloody Baron quest line. The other part is that CDPR and TW3 hits the right superficial story beats - hot women, ostensibly racist and prejudicial setting - that they miss the actual moral story.
Oh get real DA:I was infinitely worse as far as racism and misogyny, and as far as ubermenschs saving everyone.
Oh get real DA:I was infinitely worse as far as racism and misogyny.
That's what makes it MORE of an SJW story. A great deal of progressive storytelling is about how the system is oppressive and has to change through collective social action, not the ubermensch showing up to save everyone.
You walk away from this story thinking anti-gay prejudice is awful and frustrated that there's no way to change the system. Welcome to SJW storytelling.
I'm not seeing the Warrior in SJW, if anything the games tells you there is no way to change it. It raises some issues subtly but never expands on it.
In Bioware games you can make a difference, you become the warrior. We have made many differences in real life by fighting as well. Witcher universe is too dark for that.
I disagree. We don't see very much of the ostensibly fantastical racism. And I don't know what misogyny you're talking about here.
In DAI (maybe DA2) but a central pillar of DA2 is some kind of literal race war with the Qunari.
"I don't know what misogyny you're talking about here" the setting is drenched in a hokey (not super threatening or virulent, but nonetheless real) guy good strong dom girl dotey soft and pure I guess I could search for literal lines but I don't want to dredge up a 2 year old conversation I've had around here... it certainly permutates the characterization.
TW is more cheesy prostitutes and stuff like that which isn't nearly as offensive to me at any rate, it's more like a "hey I er uh don't want to offend.. but like your breasts! Ah hah...haha.... eh yeah that was dumb I'm sorry"
DA:I actually takes gender roles and norms somewhat seriously on their own terms which is well. yeah.
Rather than misogynistic I'd just say it's more stereotypical Dragon Age Inq is all conservative and just like a typical Disney-esque portrayal.
DA2 was a success at first, until it flopped hard and never recovered to the point that it's own expac was cancelled. Successes can waver or rise at any moment, it's not as simple as Lulupub seems to think. National, international, cult classic, mainstream popularity, niche, vindicated from history, deader then disco ect There are so many different types of successes and failures.
The witcher books are a success because they
1:Sold well in it's country of origin and surrounding areas
2:Met the demand of its target audience
3:Created a cult following in the west that has continued to get bigger.
Rather than misogynistic I'd just say it's more stereotypical Dragon Age Inq is all conservative and just like a typical Disney-esque portrayal.
That's a compliment. Disney can get pretty dark when it needs to.
Oh well someone gets it, different or more conservative doesn't always mean bad.
I don't think DA:I is quite as evocative as original Disney though. So it's sandwiched between Disney and a more diverse atmosphere in TW3, without a strong identity it's hard to say where it's going...
In DAI (maybe DA2) but a central pillar of DA2 is some kind of literal race war with the Qunari.
"I don't know what misogyny you're talking about here" the setting is drenched in a hokey (not super threatening or virulent, but nonetheless real) guy good strong dom girl dotey soft and pure I guess I could search for literal lines but I don't want to dredge up a 2 year old conversation I've had around here... it certainly permutates the characterization.
TW is more cheesy prostitutes and stuff like that which isn't nearly as offensive to me at any rate, it's more like a "hey I er uh don't want to offend.. but like your breasts! Ah hah...haha.... eh yeah that was dumb I'm sorry"
DA:I actually takes gender roles and norms somewhat seriously on their own terms which is well. yeah.
The Qunari are not a race. They're a culture. The whole issue is that they're waging a war of cultural assimilation - and one that's notionally about erasing the very idea of racial identity.
I don't follow your point at all on mysogeny - I just don't know what "guy good strong dom girl dotey soft and pure" could possible mean. It honestly reads like nonsense to me.
IB is like a strong mercenary tough guy, same with Blackwall, same with Solas, well he's more like super professor guy but same deal. Josephine is pretty traditional for like a female character, doting and respectful sort of thing.
DA:I doesn't have female characters like Triss or Fringilla, etc.
IB is like a strong mercenary tough guy, same with Blackwall, same with Solas, well he's more like super professor guy but same deal. Josephine is pretty traditional for like a female character, doting and respectful sort of thing.
DA:I doesn't have female characters like Triss or Fringilla, etc.
yeah it does. Morrigan is like a copy paste of Triss.
yeah it does. Morrigan is like a copy paste of Triss.
More copy paste of Yen, since CDP Triss is just a poor mans Yen made more appealing to mainstream gamers.
yeah it does. Morrigan is like a copy paste of Triss.
Morrigan is a copy paste of the Morrigan
https://en.wikipedia...ki/The_Morrígan
At any rate she isn't on Triss's level.
Anyway I was referring to DA:I and to some extent 2.
Besides if I wanted to cite a cool female character I'd go back to NWN with Aribeth
If anything that mocked SJWs. She's all, "Don't you have something terrible to say to me?" expecting Geralt to be a sexist bigot, instead he's like, "Nah, we're cool." A common criticism of SJWs is that they think everyone's a villain and there's problems everywhere.
Well, the bit where he goes on a spiel about how woman can do what they like without input from the player is a bit off to me. I mean, it makes perfect sense for Geralt to have that opinion since he trained his surrogate daughter in combat himself, but a dialog option would have been nice. Also reminds of that one time when Ciri was with the Baron's men and one of them says a lass should be able to defend himself, with everyone nodding in agreement. That's a pretty progressive view for what is otherwise depicted as a pack of looters and rapists, barely better than common bandits.
In the end, seems like the Dragon Age and Witcher settings aren't all that different.
As InExile says, Geralt himself basically is as progressive as it gets in a medieval setting. The worst he ever does is be confused at the cross-dressing elf in an earnest way.
Is there a reason we can't move beyond the feudal medieval obsessed setting to something else entirely? Would that make everyone happy?
The song Hellfire from Hunchback of Notre Dame. You know, the song where the priest is determined to kill the female lead to save him from temptation.That's a compliment. Disney can get pretty dark when it needs to.
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