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[Seraphim24]

The song Hellfire from Hunchback of Notre Dame.
The segement "Night on Bald Mountain," original Fantasia (the one with the devil-like lead.)
Bedknobs and Broomsticks, at one point the Nazi's try to kill the main character.
Even the Princess and the Frog, with "Friends on the other side." Especially the version at the end, where they make it clear that the bad guy isn't going somewhere nice.

I'd say you're onto something. Then again, I've been saying that for years. MIchael Eisner was the worst thing to happen to Disney. So while I do think that DA can get really cheesy like Disney can, it still can get as dark.

 

I like TW plenty but I liked Disney movies just like everyone else..... although also that they are quite brutal at times.

[Laughing_Man]

Well, the bit where he goes on a spiel about how woman can do what they like without input from the player is a bit off to me. I mean, it makes perfect sense for Geralt to have that opinion since he trained his surrogate daughter in combat himself, but a dialog option would have been nice. Also reminds of that one time when Ciri was with the Baron's men and one of them says a lass should be able to defend himself, with everyone nodding in agreement. That's a pretty progressive view for what is otherwise depicted as a pack of looters ans rapists, barely better than common bandits.

 

In the end, seems like the Dragon Age and Witcher settings aren't all that different.

 

As InExile says, Geralt himself basically is as progressive as it gets in a medieval setting. The worst he ever does is be confused at the cross-dressing elf in an earnest way.

 

This is probably more about them following the Baron's lead, since he was rather respectful towards her, and perhaps Ciri managing to dazzle them

with her personality (and looks).

 

But yes, even TW3 is not really an accurate depiction of general attitude and prejudices from a similar era in actual history.

(which makes DA:I's sanitized approach even more laughable in comparison)

[Seraphim24]

I think there's something else that is pretty sacri-tumblricious which is that people in the "patriarchy" (or even matriarchy) actually struggle with being misunderstood and misinterpreted at times.

 

I don't know if Walt Disney qualified as "that guy" so much but he certainly struggled to get his movies made in the beginning everyone thought it was "Disney's folly" (also did anyone else know his dad was Canadian? I thought that was interesting)

 

It doesn't really matter if you are gay, straight, male, female, whatever, no one is totally free of torment...

[Drakoriz]

Morrigan is a copy paste of the Morrigan

 

https://en.wikipedia...ki/The_Morrígan

 

At any rate she isn't on Triss's level.

 

Anyway I was referring to DA:I and to some extent 2.

 

Besides if I wanted to cite a cool female character I'd go back to NWN with Aribeth

 

i dont know, i think Morrigan can kick Triss or Yen ass any day as a much cooler character.

[Seraphim24]

i dont know, i think Morrigan can kick Triss or Yen ass any day as a much cooler character.

 

Morrigan hits the ice queen bucket too hard for me. Triss is kinda of messy but in some of her incarnations she's kind of less whiny more just get stuff done.

[jtav]

One general note: the status of women varied widely in the medieval era depemding on the exact time period, country, the woman's class, etc. While it certainly wasn't 2016, a female character based on Elenor of Aquataine is just as realistic as catcalls and rape threats. I mean there was an actual bisexual female swashbucker who crossdressed. If BW had her as a party member, they'd be laughed at. It's all a matter of grounding the character in the world.

[Seraphim24]

One general note: the status of women varied widely in the medieval era depemding on the exact time period, country, the woman's class, etc. While it certainly wasn't 2016, a female character based on Elenor of Aquataine is just as realistic as catcalls and rape threats. I mean there was an actual bisexual female swashbucker who crossdressed. If BW had her as a party member, they'd be laughed at. It's all a matter of grounding the character in the world.

 

The Medieval era definitely had like a sort of banded range though, it could be north of France, south of England, Scotland, Russia, but you were still within a range of experience, some more or less enthusiastic about women or not.

 

Like instead of Eleanor of Aquitaine I was reading about Eleanor of Arborea

 

https://en.wikipedia...anor_of_Arborea

 

And just Sardinia during that period in general and frankly it sounded quite awesome, it also wasn't feudal, apparently it was some kind of half-priest half-warrior (or kind of warrior-priest) socieity or something, no one even knows exactly.

 

It wasn't "Medieval" until the 15th century when the rest of Europe was getting over the idea.

[Seraphim24]

Also they wouldn't come as a shock (from the wikipedia)

 

"Eleanor composed the Carta de Logu, a body of laws which came into force in April 1395. They were considered to be far in advance of the laws of other countries,^{[citation needed]} the penalty for most crimes being a fine, and the property rights of women being preserved. These laws remained in force in Sardinia until the code issued by king Charles Felix in 1827."

 

500 years of relevance, even Mozart has a ways to go to catch up to that...

[LPPrince]

Pardon, took a break for dinner and Game of Thrones.

 

The word "sanitized" that came up earlier? I feel like that partially describes my feeling on DA.

 

Though to be fair I want DA to have both its light and its dark. It just seems like its dark is kinda hokey at times. Same with ME.

[Mr.House]

Morrigan hits the ice queen bucket too hard for me. Triss is kinda of messy but in some of her incarnations she's kind of less whiny more just get stuff done.

The big problem is Triss is not a consistent character in the games. In the books she's very consistent, a woman who  almost died at a great battle and gained massive PTSD and fear from it which she starts to slowly grow out of and at last gets self confidence by Massacre of Rivia. In the games she ranges from poor mans Yen(TW1) to plot device (TW2) to some type of mage leader (TW3) There's no vision with her character, it's simply everywhere.

[SNascimento]

I believe both Dragon Age and The Witcher have a very modernized view of medieval societies. The armies reflect this very well, but also law, education, science... I remember hearing Yennefer using the term "micro-climate". Not very medieval at all. 

[LPPrince]

I believe both Dragon Age and The Witcher have a very modernized view of medieval societies. The armies reflect this very well, but also law, education, science... I remember hearing Yennefer using the term "micro-climate". Not very medieval at all. 

 

 

You see, thats because Yennefer is awesome. When she makes wolf and dog puns, its glorious. If a character in Dragon Age did it, it might be funny. In Mass Effect, you'd headdesk.

[Mr.House]

Not to mention in TW, there is the existence of world hopping, which leads to even our world. So Yen learning about that word is not too far fetch really. Less so in DA which has no known existence of a multiverse.

[SNascimento]

Regardless of anyexplanation, it "de-medievalize" the setting. And that is just one example. If you take the armies, their structure are modern. And so on. One example from Inquisition, there is one part a sargent is talking with soldiers just like a modern-day one would do.

[LPPrince]

Not to mention in TW, there is the existence of world hopping, which leads to even our world. So Yen learning about that word is not too far fetch really. Less so in DA which has no known existence of a multiverse.

 

 

Oh yeah, thats true. Though Yennefer isn't likely to hop between dimensions, thats Ciri's doing. So if anything, Ciri would teach Yennefer the way of a...forum...

[Mr.House]

Oh yeah, thats true. Though Yennefer isn't likely to hop between dimensions, thats Ciri's doing. So if anything, Ciri would teach Yennefer the way of a...forum...

Yen is a book nerd, she probably found a book with alot of weird words and decided to remember them to troll Geralt. That's a very Yen thing.

[LPPrince]

Yen is a book nerd, she probably found a book with alot of weird words and decided to remember them to troll Geralt. That's a very Yen thing.

 

 

I can't argue against this.

 

DAMN IT MAN, this is making me realize how The Witcher's relationships between characters has so much more depth than those of the ME franchise. There needs to be more. In ME its paper thin in most cases.

[Mr.House]

Regis and Geralt, Bioware take notes, that's how you do a bromance.

[dreamgazer]

So, this has turned into the all pro-Witcher, all anti-BioWare thread in this section, huh?

Enjoy yourselves. That gets really boring.

[SNascimento]

That's... far fetched. But anyway, if you have an universe that everything imaginable may exist, then I suppose you can explain everything too. 

[LPPrince]

So, this has turned into the all pro-Witcher, all anti-BioWare thread in this section, huh?

Enjoy yourselves. That gets really boring.

 

 

No, its a "What can Bioware do better that CDPR already does well" sort of thing.

 

Gotta be productive here.

[Mr.House]

That's... far fetched. But anyway, if you have an universe that everything imaginable may exist, then I suppose you can explain everything too. 

Ciri ended up in Arthurs legend  when she once world jumped and even described a futuristic Earth (our world) so it's not too far fetch  since many others have had the ablity to world jump in the past that the people of the TW world learned stuff from other worlds like phrases, laws ect.  Hence why it's not too far fetched, contrived? Maybe but not totally impossible.

 

Does require some good suspension of disbelief tho.

[LPPrince]

Ciri ended up in Arthurs legend  when she once world jumped and even described a futuristic Earth (our world) so it's not too far fetch  since many others have had the ablity to world jump in the past that the people of the TW world learned stuff from other worlds like phrases, laws ect.  Hence why it's not too far fetched, contrived? Maybe but not totally impossible.

 

 

Maybe thats what Mass Effect needs. A Ciri world jump.

[Drakoriz]

So, this has turned into the all pro-Witcher, all anti-BioWare thread in this section, huh?

Enjoy yourselves. That gets really boring.

 

what else you can expect. This go south quick when they star comparing DA and Witcher

[Hazegurl]

Regis and Geralt, Bioware take notes, that's how you do a bromance.

Yes! CDPR took a character that was unknown to me and made me absolutely love him.  This is why I want BW to start making companions a part of the main plot in some way, give them some personal stakes of their own instead of "I'm here to help because of the world is in need blah blah." 

 

And the banter between Geralt and Regis was just wonderful.