Bioware, please don't let The Witcher 3 influence Mass Effect Andromeda.
I bet they won't and that they will go their own way because why would they. Bioware never needed it in the past so why would they let themselves get influenced by TW 3 all of a sudden. That just wouldn't make any sense what so ever.
You're not giving them a reason though. All you're saying is "No". Well, why not?
42 pages for this?
If you need the source material to understand a character then it falls flat to me.
So i'm assuming most of the stuff in Inquisition fell flat as well then? You need 'Asunder' to really understand Cole or his back story. You need 'The Masked Empire' to know anything about the Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts quest line. As well as anything about Celene, Gaspard and Briala besides their names. Also the Imshael and de Chevin stuff. You need DA2 (and it's DLC) to know anything about the plot, Hawke and the main antagonist of the game.
BioWare is one of the main offenders of making you play past games and indulging in the EE to understand what the hell is going on.
Can't comment on the style in Sapkowski's books, but otherwise, true.
Sapkowski himself has gotten pretty old now though and I doubt there will be much polish done to his writing style or if he's even interested in writing many more books.
Some people from Poland I've spoken with told me that he only wrote his last book to ride on the fame of the series in recent years and not for actually wanting to write another book.
If that is true or not I can't really say, but we probably aren't going to get much further in discussing it.
Yeah, I'm not really excited about those books considering all I've heard about them to date.
I enjoyed the Witcher games (even the first one was entertaining for me) and that's enough for me.
So i'm assuming most of the stuff in Inquisition fell flat as well then? You need 'Asunder' to really understand Cole or his back story. You need 'The Masked Empire' to know anything about the Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts quest line. As well as anything about Celene, Gaspard and Briala besides their names. Also the Imshael and de Chevin stuff. You need DA2 (and it's DLC) to know anything about the plot, Hawke and the main antagonist of the game.
BioWare is one of the main offenders of making you play past games and indulging in the EE to understand what the hell is going on.
Oh yeah, I didn't read the Dragon Age books so I didn't really know any backstory with those characters or why they were important beyond what was presented in game.
Compare to DAO, where technically you could've had more backstory on Loghain if you read the book, but honestly didn't need it.
Oh yeah, I didn't read the Dragon Age books so I didn't really know any backstory with those characters or why they were important beyond what was presented in game.
Compare to DAO, where technically you could've had more backstory on Loghain if you read the book, but honestly didn't need it.
Yup, all I had was vague spoilers from the forum and some wikia entries.
Yup, all I had was vague spoilers from the forum and some wikia entries.
Same. hahaha
You're right. The Mass Effect team will definitely look at the Witcher and think, "man, this game is obviously successful because you play as a white man in a world where women exist that are sexually liberated and promiscuous!"
There's NO WAY that they would consider the excellent quest design, the narrative design, the way character relationships are slow-burners and not always an easy, binary choice of what is "correct" or not, the grey morality. Nor would they look at the tasteful handling of sexuality, gender roles for a medieval time period, and toxic human nature.
Nope, the Witcher has nothing going for it except being a white man that has sex with lots of women, and shitposting reaches the stars
Edit: oh god this is embarrassing. I misread the post time, the drama is already over
We're actually being productive in a thread that didn't start that way, I know. We're heroes.
But you just made an excellent case for why The Witcher 3 should influence Bioware going forward so hey, you're on the winning team. 
Haha, it just pains me so much to see this kind of attitude from the bioware forums. It's the popular rhetoric (that's changing, luckily) that Bioware games are Social Justice Simulator where everyone is flaming gay or feminist extremists, and the game punishes you if you're not. .It completely shuts down anything that makes their games actually *good*. So seeing the exact same bass-ackwards logic from someone who has obviously not even watched a minute of Witcher gameplay is super painful.We're actually being productive in a thread that didn't start that way, I know. We're heroes.
But you just made an excellent case for why The Witcher 3 should influence Bioware going forward so hey, you're on the winning team.
As troll threads go, I thought this one was glaringly obvious from the beginning. 40 odd pages and many bites later however, I guess OP should be commended for longevity at least; Credit where credit is due.
Still though. 2/10 for effort. Would only bang if disadvantaged. Even then I'd be thinking of someone more disadvantaged.
As troll threads go, I thought this one was glaringly obvious from the beginning. 40 odd pages and many bites later however, I guess OP should be commended for longevity at least; Credit where credit is due.
Still though. 2/10 for effort. Would only bang if disadvantaged. Even then I'd be thinking of someone more disadvantaged.
No one really cares about the OP, the discussion that developed has very little to do with his idiotic post.
(that said, his post represents an existing opinion unfortunately)
Haha, it just pains me so much to see this kind of attitude from the bioware forums. It's the popular rhetoric (that's changing, luckily) that Bioware games are Social Justice Simulator where everyone is flaming gay or feminist extremists, and the game punishes you if you're not. .It completely shuts down anything that makes their games actually *good*. So seeing the exact same bass-ackwards logic from someone who has obviously not even watched a minute of Witcher gameplay is super painful.
They do seem to employ on their staff individuals that gleefully wave their hostile sentiments towards anything that isn't SJW without problem or reprimand, and the sanitized and preachy content and pushy agenda tends to appear from time to time.
Personally, I don't care much about Bioware itself. Our "relationship" is simple, as long as I find their games entertaining enough, I'll buy them.
When the negative will outweigh the positive, I'll stop.
It is but it's not without its significant faults. Not every character is strong, foremost amongst them a criminally underdeveloped antagonist, it suffers from a character bias for one of its romances as well as at least one character (TW community members will know who I mean) being reduced to a caricature. Whilst your choices have consequence, the most important consequence is based upon the most innocuous of choices with the general writing being hit and miss due to a lack of save import negating your choices from the previous games and forcing a canon on people that was deeply unpopular. It also suffered from an ending that had pretty much nothing to do with the rest of the game whatsoever, making it arguably worse than Mass Effect 3's.
Where it excels, and more importantly, where it is infinitely better than anything Bioware have ever done, is in its world. The world does not revolve around you, the player, or the protagonist. It goes on its merry way oblivious to you. Yes people react to your choices in the game but they do so in a way that feels natural rather than the contrived way most other games present those reactions. It feels alive in a way Bioware have never managed. Compare Novigrad, a city teeming with life, to Val Royeaux from Inquisition, a city bereft of atmosphere. Look at the way people throughout TW3's world go about their daily lives, who react and comment on everything from the weather to the political situation within the wider world, then compare it to Bioware's traditional hubs containing static models with limited animation and the same recorded mundane dialogue.
Bioware (and others) should not be afraid to take what was good from The Witcher 3, and other games for that matter, and apply it to their own games whilst learning from its mistakes in order to avoid repeating them. It's how we learn, not simply be avoiding our own mistakes, but avoiding the mistakes of others and if Andromeda is to be the game we all hope, a game that is s significant improvement on Inquisition and previous Mass Effect games, Bioware have to apply this.
I agree, TW3 does have it's own mistakes and I'm glad CDPR acknowledged it and at least tried to fix some of them. I understand that it would have been too much to fix an entire ending and main antagonist, but just like I appreciate BW adding the EC to ME3, I appreciate CDPR making the changes they could. However, I would never agree that TW3's ending was worse than ME3. And I like the fact that an important outcome isn't based on massive earth shattering choices, it's about listening to the other characters and making smaller more personal choices. But yeah I agree with everything else.
A question about game worlds.
I started TW3 and it didn't grab me. But GTAV did. Reading the post above by Saladinbob1, he might as well be talking about Los Santos. It's just on another league in terms of life, not only compared to BW games but also Skyrim and FO4. How do the worlds of TW3 and GTAV measure up?
I preferred TW3's world building to GTAV. Both are very impressive and done on a massive scale. Both have lots of things to do and encounters with the people in it. But GTAV comes across as player's personal playground while TW3 makes you feel like you're just a cog in a greater machine. So TW3 comes across as more organic. Both serve the purpose of their story well though.
So i'm assuming most of the stuff in Inquisition fell flat as well then? You need 'Asunder' to really understand Cole or his back story. You need 'The Masked Empire' to know anything about the Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts quest line. As well as anything about Celene, Gaspard and Briala besides their names. Also the Imshael and de Chevin stuff. You need DA2 (and it's DLC) to know anything about the plot, Hawke and the main antagonist of the game.
BioWare is one of the main offenders of making you play past games and indulging in the EE to understand what the hell is going on.
Yeah, I'm not really excited about those books considering all I've heard about them to date.
I enjoyed the Witcher games (even the first one was entertaining for me) and that's enough for me.
The books are absolutely worth it if you enjoy the games. If you have a Kindle, they're pretty cheap on Amazon.
Haha, it just pains me so much to see this kind of attitude from the bioware forums. It's the popular rhetoric (that's changing, luckily) that Bioware games are Social Justice Simulator where everyone is flaming gay or feminist extremists, and the game punishes you if you're not. .It completely shuts down anything that makes their games actually *good*. So seeing the exact same bass-ackwards logic from someone who has obviously not even watched a minute of Witcher gameplay is super painful.
The one thing most Witcher haters/trolls have in common: having never played a Witcher game.
The books are absolutely worth it if you enjoy the games. If you have a Kindle, they're pretty cheap on Amazon.
The one thing most Witcher haters/trolls have in common: having never played a Witcher game.
I have played the first game, and part of the second.
My problem is, regardless of how well-constructed the world or the game is, in the end it's a Crapsack World. There is no making it better, there's just choosing the kind of cr*p you let slide. I don't want to play in that kind of setting, where a casual hookup is a quest reward, where ideals are worthless and "least bad" and "greater good" have pretty much the same meaning.
I want a world where I can create my own hero (or anti-hero) and be more than a predefined monster hunter/mercenary. I want to play my own character, not the adaptation of someone else's frankly pretty unlikable protagonist.
Game developers often like to imitate each other's success. And we know how misogynistic the industry is. It is a very real concern. Look at how popular GTA is, despite the horrible way it treats women. This is a very real concern.
Dude. Have you met Bioware? Have you ever played a Bioware game before? If you had, you should know this was never going to be a problem here.
Op managed to get 43 pages from the BSN with his obvious bait on a sock puppet account, my god.
I think Bioware should be worried that when someone says "please try to do things like game x" fans immediately take that as a reference to the story/narrative and not the gameplay.
There are some serious backwards priorities in the fanbase.
I have played the first game, and part of the second.
My problem is, regardless of how well-constructed the world or the game is, in the end it's a Crapsack World. There is no making it better, there's just choosing the kind of cr*p you let slide. I don't want to play in that kind of setting, where a casual hookup is a quest reward, where ideals are worthless and "least bad" and "greater good" have pretty much the same meaning.
I want a world where I can create my own hero (or anti-hero) and be more than a predefined monster hunter/mercenary. I want to play my own character, not the adaptation of someone else's frankly pretty unlikable protagonist.
Fair enough. The world is supposed to be grim and depressing, true.
I think Bioware should be worried that when someone says "please try to do things like game x" fans immediately take that as a reference to the story/narrative and not the gameplay.
There are some serious backwards priorities in the fanbase.
Fair enough. The world is supposed to be grim and depressing, true.
I can understand not liking it if someone wants a brighter more optimistic world.
I have played the first game, and part of the second.
My problem is, regardless of how well-constructed the world or the game is, in the end it's a Crapsack World. There is no making it better, there's just choosing the kind of cr*p you let slide. I don't want to play in that kind of setting, where a casual hookup is a quest reward, where ideals are worthless and "least bad" and "greater good" have pretty much the same meaning.
I want a world where I can create my own hero (or anti-hero) and be more than a predefined monster hunter/mercenary. I want to play my own character, not the adaptation of someone else's frankly pretty unlikable protagonist.
There's nothing wrong with wanting a much happier world you can influence. I think this makes much more sense for not liking it than "It's sexist!"
As for casual hook ups as quest rewards....I think you forgot Sha'ira from ME1. 
Considering he was a Polish writer, it being a massive success in Poland and eastern Europe which was the target base, was a success. Saying it was dead or unsuccessful is factional wrong, it was just not a international success, that's not the same as a failure.
Exactly.
Same reason why S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is a massive success in Eastern Europe while being almost an unknown in Western Europe.
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