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[Lulupab]

So i'm assuming most of the stuff in Inquisition fell flat as well then? You need 'Asunder' to really understand Cole or his back story. You need 'The Masked Empire' to know anything about the Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts quest line. As well as anything about Celene, Gaspard and Briala besides their names. Also the Imshael and de Chevin stuff. You need DA2 (and it's DLC) to know anything about the plot, Hawke and the main antagonist of the game.

 

BioWare is one of the main offenders of making you play past games and indulging in the EE to understand what the hell is going on.

 

They are not significant characters in Inquisition, otherwise there is extensive information about all the important characters. The codex helps a lot as well.

 

In beginning of Witcher 3 game you have no idea who Ciri is therefore 70% of the game is you chasing someone you don't know, with more characters greeting you warmly and again you have no idea who they are. I had to ragequit and go back and play previous witcher games.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I can understand not liking it if someone wants a brighter more optimistic world.

Toussaint at least was as close to a fairy tale land as it gets!

[Lulupab]

You're not giving them a reason though. All you're saying is "No". Well, why not?

 

Because Bioware has its own audience, which happens to be its main audience. They don't need to become CDP #2. If you think MEA should be influenced by TW3 then you are not part of this main audience. Call it "Bioware experience" if you like, that's what majority of people want from Bioware. Some tiny elements can influence them, but that's it.

[General TSAR]

On another note TW3 has good combat music, but

 

No song can describe a country as good as this: The backstabbing, fashion, politics. This is like Orlesian national anthem

 

 

 

And no song can describe a characters development and arc as good as this:

 

 

Granted most credit goes to Tevor Morris (the composer), but still.

Let's give credit where credit is due to Tevor Morris for the incredible trespasser DLC soundtrack and BioWare for doing a fine job introducing a complex antagonist for the next game. They did something well in the DLC.

[LPPrince]

Toussaint at least was as close to a fairy tale land as it gets!

 

 

Aye, well visually. The underbelly of the beast on the other hand, much darker. hah

[LPPrince]

Because Bioware has its own audience, which happens to be its main audience. They don't need to become CDP #2. If you think MEA should be influenced by TW3 then you are not part of this main audience. Call it "Bioware experience" if you like, that's what majority of people want from Bioware. Some tiny elements can influence them, but that's it.

 

Who said they'd become CDPR #2? And what do you mean wanting ME to be influenced by TW3 makes me not part of the main audience? I've been here for close to ten years now. Not part of the main audience. lol

[TevinterSupremacist]

Because Bioware has its own audience, which happens to be its main audience. They don't need to become CDP #2. If you think MEA should be influenced by TW3 then you are not part of this main audience. Call it "Bioware experience" if you like, that's what majority of people want from Bioware. Some tiny elements can influence them, but that's it.

Yeah, yeah, nah.

 

After posts upon posts upon posts of "well, just because you liked crpgs and DA:O style gamplay and that was what bioware did till then, it doesn't mean they own you anything. Bioware can do whatever they want, if they want to take the franchise in a new direction, it's perfectly fine" that tried to defend DA2 and Inquisition, this kind of argument doesn't really hold weight anymore.

 

Bioware has shown they can ignore what they did so far and go into a different direction just fine.

[Lulupab]

Who said they'd become CDPR #2? And what do you mean wanting ME to be influenced by TW3 makes me not part of the main audience? I've been here for close to ten years now. Not part of the main audience. lol

 

By you "not being part of main audience" I meant if you had to choose you'd always choose a CDP game, I didn't mean to say you do not enjoy Bioware games. 

 

Bioware games have their own integrity and style, many people would hate to see that go. Therefore if any influence is going to happens its going to be subtle and small, as it should be.

[Lulupab]

Yeah, yeah, nah.

 

After posts upon posts upon posts of "well, just because you liked crpgs and DA:O style gamplay and that was what bioware did till then, it doesn't mean they own you anything. Bioware can do whatever they want, if they want to take the franchise in a new direction, it's perfectly fine" that tried to defend DA2 and Inquisition, this kind of argument doesn't really hold weight anymore.

 

Bioware has shown they can ignore what they did so far and go into a different direction just fine.

 

Somethings never changed though, sure they changed some aspects between DAO, DA2 and DA:I, but they were loyal to many things on the way. 

[iM3GTR]

There was plenty wrong with ME3 beyond the ending, that was just the 5 lb straw that broke the camel's back. They could learn from loads of franchises. Though I think a lot of the issues with it were a result of Bioware just doing things they shouldn't have done, like they had another option but chose not to take it, leaving us with...it.

That's heavy for a straw.

[LPPrince]

By you "not being part of main audience" I meant if you had to choose you'd always choose a CDP game, I didn't mean to say you do not enjoy Bioware games. 

 

Bioware games have their own integrity and style, many people would hate to see that go. Therefore if any influence is going to happens its going to be subtle and small, as it should be.

 

 

And how do you know that? The original Mass Effect is one of my favorite games of all time. ME2 was a fantastic game as well. DAO, absolutely incredible. Its DA2 and ME3 that blew. Inquisition I enjoyed but not to the degree of a ME1/ME2/DAO. And it so happens I enjoyed TW3 more than Inquisition. Don't leap.

[LPPrince]

That's heavy for a straw.

 

ME3's ending was that bad.

[The Elder King]

By you "not being part of main audience" I meant if you had to choose you'd always choose a CDP game, I didn't mean to say you do not enjoy Bioware games. 
 
Bioware games have their own integrity and style, many people would hate to see that go. Therefore if any influence is going to happens its going to be subtle and small, as it should be.

I don't think Prince would always prefer a CDP game.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Somethings never changed though, sure they changed some aspects between DAO, DA2 and DA:I, but they were loyal to many things on the way. 

And the same can be done by taking things in a more witcher-like direction.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they should...or that they shouldn't.

 

 

I'm just saying it's funny after seeing so many  "there's no such thing as main audience , bioware doesn't own you anything, they can change direction if they want" to start seeing the reverse too.

The joy of many opinions.

[Lulupab]

And how do you know that? The original Mass Effect is one of my favorite games of all time. ME2 was a fantastic game as well. DAO, absolutely incredible. Its DA2 and ME3 that blew. Inquisition I enjoyed but not to the degree of a ME1/ME2/DAO. And it so happens I enjoyed TW3 more than Inquisition. Don't leap.

 

Ok then, but based on your posts in this thread you definitely didn't give such a vibe because of how easily you joined the blame Bioware train while being on a praise CDP train.

[The Elder King]

Ok then, but based on your posts in this thread you definitely didn't give such a vibe because of how easily you joined the blame Bioware train while being on a praise CDP train.

Only if you assume that a person that prefers CDP now couldn't have preferred or loved Bioware more in the past.

[LPPrince]

Ok then, but based on your posts in this thread you definitely didn't give such a vibe because of how easily you joined the blame Bioware train while being on a praise CDP train.

 

 

Thats cause ME1/DAO/ME2 were years ago and since then Bioware has severely dropped the ball not just in the quality of their games(brought up a bit thankfully thru Inquisition) but also their handling of...well, everything. It isn't hard to call out Bioware's many flaws.

 

And considering all the things done right with TW3, it isn't hard to call out CDPR's praises. And hey, they aren't perfect either.

[Lulupab]

ME3's ending was that bad.

 

This is many things people disagree on. I had the same opinion until extended cut. ME3 ending was not bad because it wasn't happy, it was bad because it didn't revealed what happened after the ending. Extended cut fixes that.

 

I always thought ME3 ending was natural because of sheer force of Reapers. It would be very cheap to allow the player to just defeat them and celebrate afterwards. Millions of civilizations before humans have failed to stop the reapers and majority of them were stronger than this cycle. If reapers are finally defeated there needs to be serious consequences and damage. I'm sorry but reapers are not Scrublords like Eredin, which you can beat him in possibly one of the easiest last boss fights of all time and proceed with your happy ending. Reapers are a force who have utterly obliterated whole civilizations for trillions of years. There cannot be a happy ending, Shepard dying, EDI and geth dying or similar consequences are a must for defeating such a force. Because stopping them no matter what is actually a happy ending as long as the cycle continues.

[Lulupab]

Thats cause ME1/DAO/ME2 were years ago and since then Bioware has severely dropped the ball not just in the quality of their games(brought up a bit thankfully thru Inquisition) but also their handling of...well, everything. It isn't hard to call out Bioware's many flaws.

 

And considering all the things done right with TW3, it isn't hard to call out CDPR's praises. And hey, they aren't perfect either.

 

But you see many people do not agree with you. During my long time in this forums the consensus is there is absolutely nothing wrong with ME3 until pirority: Earth mission, even then the opinions vary on what's wrong and what isn't.

[Steelcan]

But you see many people do not agree with you. During my long time in this forums the consensus is there is absolutely nothing wrong with ME3 until pirority: Earth mission, even then the opinions vary on what's wrong and what isn't.

What consensus?

 

You can ask lots of people who will tell you things were off the rails in ME3 in several different areas.  The only part of the game that recieves anything close to universal praise is Tuchunka.  Everything else can and does have supporters and detractors.

[The Elder King]

But you see many people do not agree with you. During my long time in this forums the consensus is there is absolutely nothing wrong with ME3 until pirority: Earth mission, even then the opinions vary on what's wrong and what isn't.

There isn't at all consensus on ME3 being all good Before the endings. There is howewer disagreement on the flaws or qualities of the game, as all Bioware games.

[Lulupab]

So lets see then, what is wrong with ME3 other than the ending? Which game of the same genre did things better? You can't answer the 1st question without answering the 2nd one as well.

 

Lets go.

[Saladinbob1]

"Indie" is a useless term anyway. I used the word in the context of perception and expectation, and to differentiate CDPR from giants like Rockstar and EA.

 

CDPR may not be in the same league as EA (but then again, not many are) but they're by no means some small, poor indie studio. They own GOG and make a fair amount of money from it and, as others said, TW3 is very much a AAA game that had a large budget spent on it and has been given a long development cycle post-release. Unlike EA (or Bethesda and others), they have the common decency not to charge you money for new armour sets or hairstyles and release proper, old-school expansions at reasonable prices. Never mind Bioware being influenced by TW3, EA could learn a thing or two from CDPR about how not to exploit your customers.

[Steelcan]

So lets see then, what is wrong with ME3 other than the ending? Which game of the same genre did things better? You can't answer the 1st question without answering the 2nd one as well.

 

Lets go.

What is this nonsense?

 

I don't have to point to another game to say that ME3 did things wrong.  I can point to the horrific villain that is Kai Leng, the utterly ridiculous and inconsistent characters like Legion and Udina, the non-sensical placement of the Cerberus coup attempt, the lack of interesting side missions, the dearth of content for many side characters, the repetitive gameplay, the uninspired writing of the Thessia and Rannoch missions, and so on

[Xilizhra]

What is this nonsense?

 

I don't have to point to another game to say that ME3 did things wrong.  I can point to the horrific villain that is Kai Leng, the utterly ridiculous and inconsistent characters like Legion and Udina, the non-sensical placement of the Cerberus coup attempt, the lack of interesting side missions, the dearth of content for many side characters, the repetitive gameplay, the uninspired writing of the Thessia and Rannoch missions, and so on

Wait, how was Rannoch uninspired?