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[In Exile]

I don't think its really individuality as we would understand it, and they clearly thought it was inferior to communal existence

It's absolutely individuality as we understand it because it's expressed it concepts we understand and according to simple democratic decision making processes we use. Writers suck at understanding what it means for something to be beyond our comprehension. It doesn't mean "complicated concept I don't get." It means "concept so alien it is impossible to understand by common reference".

A blind person doesn't see - but sight isn't beyond their comprehension as a concept. The experience of sight is if they're born blind, but these are different things. Your sense of self is beyond my comprehension - I have no way of understanding what it's like to be you apart from reference to my perception. But that doesn't make your experience generally beyond my comprehension.

[Thibax]

We can doubt if this topic were against female characters would be still opened.

 

Maybe the Bioware mods are doing some brainwash or just for fun.

[Mr.House]

Can we at least agree  Bioware should look at TW3s side quests instead of their own since the side quests in DA and ME series leave alot to be desired.

[Mr.House]

 

We can doubt if this topic were against female characters would be still opened.

 

Maybe the Bioware mods are doing some brainwash or just for fun.

 

Welcome to double standard, where if you say you don't want to play a game because it has a female lead you are bashed, trolled and called a sexist, but it's fine if its a male lead.

[Lulupab]

ME is not supposed to be side quest heavy anyway, but DA could definitely use some good side quests. The maps of DA:I who are not relevant in main story are hollow and full of fetch and mindless kill quests. There are very good side quests, but there are few.

[Anacronian Stryx]

We need a thread that proclaims that tomb raider is gynocentric and that Andromeda should be nothing like it - would be fun to see how long that lasts.

[Derrame]

Most of the free DLC should've been in the core game.

I also find it funny that the few quests added were of subpar quality, perhaps on purpose to make the shipped game and their slow-feed of "free DLC" look better.

all of the dlc for the mass effect and dragon age series should have been in the core game too. The quality of the free dlc quests was exactly the same as the quests in the core game.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Can we at least agree  Bioware should look at TW3s side quests instead of their own since the side quests in DA and ME series leave alot to be desired.

I was fine with side quests in ME1/2/3 and DAO/DA2 but Inquisition took it to another level that I simply couldn't overlook. As it stands, the average random side quest in Witcher 3 has more meaning and thought put into it than most MAIN quests in DAI.

[Mr.House]

ME is not supposed to be side quest heavy anyway, but DA could definitely use some good side quests. The maps of DA:I who are not relevant in main story are hollow and full of fetch and mindless kill quests. There are very good side quests, but there are few.

Not being side quest heavy does not excuse crappy side quests, more so when the focus on this game seems to be exploring a new galaxy.

[Lulupab]

Not being side quest heavy does not excuse crappy side quests, more so when the focus on this game seems to be exploring a new galaxy.

 

The engine was not exploration friendly, like at all. So with frostbyte things may change.

 

N7 missions were not that bad though, they were optional and had enough impact to be unique from each other.

[Goth Skunk]

We've heard so much about TW3 in these forums. About how great and wonderful it is. And that really scares me. Especially considering how problematic the game is. Its lack of respect for women, homosexuals and minorities being the major ones. In the entire game, you play as some old, boring, white dude who can go around sleeping with young women, who are often prostitutes and are forced to sell themselves. The fact that the developers thought it would be a good idea to allow players to take advantage of disadvantaged women is disgusting. There is so much misogyny in the game. Women are treated like crap everywhere. Then there's the lack of racial diversity and lack of representation for the LGBT community as well. 

 

Bioware, please don't let this disgusting dudebro simulator influence you. The game is stupid and has a really despicable protagonist. Please don't ruin Mass Effect by imitating CD Project Red. You're better than this. 

We've heard so much about how people like RagingCalgarian think everything is racist, everything is sexist, everything is homophobic. Especially considering how problematic such generalizations are. It's a lack of respect for free speech and free expression being the major issues I have with such a mindset. Their entire day is spent looking for things to be offended by and to raise a stink about a fantasy they don't enjoy, but other people have the audacity to enjoy. They think that because something is not to their taste, no one else should be able to enjoy it. The fact that people like this think this is a good idea to allow a minority to take advantage of a creator's free expression and a fanbase's love for the product is disgusting. There is so much misandry in these peoples minds. Men are treated like crap in the western world. Then there's the lack of thought diversity and lack of representation for differing opinions that challenge the dogma.

 

Bioware, please don't let this disgusting mindset infest your company any further. I'm already choosing to buy Mass Effect: Andromeda second-hand on account of people on your payroll, with a condition that if I truly enjoy it that I will purchase a legitimate copy afterward. Please don't ruin Mass Effect by letting them inject their toxic mindset into your game. You're better than this.

 

Signed, another raging Calgarian.

[Dalinne]

 

We can doubt if this topic were against female characters would be still opened.

 

Maybe the Bioware mods are doing some brainwash or just for fun.

 

 

Welcome to double standard, where if you say you don't want to play a game because it has a female lead you are bashed, trolled and called a sexist, but it's fine if its a male lead.

 

Do you realize this thread still open because people instead of following the questionable premise of the OP they are talking about some high points of The Witcher? Comparing with DA and ME?

Also, I don't want to presume anything but I get the impression the OP is not very interested in his/her own thread and her/his statements are more ironic*  than really serious...

 

*Take ironic as a way to say something I can't say without arise warning points, but let Max Hardy to explain it...

 

[dreamgazer]

The quality of the free dlc quests was exactly the same as the quests in the core game.

 

Fool's Gold is by far one of the worst quests in the entire Witcher experience, and it would've taken the "escort the animal" tally up quite a few notches had it been in the base game.  But, if you want to say that it's on par with the rest of the quests in the core game, go for it.

[In Exile]

Can we at least agree Bioware should look at TW3s side quests instead of their own since the side quests in DA and ME series leave alot to be desired.

I thought we did all agree on that, apart from a few side arguments about whether TW3 did it well because the content itself was good or better presented?

[dreamgazer]

I thought we did all agree on that, apart from a few side arguments about whether TW3 did it well because the content itself was good or better presented?

 

I have my feelings about the template and I feel that a good chunk of Inquisition's side-content is better than it receives credit for, but yes, BioWare should up their side-quest game in Andromeda.  At the very least, get the camera back into cinematic mode. 

[In Exile]

I have my feelings about the template and I feel that a good chunk of Inquisition's side-content is better than it receives credit for, but yes, BioWare should up their side-quest game in Andromeda. At the very least, get the camera back into cinematic mode.

DAIs side content is no different from any quest by Bioware, which is either fetch or kill. Bioware has always had uninspired quest design. What Bioware does not do all that well is gloss over their mediocre quest design, and I think from there they can learn a lot from CDPR - ways to do lots of cheap content without making it look recycled and cheap.

[Steelcan]

Fool's Gold is by far one of the worst quests in the entire Witcher experience, and it would've taken the "escort the animal" tally up quite a few notches had it been in the base game.  But, if you want to say that it's on par with the rest of the quests in the core game, go for it.

Where the Cat and Wolf Play makes up for that

[GoneRampant]

Are you kidding? Bioware could only improve if they took lessons from CDPR.

 

How to write good characters, how to write good plots, how to regain their lost glory days, how to not be bad developers, how to not make an MMO out of a single player RPG, how to showcase a game properly with actual footage instead of stock NASA footage...

 

How to properly write gay characters without it feeling like the writer's whacking one off over how "Progressive" they are.

 

Insert GIF expressing the passage of time.

 

How to not insult their fanbase when they call your ending ****, how to not use gender politics as a shield for poor writing...

 

CDPR in three games have eclipsed every Bioware game since Mass Effect 2.

 

Also, if you're getting offended by the idea that you can sleep with prostitutes, you can do what I and many others do and don't go to the goddamn whorehouse and ask to have sex with a prostitute.

[dreamgazer]

Where the Cat and Wolf Play makes up for that

 

It's better, that's for sure.

 

The Missing Miners quest was a big bucket of blah as well, though. 

[Lady Artifice]

We've heard so much about how people like RagingCalgarian think everything is racist, everything is sexist, everything is homophobic. Especially considering how problematic such generalizations are. It's a lack of respect for free speech and free expression being the major issues I have with such a mindset. Their entire day is spent looking for things to be offended by and to raise a stink about a fantasy they don't enjoy, but other people have the audacity to enjoy. They think that because something is not to their taste, no one else should be able to enjoy it. The fact that people like this think this is a good idea to allow a minority to take advantage of a creator's free expression and a fanbase's love for the product is disgusting. There is so much misandry in these peoples minds. Men are treated like crap in the western world. Then there's the lack of thought diversity and lack of representation for differing opinions that challenge the dogma.

 

Bioware, please don't let this disgusting mindset infest your company any further. I'm already choosing to buy Mass Effect: Andromeda second-hand on account of people on your payroll, with a condition that if I truly enjoy it that I will purchase a legitimate copy afterward. Please don't ruin Mass Effect by letting them inject their toxic mindset into your game. You're better than this.

 

Signed, another raging Calgarian.

 

See, this is precisely why I take the claims that "SJW political correctness gone mad are taking over" with such a heavy dose of salt. The OP of this thread comes off as so brazenly ironic to me that I don't understand how anyone can hold them up as earnest example of the philosophy they present. And yet if so many people respond with this degree of solemnity, then how  many other troll posts are they confusing for the genuine article?

[Mr.House]

It's better, that's for sure.

 

The Missing Miners quest was a big bucket of blah as well, though. 

Skelligs Most Wanted makes up for that too.

[dreamgazer]

Skelligs Most Wanted makes up for that too.

 

You mean the one that was broken for months on end?  Meh. 

[iM3GTR]

DAIs side content is no different from any quest by Bioware, which is either fetch or kill. Bioware has always had uninspired quest design. What Bioware does not do all that well is gloss over their mediocre quest design, and I think from there they can learn a lot from CDPR - ways to do lots of cheap content without making it look recycled and cheap.

Bioware need to look at their older games to find interesting quests. I haven't played much of their oldest stuff, but I know that middle-aged BW games like kotor had good side quests. Even ME1 had the citadel ones like 'I remember me' and 'Old, unhappy, far-off things' to add some nice stories to Shepard's family history.
Hell, even some of the 'go in a generic base and kill the mercs' had interesting little conversations and role-playing opportunities. For example, the Corporal Toombs, Major Kyle confrontations and the Elanos Haliat nuke quest.

[Seraphim24]

Bioware fans still going strong!

 

Honestly I think Bioware is plenty capable of making interesting side stories like in SWTOR base game, I think sometimes they just get lazy or something and stuff disappears.. if they want to get the most value and biggest impact they can't settle for just kind of doing that "main story drive" they go for, instead it should feel immersive and fleshed out.

 

They didn't do that in DA:I, they just copy-pasted a Skyrim experience, TW3 didn't, and it shows in the gap in sales.

 

No one talks about Jedi X in the Jedi consular path (as I encountered yesterday) in the forums but honestly those experiences (and random side codex entries) are often just as interesting as the main story.

 

Like Sylvius the pre-Baldur's Gate sequences in Baldur's Gate I thought were some of the immersive and engaging sequences you found in gaming anywhere.

[Seraphim24]

Bioware need to look at their older games to find interesting quests. I haven't played much of their oldest stuff, but I know that middle-aged BW games like kotor had good side quests. Even ME1 had the citadel ones like 'I remember me', 'Old, unhappy, far-off things' to add some nice stories to Shepard's family history.
Hell, even some of the 'go in a generic base and kill the mercs' had interesting little conversations and role-playing opportunities. For example, the Corporal Toombs, Major Kyle confrontations and the Elanos Haliat nuke quest.

 

Yeah pretty much the same idea at the same moment.