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[Drakoriz]

It didn't sacrifice anything. The whole point of the franchise is Geralt of Rivia. Being a witcher means he has to be the way he is, and The Witcher 3 in particular did an incredible job of showing the depth of Geralt's character, really fleshing him out and adding so much more to the game. It really is incredible, without a doubt one of the best games I've ever played. Only DA game I'd say is one of the best games I've ever played is Origins, though understandably thats more a result of the time the game came out as it wouldn't be received the same today.

 

well........ that depend....

Witcher 3 scarifies the Geralts from Witcher  1 and 2, just to bring the one from the novels. It was a move that even CDproyect admit. Since they try to make a story away from the novels but them with Witcher 3 they bring it back to it.

 

For me that kill the whole plot on many of the main quest since when i play Witcher 3 for the first time i didnt read the books so i didnt know much about Yenifer and i didnt understand why Geralt act like a ***** aroung her.

[dreamgazer]

Not touching the OP with a 10 foot pole. That being said there's a lot on the gameplay side to mimic and especially the game design side.

 

Eh, I'd think a little harder about "game design". The majority of the side-quests rely on the same, repetitive template over and over and over again.

 

And there's plenty of collecting going on Witcher 3, too.

[Undead Han]

You're too obvious, OP. Your posts might as well be neon signs flashing BAIT.

[Drakoriz]

Eh, I'd think a little harder about "game design". The majority of the side-quests rely on the same, repetitive template over and over and over again.

 

And there's plenty of collecting going on Witcher 3, too.

 

yeah i dont undestand how many ppl let this pass on Witcher 3 or ignore it.

 

For me one of the main complains when they move the game to Open world, was how empty the maps are outside the collective. It make the maps feel like a AC map and that isnt good. And i mean about the same type of collective over and over and over.

 

I really feel the miss a good change to introduce good dungoens on Witcher 3.

 

And i too agree that most of the side quest come down to the same mechanics and they become repetitive. Contrac, track, kill, turn quest.

But the particular ones that have good story are good.

[Battlebloodmage]

You're too obvious, OP. Your posts might as well be neon signs flashing BAIT.

I don't think so, a lot of people are actually debating him seriously. 

[DebatableBubble]

I don't think so, a lot of people are actually debating him seriously.

You jest but I think that he's being serious.

[DarthLaxian]

We've heard so much about TW3 in these forums. About how great and wonderful it is. And that really scares me. Especially considering how problematic the game is. Its lack of respect for women, homosexuals and minorities being the major ones. In the entire game, you play as some old, boring, white dude who can go around sleeping with young women, who are often prostitutes and are forced to sell themselves. The fact that the developers thought it would be a good idea to allow players to take advantage of disadvantaged women is disgusting. There is so much misogyny in the game. Women are treated like crap everywhere. Then there's the lack of racial diversity and lack of representation for the LGBT community as well. 

 

Bioware, please don't let this disgusting dudebro simulator influence you. The game is stupid and has a really despicable protagonist. Please don't ruin Mass Effect by imitating CD Project Red. You're better than this. 

 

 

Sorry, but it's YOU who's (to quote you!) DISGUSTING!

 

Geralt is not forcing anybody to sell themselves (hell, he often enough helps unfortunate people (sometimes for pay, because he's doing his job as a monster slayer for hire, but also sometimes because people get handed a lousy lot in life!) - and often enough they **** all over him for it, some even spit at him or try to kill him! Not to mention all the racist/derogatory coments that get flung his way constantly (Sorry, but I normally am quite peaceful, but the Witcher world sometimes made me want to slaugther all the ungrateful peasants around me (note: I've been bullied as a child, so I am sensitive to this kind of thing, it's a sore spot you shouldn't constantly hit as it makes me react badly!)) or anything...he's as much a victim of that world as everybody else (including the high and mighty sorceresses who people fear despite most of them not even wanting to muck around in peasants lives etc.)

 

He's not "a white dude", he's not even really human (anymore - his mutations making him close to a new species, look at his eyes damned (and those scars - most of wounds they come from would KILL a normal human!))

 

Also: This world is supposed to mimick Poland in the middle ages (just with magic and monsters - and witchers who were MADE (they aren't natural) to combat those monsters (at a high price: they are firstly infertile and secondly: the survival rate of the trials is not very high!))

 

Not that it's close, I mean look at this world, there's women soldiers, minstrels/singers, actors, doctors etc. and even a queen if you help out the Crach an Crait's daughter during the council meeting (that get's ruined and now you need to find out who murdered several of the Arls!)...so no, women aren't really extremely discriminated against (reality was probably WORSE!)

 

The repressed/persecuted minorities AREN'T HUMAN either (elfs, dwarfs etc.) - sure racism isn't great (you can put a stop to it in some quests and I always do, but Geralt is normally neutral (witcher-code!) because he's supposed to work for EVERYBODY), but it's not human-racism (so don't imply that!)

 

Yes, Geralt is COLD, but you have to remember he's around 100 years old (!) because witchers don't age (or at least they age so slowly that most don't get old and retire because they are usually killed fighting some monster (or because racists kill them (!) - so it's really not Geralt who's racist...did you even play the damned games?) and has lived in a world that fears and despises him for the most part (he's a necessary evil for most people, but not one they like to have around if there isn't a monster to slay!), he's got no home, no income (if he doesn't get a monster contract he'll starve!) and he's got no girlfriend or wife (sorry: Yennefer doesn't count, she's always abusing him IMHO...that's why I am changing all that in my runs (he goes with Triss in TW3 and he now has that vineyard!)) so is it any wounder he sleeps around? (also: A lot of women want to sleep with him, particularly because he can't get them pregnant!)

 

Dude-Bro-Simulator? - *Insert rant and expletives here* You are just an SJW and a hater, sorry (and I don't even normally want to use this MGTOW-Word as I am not as jaded as many of them are - yet (it can still happen!))

 

No they AREN'T BETTER THAN THIS - in fact their 3 last games weren't that good (the Dragon Age ones were decent, but not up to their usual standard and ME3 was a train-wreck, a disaster!)

 

Damned, I don't normally feed trolls like that, but this guy really needs a dose of reality (in RL I'd slap him with my open hand (you can dislike/hate "The Witcher" - got no problem with that! - but do so with good arguments, not some unsubstantiated BS!)

 

ps: I think they could learn some lessons from "The Witcher" (not only the third game, but ALL OF THEM!)!

[Battlebloodmage]

You jest but I think that he's being serious.

I doubt it, he made a lot of obvious troll threads like romancing Krogan or else you're Kroganphobic, transgender thread using the Sims, Witcher 3. He just makes a controversial topic and just let it out and let the posters attack each other. 

 

People who post big posts and attack unrelated people are basically just feeding him and bring in hostility from the other group who has nothing to do with this. 

[LPPrince]

I like their sidequests, how they handle romance, their decisions, how big the game is, fun mini games.

 

 

Another big one is I like how TW3 dealt with the consequences of your actions. Way better than DA's. Ex-

 

Spoiler

In White Orchard(beginning of game), you come across the herbalist Tomira who has a girl she's tending to. The girl was attacked by the griffon you're tracking and as a result, she has blood rushing through her head and is basically bound to die.

 

Geralt has the opportunity to try and save her by giving her a Swallow potion. Problem is, its a potion made for a Witcher to drink, not a regular human. Witchers that take it heal instantly, a normal human MIGHT heal after a few days, but there's usually some nasty side effects that can come as a result, if not an absolutely agonizingly painful death.

 

So, give her the potion? Or don't?

 

Don't- You decide to leave her to her fate, and she'll end up passing away eventually due to the injuries the griffon caused her. She leaves a lover in the Nilfgaardian army.

 

Do- You give her the potion and leave her to rest. Geralt eventually leaves White Orchard(story progression) before learning of her fate. But upon reaching Velen if you enter the Nilfgaardian camp in the southeast, a Nilfgaardian soldier(her lover) approaches you and tells you about her. She apparently survived the wounds inflicted by the griffon, so Geralt saved her life. Unfortunately, the potion had a nasty effect on her body and mind;she doesn't recognize anyone, she spaces out quite often, and she spends most of the day sleeping. She's not herself, basically a vegetable. Geralt can do nothing about it, suggesting he go to a mage for help as the result is likely permanent. The soldier then wonders if he should thank Geralt for saving her life or curse him for not leaving her to die a peaceful death.

 

And that is just a little, unimportant, not relevant to the main story side quest. That is what I'm looking for in an RPG, decisions that make me feel emotions and have me wondering if I made the right choice. Not just fetch quests.

[In Exile]

Eh, I'd think a little harder about "game design". The majority of the side-quests rely on the same, repetitive template over and over and over again.

And there's plenty of collecting going on Witcher 3, too.

The point isn't that they're repetitive - the point is that they've hidden it so well most people don't think or feel it's repetitive. It's not what they did but how they did it that's a good learning experience I think.

[Gileadan]

Nice job, OP.  You prepared a fun little arena full of mud and waited for the usual suspects. Well played.

[Drakoriz]

Another big one is I like how TW3 dealt with the consequences of your actions. Way better than DA's. Ex-

 

Spoiler

In White Orchard(beginning of game), you come across the herbalist Tomira who has a girl she's tending to. The girl was attacked by the griffon you're tracking and as a result, she has blood rushing through her head and is basically bound to die.

 

Geralt has the opportunity to try and save her by giving her a Swallow potion. Problem is, its a potion made for a Witcher to drink, not a regular human. Witchers that take it heal instantly, a normal human MIGHT heal after a few days, but there's usually some nasty side effects that can come as a result, if not an absolutely agonizingly painful death.

 

So, give her the potion? Or don't?

 

Don't- You decide to leave her to her fate, and she'll end up passing away eventually due to the injuries the griffon caused her. She leaves a lover in the Nilfgaardian army.

 

Do- You give her the potion and leave her to rest. Geralt eventually leaves White Orchard(story progression) before learning of her fate. But upon reaching Velen if you enter the Nilfgaardian camp in the southeast, a Nilfgaardian soldier(her lover) approaches you and tells you about her. She apparently survived the wounds inflicted by the griffon, so Geralt saved her life. Unfortunately, the potion had a nasty effect on her body and mind;she doesn't recognize anyone, she spaces out quite often, and she spends most of the day sleeping. She's not herself, basically a vegetable. Geralt can do nothing about it, suggesting he go to a mage for help as the result is likely permanent. The soldier then wonders if he should thank Geralt for saving her life or curse him for not leaving her to die a peaceful death.

 

And that is just a little, unimportant, not relevant to the main story side quest. That is what I'm looking for in an RPG, decisions that make me feel emotions and have me wondering if I made the right choice. Not just fetch quests.

 

But ME trilogy have side quest like this all over the games. And this is my point about Withcer 3 not doing nothing super revolutionary.

[dreamgazer]

And that is just a little, unimportant, not relevant to the main story side quest. That is what I'm looking for in an RPG, decisions that make me feel emotions and have me wondering if I made the right choice. Not just fetch quests.

 

Good thing that Inquisition has those, too. 

 

Both games have fetch quests. Both games have deeper side-content; Witcher 3 had more and Inquisition had less.

 

It's really not black and white. 

[LPPrince]

The point isn't that they're repetitive - the point is that they've hidden it so well most people don't think or feel it's repetitive. It's not what they did but how they did it that's a good learning experience I think.

 

 

Yep. At no point in The Witcher 3 did I ever feel like its quests were repetitive. Usually because of how they were handled narratively, along with the fact they never asked me to go into the same bloody cave a thousand times for different reasons.

[In Exile]

Yep. At no point in The Witcher 3 did I ever feel like its quests were repetitive. Usually because of how they were handled narratively, along with the fact they never asked me to go into the same bloody cave a thousand times for different reasons.

Yeah. The monster hunting for example - that's a very repetitive mechanic that's well spread out and used dialogue effectively to hide the repetitive mechanics. The biggest thing though is that TW3 doesn't have companions and gender options. That changed the VO cost curve pretty radically. And the cinematic curve, which they use very differently.

[LPPrince]

Good thing that Inquisition has those, too. 

 

Both games have fetch quests. Both games have deeper side-content; Witcher 3 had more and Inquisition had less.

 

It's really not black and white. 

 

If Inquisition had deep side content, I didn't see it. I don't recall a single side quest of Inquisition's. Probably because they all felt like cheap assignments. I should clarify my word choice-

 

Main Quests- Naturally, the quests that move the story forward to game completion. Expect cutscenes.

 

Side Quests- Quests that have a reduced importance than main quests but can sometimes be related to the main plot. Oftentimes having cutscenes.

 

Assignments- Quests with no importance, can take them or leave them, hold no narrative weight. Most often lacking cutscenes.

 

Inquisition made everything outside of the main quest line feel like assignments to me. Like, "Why am I even doing this? Is this just to pad things out?" Hence my mention earlier of camera work for the narrative making things feel important.

[Drakoriz]

Yep. At no point in The Witcher 3 did I ever feel like its quests were repetitive. Usually because of how they were handled narratively, along with the fact they never asked me to go into the same bloody cave a thousand times for different reasons.

 

lol but you need to admitted they send you to the same swear like 10 times, or the same forest like 20 on the tracking for contracts.

[Kroitz]

I hope more devs pay attention to what nintendo (monolith) are doing with open world.

[Drakoriz]

I hope more devs pay attention to what nintendo (monolith) are doing with open world.

 

what game they making?

[slimgrin]

OP needs a hobby.

[LPPrince]

Yeah. The monster hunting for example - that's a very repetitive mechanic that's well spread out and used dialogue effectively to hide the repetitive mechanics. The biggest thing though is that TW3 doesn't have companions and gender options. That changed the VO cost curve pretty radically. And the cinematic curve, which they use very differently.

 

To be fair, monster hunting in TW3 was quite varied as well in certain ways. While the framework is the same, its dressed so differently(cutscenes, narrative, NPCs, areas, method of attack, depth of quest) that it feels entirely different. Like comparing a cobb salad to an Israeli salad.

[Hrulj]

Mysogyny? Prostitutes forced into it? Just relax and calm your insecurities. Homophobia, sexism, lack of homophobia, and lack of sexism, racism and anti racism, speciesm and non speciesm should and shouldnt exist based on players choice. Choice is good. 

[vbibbi]

I will pretend the OP is authentic and say that yes, I don't want Bioware to alter any part of MEA due to trying to emulate TW3. If they were going to do X and decided doing Y would be more similar to TW3 and could attract a wider audience, that is bad.

 

That said, I highly doubt the OP has even played TW3 based on their summary of the characters and setting.

[Drakoriz]

I will pretend the OP is authentic and say that yes, I don't want Bioware to alter any part of MEA due to trying to emulate TW3. If they were going to do X and decided doing Y would be more similar to TW3 and could attract a wider audience, that is bad.

 

That said, I highly doubt the OP has even played TW3 based on their summary of the characters and setting.

 

is funny that not meter how much ppl wish ME A was like Witcher 3 or no, at this point the game wont change. So they making this type of post just to generated a debate or fight.

 

That why i think no one care

[dreamgazer]

The point isn't that they're repetitive - the point is that they've hidden it so well most people don't think or feel it's repetitive. It's not what they did but how they did it that's a good learning experience I think.

 

They haven't really hidden it very well, though.  The formula is plain as day, and relies entirely on Geralt's relatively blue-collar job.  

 

The writing's decent and personal with each one, but lumping too much praise on CDPR for their "game design" isn't right.