You can play the game however you like, because the game is a private experience. But if you come on a public forum and make false judgements using all your hindsight which you have gotten from finishing the game to a judge a in-game character that makes a decision reflecting the immediate situation be prepared to be called on your fallacy.
Ditto. People have different perspectives but I haven't said anything outright false. You raised the issue of what happened to Tranquil in Oculara codex, I said no one knows and there is no mention of the in the game. I was right there is no verbal mention of it at all, only in a single codex and on a side quest. That can and does easily imply no one except PC knows about it.
I haven't referenced the oculara codex at all. You quoted it and I responded, but nowhere in my original posts did I say anything about that codex, just that no one particularly cared that the tranquil were gone.
The events of hushed whispers take minutes to happen, the Inquisitor and Dorian are sent in time but they return to that exact moment and clearly with that the time magic manipulations end there. Are we suppose to believe not a single soul not even Inquisition itself was aware of the marching army towards Redcliff? If you have a better explanation I'm all ears. The army literally comes out of nowhere. Venatori spies did not detect them, Leliana did not detect them, no one did. They appear soon after Alexius loses the amulet with which he casts time magic.
What were you expecting? Us to be walking toward the Redcliffe tavern and someone showing up saying "lol I heard King Alistair is on his way!" We go directly from the war room in Haven to Redcliffe castle. Why should we be coming across Denerim's forces? There are lots of things we don't see directly in the game. We don't see the forces massing to siege Adamant before we get there, but they still arrive.
What exactly are you saying here? That Alistair/Anora appeared through time magic if we defeat Alexius?
Here's my better explanation: The army was heading to Redcliffe. The Inquisition was concerned with entering the castle without springing Alexius' trap, so what happens outside of Redcliffe village is irrelevant at this point. So everyone is concerned with the castle and village and not so much on anyone outside of that.
As for mages and the charges report. There are some Venatori inside Redcliff performing a ritual, and we know damn well where the mages are. They are marching on Haven.
I thought you didn't like using hindsight or meta knowledge in your role playing?
When there is no report of an invasion its far safer to assume the invasion didn't happen because I'm sure we would hear about an invasion of that size. Because we hear everything that happens to Templars if we side with mages, why should mages be different? With the evidence in hand everything points out to there being no invasion, unless you use the hindsight fallacy again and count the information you have from another playtrhough in which you sided with mages. This is usually a fallacy, more so when time magic is involved.
There were a few token Venatori left in Redcliffe castle if the Chargers investigate. All others are marching on Haven, as you say. So if Alistair/Anora go to Redcliffe, they will encounter minimal resistance and reinstall Teagan as ruler. No "invasion" necessary.
There are many various ambient dialogues. Some agree and some don't. I just found one by opening the game and listening. This is two mothers talking about the situation in Redcliff, with the conclusion being:
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So they are in fact safe, and I didn't say anything wrong. As far as Templar attacks are concerned, Alexius provided a safety Teagan failed to provide.
And it's also said that Alexius kicked all non-mages out of the castle except for a skeleton crew of servants. And Alexius is the one who started rumors about templars attacking to make the mages panic. There is no templar force about to attack Redcliffe, he created a false sense of danger to prove why he can protect the village more than Teagan.
If he really had that small amount of guards, then there is another valid reason for Fiona to accept Alexius's deal, which was the main discussion on this thread. Teagan failed to protected the mages and his people from Templar attacks, and later a few Venatori ousted him from power. He could have made a last stand like he did on DAO, Venatori do not have unlimited number like the undead and they die much easily. But he didn't have a real title to defend back then, did he? He cared about people not his riches in the castle.
Teagan was unlawfully ejected from his home by a powerful mage who manipulated time to get to Redcliffe and lie to everyone. I don't see how you're reaching the conclusion that if he can't defend his home from a mage using an unknown form of time magic he's not worthy of ruling his land. No one would have been able to win in that situation. Even if he had successfully repelled Alexius, Alexius would just reverse time and try a different tactic until he won. He literally has access to the reload button.
Also, Teagan doesn't make a last stand in DAO. We meet him as he's organizing defenses for the citizens and asks for our help. He then goes to the castle with Isolde and Connor because he knows them personally and thinks he can help. He has a clear way into the castle. In DAI, he doesn't have a clear entrance to the castle and would have been in the village surrounded by potentially hostile mages, not just the citizens of Redcliffe.
The Venatori didn't die easily, they required a commando unit to infiltrate the castle and assassinate them all at once before they could sound the alarm. How would Teagan and his guards have been able to do that? They are not trained spies like our forces would have been.
If you complete in hushed whispers he has every reason to believe Inquisition is there to help. But that statement is true in case of siding with Templars. Because Templars have pretty much invaded ferelden and Inquisition helps and rewards them.
The templars don't invade Ferelden, they retreat to their rightfully owned castle which lies in Ferelden. And again you're relying on hindsight. If we complete IHW he would have already left Redcliffe and gone to Denerim. By the time the Inquisition has come, Alistair/Anora are there to return the land to him. This also doesn't explain at all why he's only interested in power and not protecting his people.
Its not just the mages, according to various sources people literally get cringed around the tranquil, not to mention the tranquil are no longer counted as mages and they may leave the circle anytime they want. I was not talking about morality of this, but the facts of mage-tranquil relation. With few exceptions with Minaeve being one of them, the mages completely ignore the tranquil whether they are inside circles or rebelling outside of it. It was the tranquil's decision to follow them, just like it was their decision to stay in the circles when they could clearly leave.
No, majority of mages vehemently oppose tranquility. The Chantry and Templars made the tranquil, so the responsibility falls on them. Its them who take away their emotion and with it capacity to function like an actual human/elf. Some mages would feel emotional, as I said there are exception, but the majority don't and see them as lost causes at best.
Except the circles were an organization under the control of Chantry, mages were just part of it. They didn't have a say in most matters. Its like you are blaming the citizens for a situation the government has created. In this case the citizens are the mages, the government is the chantry and Templar enforcers with circle being the country.
When the Circles rebelled, they implicitly took responsibility for the tranquil. The tranquil were in the Circles and under the protection of the First Enchanters just like anyone else. If the Chantry had released the Circles and the mages weren't able to support the tranquil, I would place the majority of the burden on the Chantry. But it was the mages who decided to leave the Circles and they can't conditionally pick and choose which mages they will defend.
If they're not willing to protect the tranquil, they should own up to it. They shouldn't just ignore them as they're inconvenient and not bother investigating if they start to disappear. This is just one of the many demonstrations of the incompetence of leadership in the mage rebellion and shows how poorly planned it was and how short sighted.
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