Really? I mean, really?
To appreciate traits makes one a "creepy fetishist"? I could just as easily claim the entire pro-mage fandom are creepy fetishists because, really, how many would care for them if they didn't have these cool powers?
I think that was an exaggeration. People, specially mages, generally cringe when being near and talking to tranquil. Minaeve is a rare exception to this.
While it doesn't obivate Fiona's responsibilities, one does wonder why Vivienne's loyalists didn't try to provide aid or shelter to the abandoned Tranquil.
That's a very good question.
They are not without feelings or desire for security and comfort.
When Uldred unleashed abominations in his Circle and the Templars and Wynne had to close the gates, Owain sought out the storeroom. Why? Not because it was defensible or hidden, but because it was comforting to him, it was familiar to him, and during a high stress situation, he sought out comfort when immediate security was closed off.
While I say that the GE had a responsibility towards the Tranquil, just like she does towards every mage forced into the Circle, I don't recall the Templar killing Tranquil. So, it is possible Fiona didn't pay too much attention to them since they were not in as much danger. Still, as GE and the instigator for the rebellion, she is responsible for them.
The Tranquil are not hunted, heck the tranquil were free to leave the circles whenever they wanted before the rebellion. The good part of no one caring about you is no one is out to hurt you... Except Alexius.
And the bad part is nobody ever comes to your defense when you need it. Which I think answers my question: The rebels, the Circle, the Chantry, and the templars all failed the Tranquil because they prioritized their own interests over any duty of care they may have had. Which, sadly, is all too common in war.
While it doesn't obivate Fiona's responsibilities, one does wonder why Vivienne's loyalists didn't try to provide aid or shelter to the abandoned Tranquil.
The Tranquil are not hunted, heck the tranquil were free to leave the circles whenever they wanted before the rebellion. The good part of no one caring about you is no one is out to hurt you... Except Alexius.
Well, if they stayed with her Circle, she probably did make sure they were fine. If they left with Fiona, they left Viv's care and responsibility.
The game reveals very little, basically nothing, about the mages who remained with Vivienne. We know they were Loyalists (for the most part), but we never meet them. Can't say one way or another about how Viv managed her responsibilities towards them, other than she will go to the front lines if she has them join the Inquisition, and that says something about her leadership.
What do you mean by "if they stayed in the circles". Literally no one stayed in the circles, not even loyalists. They were battlegrounds.
I said "her Circle," but I should have used different words. I meant "the ones that stayed with Viv and did not join the rebels." I didn't mean to imply the Tower in Orlais, I meant "her Circle" as in her leadership as FE, I meant Circle as in the institution/organization, not building.What do you mean by "if they stayed in the circles". Literally no one stayed in the circles, not even loyalists. They were battlegrounds.
I said "her Circle," but I should have used different words. I meant "the ones that stayed with Viv and did not join the rebels." I didn't mean to imply the Tower in Orlais.
However, the Towers were left to be reoccupied after their initial uprising.
Oh OK then, I thought I missed something 
Templars attacked and killed people in Redcliff, both mages and actual people living in Redcliff. This attack happened before Fiona made the deal with Alexius and the result of the attack was the main reason she accepted the deal. So Teagan in fact failed to protect Redcliff.
Except you are referring to the Hinterlands, where most of the war took place and not in Redcliffe. Legally, there should be a bann, lord, or whatever ruler helping the folks at the Hinterlands alongside Teagan.
If you're looking someone to blame, Alistair and/or Anora would be your best choice since they didn't immediately mobilize their forces to help their people once the war started.
All in all, the game did a poor job at the show and tell aspect in the storyline. When time magic is involved, everything gets messy.
Minaeve is ****** ghoulish, by the way. Woman, you're praising traits that only exist in them due to the horrific mutilation inflicted upon them, and said traits have nothing whatsoever to do with the person they really are.
This is bleeping glorious. It's like looking down on the poor not because they're that way, but they remind them of you and what you might become.
Except you're not a bleeping mage.
The Fereldan Crown doesn't have that much responsibility or power. Fereldan is not Orlais, there is no large national military. The crown rules at the approval of the Bannorn. The soldiers of Fereldan are divided among the banns, arls, and teyrns, and they are loyal to their local lord who in turn is supposed to be loyal to the next higher up.Except you are referring to the Hinterlands, where most of the war took place and not in Redcliffe. Legally, there should be a bann, lord, or whatever ruler helping the folks at the Hinterlands alongside Teagan.
If you're looking someone to blame, Alistair and/or Anora would be your best choice since they didn't immediately mobilize their forces to help their people once the war started.
All in all, the game did a poor job at the show and tell aspect in the storyline. When time magic is involved, everything gets messy.
The Fereldan Crown doesn't have that much responsibility or power. Fereldan is not Orlais, there is no large national military. The crown rules at the approval of the Bannorn. The soldiers of Fereldan are divided among the banns, arls, and teyrns, and they are loyal to their local lord who in turn is supposed to be loyal to the next higher up.
Edit: It takes time to gather forces and for requests by local arl for help to get things going. If Teagan didn't ask for aid, support from others would be required for the crown to act on Redcliffe.
Ah I forgot about these. Thanks!
This is bleeping glorious. It's like looking down on the poor not because they're that way, but they remind them of you and what you might become.
Except you're not a bleeping mage.
This is a complete non sequitur. I don't look down on the Tranquil, I look down on those who made them that way.
This is a complete non sequitur. I don't look down on the Tranquil, I look down on those who made them that way.
And those who care for them, it seems.
An arl is a bann who is also a vassal for the teyrn. The arl can, at the direction of the teyrn, implement policies or call other banns to action. Arl Teagan likely went to Denerim because the crown acts as his teyrn/teyrnir. The crown likely only used its own forces even though it could have mobilized surrounding banns to action, or directed Teagan to do so. It was likely done this way to avoid embarrassment for the crown, as it was the monarch(s) that advocated for the mages to be granted refuge. So calling the banns to action against mages in Redcliffe would not have sat well with them after being convinced to let the mages into Ferelden. It was a blunder on the crown's part as well as Teagan's. The crown let the mages in, but didn't manage them.
Makes sense. For all the good intentions Alistair/Anora had, the situation blew up in their faces rather spectacularly.
These topics keep reminding me of how badly designed the whole Mage/Templar choice was designed:
The way the game is structured, when the time to choose comes, you get a Venatori bastion near the Inquisition's HQ, and Templars which are nowhere to be found, unless you use Power on the War table to know that they holed themselves up in a fortress on the outskirts of the Bracilian Forest, on the other side of Ferelden!.
The thing is, after a Mage Warden and a Mage Hawke, I wanted to have a more traditionalist, pro-templar protagonist for the third game, but the geographical proximity of Redcliffe destroyed that choice: choosing to tackle the distant Champion of the Just makes only when metagaming ("I know the Venatori won't make a move while Quizzy is in Therinfall because the game's plot was written that way") or roleplaying an imbecilic zealot (and imbeciles bore me).
So I ended up having my conservative Inquisitor going after Alexius, with the intent to conscript the rest of the mages, throw cold water on their dreams of independence, and finally seek the Templars...
And since the quests are mutually exclusive, My Inquisitor ended up "pro-mage" by default, simply because I roleplayed him as capable of reading a map. 
And those who care for them, it seems.
She's not doing much in the way of actually caring for them.
She's not doing much in the way of actually caring for them.
That still makes her way better than you.
She's not doing much in the way of actually caring for them.
Yeah, all she did was consider them people. It's not like Minaeve tried to protect them despite risks to her own life and her not being very good with magic. Oh wait, she did.
Yeah, all she did was consider them people. It's not like Minaeve tried to protect them despite risks to her own life and her not being very good with magic. Oh wait, she did.
Point still stands that Minaeve needed to be rescued as well, so Xil's right that she wasn't doing much to protect them anymore than the mage rebellion- which by the way also took in Tranquil before Alexius got them by the balls.
As for whether it's morally right to consider them as people, well that is a convoluted issue. A tranquil knows no modesty and are very exploitable. They will allow you to exploit them with their blessing. Sure Minaeve told them to follow her to safety, but they have no desire to resist. They neither desired it nor will be greatful for it, they only desire to serve a command. If you order them to kill themselves, they might actually do it. You can order them for slave labor or sexual favors and they will comply without complaint. Tranquils were some of Ser Otto Alrik's greatest supporters. I would think that they desire self-preservation but Maddox showed me even that isn't necessarily the case as he poisoned himself to not be used against Samson. Maddox "agreed" to it. Who's to say the tranquil Minaeve saved or the ones the Venatori killed to make Occulara wanted to live? As far as I can tell, they only wanted to have a purpose, which since they lack a desire for independence is someone else's command. So if the Tranquil allow themselves to be killed with their blessing to help the Venatori, would it still be wrong to deny them their "free will"? If you saved them, is it still commendable that you had to will them to save themselves? Then there's the fact that tranquility could be an unforeseen horrific fate that cannot be communicated in their tranquil state. Do we believe the Tranquil Karl Thekla who is content in his state or the freed Karl Thekla who desires death over living life in the agony of the tranquil state? Is Minaeve saving the Tranquil or torturing them by denying them a quick end? Are you considering them people if you prefer their castrated state? It's not as morally black and white if you really consider all the implications.
Well, if they stayed with her Circle, she probably did make sure they were fine. If they left with Fiona, they left Viv's care and responsibility.
The game reveals very little, basically nothing, about the mages who remained with Vivienne. We know they were Loyalists (for the most part), but we never meet them. Can't say one way or another about how Viv managed her responsibilities towards them, other than she will go to the front lines if she has them join the Inquisition, and that says something about her leadership.
These topics keep reminding me of how badly designed the whole Mage/Templar choice was designed:
The way the game is structured, when the time to choose comes, you get a Venatori bastion near the Inquisition's HQ, and Templars which are nowhere to be found, unless you use Power on the War table to know that they holed themselves up in a fortress on the outskirts of the Bracilian Forest, on the other side of Ferelden!.
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