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[Wulfram]

The fact that everyone around you has been asleep for the same amount of time would limit the impact. There'd be less real sense that you've actually missed anything - the 400 years would be more of an abstract concept than anything experienced, and in some ways it wouldn't be all that different from going to sleep and waking up in the morning. Unlike Shepard, who wakes up and finds everyone else has got on with their lives.

But the fact that everyone back home is dead (unless you're Asari or Krogan, maybe) would surely be an issue.

[Outsider]

Going to sleep and waking up 600 years later sounds blooming brilliant.

[Linkenski]

It's ridiculous actually, but whatever. 

 

Go to sleep - and your galaxy is burning.

 

Wake up - let's go explore!

I hope they will make it clear that these characters aren't indifferent to the fact that they left a galaxy behind and that for what they know, they might've left it to die.

 

And now that I think of it, sex should be a bigger focus in this game because humans are the new aliens and there's not really THAT many of them anymore, so they need to start reproducing

[Medhia_Nox]

Entire modern cultures built around mental issues and better living through medication... and everyone on here thinks that real tragedy is just something you "deal with".

 

No... these people should be dealing with serious levels of dysphoria.  There would be suicides, PTSD,  paranoia, etc. 

 

Survival is not "dealing" - it's a state of mind where everything shuts down.  If they survive... everything will "turn back on" and the scope of their journey will hit them full bore. 

 

If this had been a generation ship... then, the people on this ship would not suffer from these things.  But these are people that loaded up on a ship to escape the annihilation of their galaxy....

 

Not knowing whether the galaxy destroying cuttlefish would show up would, alone, be the center of these people's worlds. 

 

Not having information about "back home" would be worse. 

 

A generation or two later... and their mental situation should change drastically.  Native born Andromedan humans would be far more stable. 

[shepskisaac]

The fact that the project recruited volonteers rather than forced escape plan will help negate most issues, tho it is a good background for some characters' backstories for sure,I expect it will get explored

[Xilizhra]

Entire modern cultures built around mental issues and better living through medication... and everyone on here thinks that real tragedy is just something you "deal with".

 

No... these people should be dealing with serious levels of dysphoria.  There would be suicides, PTSD,  paranoia, etc. 

 

Survival is not "dealing" - it's a state of mind where everything shuts down.  If they survive... everything will "turn back on" and the scope of their journey will hit them full bore. 

 

If this had been a generation ship... then, the people on this ship would not suffer from these things.  But these are people that loaded up on a ship to escape the annihilation of their galaxy....

 

Not knowing whether the galaxy destroying cuttlefish would show up would, alone, be the center of these people's worlds. 

 

Not having information about "back home" would be worse. 

 

A generation or two later... and their mental situation should change drastically.  Native born Andromedan humans would be far more stable. 

Do we actually know that they were fleeing the Reapers?

[The Elder King]

Do we actually know that they were fleeing the Reapers?

We don't know yet if the expediction starts after the Reapers' arrival in the Milky Way.

[shepskisaac]

Do we actually know that they were fleeing the Reapers?

Based on all the E3 info, it seems much more likely the projct had nothing to do with Reapers (at least publicaly) and launched before they arrived. Earth is in pristine condition in the trailer, with Arks calmy stationed above

[ZipZap2000]

Do we actually know that they were fleeing the Reapers?

Two theories I like atm are: Secret council project, in which case they probably know.

Or: Exploration project. In which case they don't know anything, even if the higher ups do. But that's probably two theories tied into one.


Personally "Explorers Wanted" suggests they have no idea The Reapers are coming.

[shepskisaac]

Two theories I like atm are: Secret council project, in which case they probably know.

Or: Exploration project. In which case they don't know anything, even if the higher ups do. But that's probably two theories tied into one.


Personally "Explorers Wanted" suggests they have no idea The Reapers are coming.

It's perfectly possible the project was a 'civilian' exploration research project on the outside, to the public etc with Council hiding the true motives, but in the end it doesn't matter. It's clear volounteers applied themselves, for various reasons, without any rush to escape Reapers

[ZipZap2000]

It's perfectly possible the project was a 'civilian' exploration research project on the outside, to the public etc with Council hiding the true motives, but in the end it doesn't matter. It's clear volounteers applied themselves, for various reasons, without any rush to escape Reapers

I'm thinking the same. But who's going to invest in something with a minimum 12-1300 years before you even know if its been successful.

Let alone paid itself off and begun generating a profit. There's got to be more to this than that.

[The Elder King]

Based on all the E3 info, it seems much more likely the projct had nothing to do with Reapers (at least publicaly) and launched before they arrived. Earth is in pristine condition in the trailer, with Arks calmy stationed above.

Earth being in pristine condition might be an intentional cover-up made for E3. They shown the mage quest of DAI at E3 two years ago, and they shown Leliana's normal face (as Sera's and Bull's normal faces) to not give away too many spoilers of what happened in that quest. The same thing might happened for the MEA trailer.

[Element Zero]

It's perfectly possible the project was a 'civilian' exploration research project on the outside, to the public etc with Council hiding the true motives, but in the end it doesn't matter. It's clear volounteers applied themselves, for various reasons, without any rush to escape Reapers

Agreed. The question, "What drives a person to volunteer for a mission like this?" came out of Mac's mouth. It sounds to me like this game will not begin with some mad dash to escape the Reapers.

That's a good thing, in my mind. The idea of vessels that large escaping Reapers stretches credulity to its limits. Whatever they've come up with, it's already going to require jumping through some burning hoops. They're continuing an IP that was supposed to end with a trilogy, after all, and no care was taken to preserve the setting for a follow up. We're going to have to cut them some slack in the setup story in some fashion. Still, the peaceful exploratory mission launched "sometime" is easier to swallow than the "holy**** the Reapers are coming escape plan" explanation. Each has its holes, of course.

[shepskisaac]

Earth being in pristine condition might be an intentional cover-up made for E3. They shown the mage quest of DAI at E3 two years ago, and they shown Leliana's normal face (as Sera's and Bull's normal faces) to not give away too many spoilers of what happened in that quest. The same thing might happened for the MEA trailer.

Definitely possible, but a space scene like this would be a bit more complex to change. There's zero rush in the Arks scene, no signs of any battle/Reapers etc. Much larger modification would be needed to "hide" ME3 invasion setting than swapping skin textures

 

I'm thinking the same. But who's going to invest in something with a minimum 12-1300 years before you even know if its been successful.

Let alone paid itself off and begun generating a profit. There's got to be more to this than that.

Thatt's the main reason I doubted "civilian research project" option before this year E3. Compared to just exploring 99% of the unexplored Milky Way, there really is zero economic point in sending the expedition to Andromeda. I would say "yeah there gotta be something more" but looking how much Bioware has been emphasizing "born-explorers inane nature of humanity" in interviews and trailers, I fear it will be the only/main reasoning, we went just 'cause we felt like seeing Andromeda ehhh

[ZipZap2000]

Definitely possible, but a space scene like this would be a bit more complex to change. There's zero rush in the Arks scene, no signs of any battle/Reapers etc. Much larger modification would be needed to "hide" ME3 invasion setting than swapping skin textures

Thatt's the main reason I doubted "civilian research project" option before this year E3. Compared to just exploring 99% of the unexplored Milky Way, there really is zero economic point in sending the expedition to Andromeda. I would say "yeah there gotta be something more" but looking how much Bioware has been emphasizing "born-explorers inane nature of humanity" in interviews and trailers, I fear it will be the only/main reasoning, we went just 'cause we felt like seeing Andromeda ehhh

Hm.

I was actually willing to accept that until the 99% argument was made. Maybe this is something that does the least amount of damage to the existing world.

Even if unimaginative its not exactly a deal breaker.

Anyway we've gone off topic. Let the hand waving commence.

[Gileadan]

So far the entire marketing about the game was about the protagonist and his gang being explorers, not survivors of a burning galaxy with a horde of angry cuttlefish after them. So likely those people are volunteers who have no idea what a reaper is, since reapers weren't a thing on earth until stuff began to explode.

 

So they likely knew they wouldn't be coming home, and also had no idea that their home might get torched right after they left. And once they made their peace with never seeing their home galaxy again, what difference does the length of their cryo-nap really make? Unless they can somehow feel the passing of time in their sleep.

[Sartoz]

I would imagine being asleep for hundreds of years with the full knowledge you were walking into that before it happened would be a bit different than sudden and catastrophic death ... only to wake up 2 years later out of the blue and then realize that everyone else thought you were dead and everything had changed.

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Shep's reconstruction from DNA was a stretch but recreating Shep's memories really was a long one.

 

As to waking up a few actual centuries later... well no drama there. You knew the destination and risks and goals.  You will be kept busy soon enough. Thisk of the new discoveries! ... new species!... a new HOME!!!

[KotorEffect3]

Do we actually know that they were fleeing the Reapers?

To me that is the only motivation for leaving the Milky Way that makes sense.  If they were simply interested in exploring and settling new worlds there is plenty of room in the Milky Way for that.  No reason to make a one way trip that will take centuries.

[Medhia_Nox]

Do we actually know that they were fleeing the Reapers?

 

If they're not fleeing the Reapers and this is just a random exploratory mission when 99% of the Milky Way is left unexplored... then I might actually stop at ME:A cause that's ludicrous. 

 

Why 99%?  I agree, it's actually much higher.  There are billions of stars in the Milky Way... and the only ones we know are mapped are the ones with working Relays.  That's in - from what we're shown - the hundreds.

 

Even if it were in the thousands... that's maddeningly low.  Even tens or hundreds of thousands.  100,000 stars is .01 percent of the Milky Way Galaxy (okay, it's .01 percent of 1,000,000,000 - the Milky Way has an insanely larger number of stars - but I was trying to simplify it) and there is NO indication that many stars are explored in ME.

 

People don't have a scope of size or numbers at all.  There is no "non-emergency" reason that is plausible for exploring the Andromeda.  (There isn't a plausible reason for leaving the Milky Way - but whatever.  At least they established that the Reapers wipe out civs connected with the Citadel.  That gives at least some guideline for them instead of randomly scanning billions of star systems in a week.)

 

It would "sorta" be like skipping the moon and Mars and reaching straight for Alpha Centauri - only, vastly more implausible by degrees.

[Element Zero]

To me that is the only motivation for leaving the Milky Way that makes sense. If they were simply interested in exploring and settling new worlds there is plenty of room in the Milky Way for that. No reason to make a one way trip that will take centuries.

You're right that it doesn't make sense. Neither does the idea that they quietly built these Arks as an escape plan, but we'd never heard of them. It becomes even more difficult to buy into their escaping during the Reaper invasion, as some seem bent on promoting.

No matter which story they choose, there will be some disbelief that we have to willfully swallow with a big glass of water (or ryncol?). They are dealing with a tough situation, in terms of juggling the trilogy while launching this game. There will be plot holes, in the beginning sequence. The major thing is what they do once we are in Andromeda. We're going no matter what, and that's where the real story lies.

Edit: We are also skipping over the obvious fact that the game may include some very clear motivation for choosing Helios Cluster, Andromeda. I have no idea what it might be, but I haven't spent time writing the plot. Given just a modicum of time, I could come up with a scifi story that involved a crazy mission to seek out "X" in Andromeda.

[Monk]

Waking up and realizing 400 years had passed.  I remember in ME 2 Shepard saying he was having hard time wrapping his head around being out just 2 years.  I have a hard time imagining everyone is just going to wake up and act like it's business as usual.  Of course Javik seemed to handle it fine after being out for 50,000 years but Javik is Javik.  We are primitives.

 

Well, to be fair, Javik had freaked out at first but once he had time to process it and was given the option to jump in with Shepard to stop the Reapers, he was ready to jump into the fray again.

 

I think it's going to be difficult to be gone a couple years unexpectedly and have to catch up with all the little changes since. On the other hand, for someone on a mission which involved being asleep for hundreds of years, i imagine they had already been prepared. Though, obviously, they might think of old friends and family on occasion.

[Maia]

is it possible to put food in stasis so it never rots?

[AlanC9]

is it possible to put food in stasis so it never rots?

If you can put a human in stasis, you can put a cow in stasis too.

[AlanC9]

Definitely possible, but a space scene like this would be a bit more complex to change. There's zero rush in the Arks scene, no signs of any battle/Reapers etc. Much larger modification would be needed to "hide" ME3 invasion setting than swapping skin textures
 

If we saw a battle, the Arks would be toast anyway-- the Reapers are going to shoot stuff that can run away before they shoot stuff that can't, so they'd start by blowing up ships. And the Alliance did have some warning.of the Reapers' approach.

I'm betting that what we're seeing in the opening is a launch-on-warning scenario, with the Reapers still some hours out.

[Monk]

If we saw a battle, the Arks would be toast anyway-- the Reapers are going to shoot stuff that can run away before they shoot stuff that can't, so they'd start by blowing up ships. And the Alliance did have some warning.of the Reapers' approach.

I'm betting that what we're seeing in the opening is a launch-on-warning scenario, with the Reapers still some hours out.

 

Actually, if i remember the beginning of ME3 correctly, no one had any warning what's so ever. It was talk-talk-talk-we're being invaded! It's more likely they started preparation with the Arks as soon as they got the warning in ME2 and launched ASAP, based on estimations from the closest batch of dark space which could hold an armada of reapers without being detected.