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[KotorEffect3]

You're right that it doesn't make sense. Neither does the idea that they quietly built these Arks as an escape plan, but we'd never heard of them. It becomes even more difficult to buy into their escaping during the Reaper invasion, as some seem bent on promoting.

No matter which story they choose, there will be some disbelief that we have to willfully swallow with a big glass of water (or ryncol?). They are dealing with a tough situation, in terms of juggling the trilogy while launching this game. There will be plot holes, in the beginning sequence. The major thing is what they do once we are in Andromeda. We're going no matter what, and that's where the real story lies.

Edit: We are also skipping over the obvious fact that the game may include some very clear motivation for choosing Helios Cluster, Andromeda. I have no idea what it might be, but I haven't spent time writing the plot. Given just a modicum of time, I could come up with a scifi story that involved a crazy mission to seek out "X" in Andromeda.

I am just curious about how the whole leaving the Milky Way scenario will be handled.  My guess is it will be between ME 2 and before the start of ME 3.  Maybe around the time arrival happens.  Some people were starting to believe Shepard after all.  We know that at least some in the Alliance believed him.  But either way I will accept whatever scenario they come with because the real story and real game starts when we hit Andromeda anyway.  It reminds me of the whole Cerberus bringing Shepard back in ME 2 thing.  Some people got real hung up on it and some people like me didn't care.  I pretty much said "works for me" then went along my merry way incinerating Vorcha on Omega.

[TheJediSaint]

I think sleeping through the ending of ME3 would be a good thing.

[Element Zero]

I am just curious about how the whole leaving the Milky Way scenario will be handled. My guess is it will be between ME 2 and before the start of ME 3. Maybe around the time arrival happens. Some people were starting to believe Shepard after all. We know that at least some in the Alliance believed him. But either way I will accept whatever scenario they come with because the real story and real game starts when we hit Andromeda anyway. It reminds me of the whole Cerberus bringing Shepard back in ME 2 thing. Some people got real hung up on it and some people like me didn't care. I pretty much said "works for me" then went along my merry way incinerating Vorcha on Omega.

Yeah, the Lazarus Project is a good example. I thought it was ridiculous when I first experienced it. There was nothing I could do, though, so I never gave it a second thought. I chose to swallow the BS, basically, because I wanted to enjoy the game. (Same with those endings, too.)

I'm prepared for a bit of creative BS to start Andromeda. I just don't see how they can come up with something that isn't full of it. I'll be very impressed if they do, but I'm ready to cut them some slack to launch the new story.

Edit: had to edit in the quote

[katamuro]

It wouldn't be the same. 

First of all they would know that they are going into cryo and approximately for how long. 

Second no one has said how many years yet, but considering the ship and shuttle designs are really similar to the ME1-3 period I wouldn't think it's too much time(at least the departure)

Third Shepard had trouble because he died, it was traumatic and sudden. 

[Element Zero]

It wouldn't be the same.
First of all they would know that they are going into cryo and approximately for how long.
Second no one has said how many years yet, but considering the ship and shuttle designs are really similar to the ME1-3 period I wouldn't think it's too much time(at least the departure)
Third Shepard had trouble because he died, it was traumatic and sudden.

I also consider the selection process for a program like this. Can you imagine the psych work up they'd do? This would not be the mission for people that need to sit and process their feelings all the time. The screening process would no doubt be designed to "weed out" those who can't handle adversity and move forward rapidly. The "awakening" should be less than a speed bump, really, at least initially. Hell, it's a welcome thing. Later, it's something you ponder while in your bunk, or over coffee with your friends.

[AlanC9]

Actually, if i remember the beginning of ME3 correctly, no one had any warning what's so ever. It was talk-talk-talk-we're being invaded!

The reason that they're having that meeting is that the incoming Reapers have already been sighted. Hackett and Anderson have a conversation about this during the opening cinematic, before we see Shepard.

Anderson: Is this what Shepard warned us about?

Hackett: I'd stake my life on it.

Anderson: How long do we have?

Hackett: Not long. I've sent word. The fleets are mobilizing.

The Defense Committee may not believe it's the Reapers, but they do.

Note that when this conversation happens the cinematic shows a scene some hours after the shuttle departure in the ME:A trailer. This is apparently happening some hours before Shepard and Anderson's first conversation and the Reaper arrival at Earth, since it looks like it's about dawn on the west coast of North America, and that conversation happens somewhat later in the day.

[Monk]

The reason that they're having that meeting is that the incoming Reapers have already been sighted. Hackett and Anderson have a conversation about this during the opening cinematic, before we see Shepard.

Anderson: Is this what Shepard warned us about?

Hackett: I'd stake my life on it.

Anderson: How long do we have?

Hackett: Not long. I've sent word. The fleets are mobilizing.

The Defense Committee may not believe it's the Reapers, but they do.

Note that when this conversation happens the cinematic shows a scene some hours after the shuttle departure in the ME:A trailer. This is apparently happening some hours before Shepard and Anderson's first conversation and the Reaper arrival at Earth, since it looks like it's about dawn on the west coast of North America, and that conversation happens somewhat later in the day.

 

Okay, i've reviewed the intro cinematics and the N7 Day video.

 

I forgot about why the meeting took place but i wouldn't put those two on the same day. After Hackett had talked to Anderson and Vega got Shepard, the base Shepard was at was just beginning to scramble so this puts all those conversations with a couple minutes of one another. Maybe ten minutes later, as Shepard's talking to the Defense Council, the invasion on Earth started.

 

Also, when the "footage" from an Ark was showing, no ships were surrounding Earth. This, of course, could simply be an oversight of who did the cinematics for the N7 video because, unless those ships were on the other side of Earth when the Ark left, the cinematic crew completely forgot about including them to tie-in with the invasion during the beginning of ME3. _This is if the Ark left during the timeframe of ME3. If they left before, it would be sometime between ME2 and 3, which i suggest.

[Element Zero]

The reason that they're having that meeting is that the incoming Reapers have already been sighted. Hackett and Anderson have a conversation about this during the opening cinematic, before we see Shepard.Anderson: Is this what Shepard warned us about?Hackett: I'd stake my life on it.Anderson: How long do we have?Hackett: Not long. I've sent word. The fleets are mobilizing.The Defense Committee may not believe it's the Reapers, but they do.Note that when this conversation happens the cinematic shows a scene some hours after the shuttle departure in the ME:A trailer. This is apparently happening some hours before Shepard and Anderson's first conversation and the Reaper arrival at Earth, since it looks like it's about dawn on the west coast of North America, and that conversation happens somewhat later in the day.

Good eyes on the solar terminator bit. I never paid that much attention. I assumed we were listening to a conversation "out of time", just as in the openings of ME and ME2, but you really nailed that down!

[katamuro]

I also consider the selection process for a program like this. Can you imagine the psych work up they'd do? This would not be the mission for people that need to sit and process their feelings all the time. The screening process would no doubt be designed to "weed out" those who can't handle adversity and move forward rapidly. The "awakening" should be less than a speed bump, really, at least initially. Hell, it's a welcome thing. Later, it's something you ponder while in your bunk, or over coffee with your friends.

Exactly, it would be as strict as the current selection for astronauts or the selection for men to serve on a nuclear missile submarine during the cold war. They had to be able to stay under for months at a time in very cramped quarters and still function effectively. 

Plus the kind of people who sign up to go to another galaxy and willingly cut off themselves from the rest of humanity for all time would usually be the kind of people able to handle that kind of thing. 

[AlanC9]

Okay, i've reviewed the intro cinematics and the N7 Day video.
 
I forgot about why the meeting took place but i wouldn't put those two on the same day. After Hackett had talked to Anderson and Vega got Shepard, the base Shepard was at was just beginning to scramble so this puts all those conversations with a couple minutes of one another. Maybe ten minutes later, as Shepard's talking to the Defense Council, the invasion on Earth started.

That conclusion is not really based on evidence, and ignores the cinematic. It's OK to go with it anyway -- the different sun position in the cinematic could just be a mistake, sure -- but if Bio doesn't back you, you won't have much of a case for calling this a retcon.
 

Also, when the "footage" from an Ark was showing, no ships were surrounding Earth. This, of course, could simply be an oversight of who did the cinematics for the N7 video because, unless those ships were on the other side of Earth when the Ark left, the cinematic crew completely forgot about including them to tie-in with the invasion during the beginning of ME3. _This is if the Ark left during the timeframe of ME3. If they left before, it would be sometime between ME2 and 3, which i suggest.

I wouldn't use the N7 day footage as proof of anything. It's not going to make it into the game.

[Monk]

That conclusion is not really based on evidence, and ignores the cinematic. It's OK to go with it anyway -- the different sun position in the cinematic could just be a mistake, sure -- but if Bio doesn't back you, you won't have much of a case for calling this a retcon. …

 

... Well, geography isn't my strong suit so if i'm off on the time, oh wells.

 

 

… I wouldn't use the N7 day footage as proof of anything. It's not going to make it into the game.

 

Huh. What video were you comparing against? The vid from N7 day seemed CGI'd enough to be worth reusing but then again, that was pretty long ago.

[ZipZap2000]

If they're not fleeing the Reapers and this is just a random exploratory mission when 99% of the Milky Way is left unexplored... then I might actually stop at ME:A cause that's ludicrous.

It would "sorta" be like skipping the moon and Mars and reaching straight for Alpha Centauri - only, vastly more implausible by degrees.

I agree but I'd still give it a chance first.

Provided the explanation isn't another catalyst moment I'll probably hand wave it off myself.

[ZipZap2000]

... Well, geography isn't my strong suit so if i'm off on the time, oh wells.




Huh. What video were you comparing against? The vid from N7 day seemed CGI'd enough to be worth reusing but then again, that was pretty long ago.

Bio already said the N7 video is a final goodbye from Shepard and nothing more. Its a tribute video allowing Shepard to pass the torch.

"You are that explorer now."

"This is Commander Shepard, signing off."

Its Bio retiring the old protag.

[SKAR]

Sure. But they volunteered. They knew what they were signing on for. Surprise? sure. PTSD? Who knows.