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[The Elder King]

Well ditching Ash to get with Miranda for her body isn't right. The right choice is ditching Ash to get with Tali for her body and because she's adorable.
 
but in general Garrus is a better space bro than romantic interest.

The right choice was going for nobody in what I've decided to be my canon and the going for Miranda .
I never romanced Tali. She's one of my favourite characters, and in my Canon she's one of my Shep best friends, but no matter the character I roleplay she always gives me the younger sister vibe. Except in playthroughs where my Shep is racist, but I wouldn't romance her in those.

[BloodyMares]

I never romanced Tali. She's one of my favourite characters, and in my Canon she's one of my Shep best friends, but no matter the character I roleplay she always gives me the younger sister vibe. Except in playthroughs where my Shep is racist, but I wouldn't romance her in those.

Cute little sister that has insestuous feelings to her elder brother 

[The Elder King]

Cute little sister that has insestuous feelings to her elder brother 

Eh, not my type
Not that I think there's something wrong in romancing Tali. It's just how my Sheps generally see her. The same happened with Merril.

[aoibhealfae]

All these people who want someone for their body and not for personality. So what if garrus is a velociraptor man. He is a great character who knows how to calibrate gun. He had more character. He is a real man. I would want to be someone like Garrus. boss. Oh but when a man is particularly fond of a woman's looks over another everybody loses their minds. We're all hypocrites here. Can't just appreciate someone for their body alone. Garrus was there all the way. I felt kaidan felt kind of dull. Just my opinion. I don't care. I let him die to get with Ashley. And sure I wanted Miranda for her body but I didn't do it. sure when it came to aliens ash was kind of bogus but Miranda seemed to full of herself.

 

Since when did I say I like Kaidan for his body. FemShep is not an extension of me. Learn to separate that for once. And FemShep have been through hell and why does it offends that she need someone who is not reckless, who never demand any favors from her, who is an equal in rank, who is sensible, who took care of her and make her happy? And Kaidan is an active-duty military personnel who have a military division under his command... you think he can't calibrate his own gun? 

 

Garrus is the kind of guy who like to sit at the couch and expect you to do everything to make him happy and to fix all of his mistakes because he can't do it himself and as a reward he would praise you for the stuff you do for him. He's also the kind of guy who make the neighbourhood gangsters pissed off and start a war for the sake of violence. Idiots like him, get his loved ones killed. Do you want to use the same "I have character" and "I am a real man" over their bullet-ridden corpses?

If you want to shape yourself to this is your kind of ideal man, that is really up to you.

 

And I'm still not sorry that I left your Ashley to die on Virmire. She would have die on Eden Prime anyway and I have saved her life once and I'm in under no obligation to save her life again. 

 

And real talk; women, me, my FemShep, value guys who can stare into our eyes without flinching or looking away and say "I love you". Try it sometimes. If you get laid, I'm giving an advance thumbs up and credit it to Kaidan Alenko and his writer and animators,

[The Dystopian Hound]

Since when did I say I like Kaidan for his body. FemShep is not an extension of me. Learn to separate that for once. And FemShep have been through hell and why does it offends that she need someone who is not reckless, who never demand any favors from her, who is an equal in rank, who is sensible, who took care of her and make her happy? And Kaidan is an active-duty military personnel who have a military division under his command... you think he can't calibrate his own gun?

Garrus is the kind of guy who like to sit at the couch and expect you to do everything to make him happy and to fix all of his mistakes because he can't do it himself and as a reward he would praise you for the stuff you do for him. He's also the kind of guy who make the neighbourhood gangsters pissed off and start a war for the sake of violence. Idiots like him, get his loved ones killed. Do you want to use the same "I have character" and "I am a real man" over their bullet-ridden corpses?

If you want to shape yourself to this is your kind of ideal man, that is really up to you.

And I'm still not sorry that I left your Ashley to die on Virmire. She would have die on Eden Prime anyway and I have saved her life once and I'm in under no obligation to save her life again.

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And real talk; women, me, my FemShep, value guys who can stare into our eyes without flinching or looking away and say "I love you". Try it sometimes. If you get laid, I'm giving an advance thumbs up.

Alrighty then. So Garrus protects the innocents of Omega from the the mercs, he's effective and you think badly of him? He fights for justice. For good of the people. Good talk.

[gabdalla92]

i dont think me will be "witcherized" now. Specially because bioware is a cool company that always promoted gender equallity; so if theyre showing a girl's flower, theyll have to show a dude's junk and that possibly will turn away players

[aphelion4]

If they show vulva, they should show penis. Otherwise I don't care. Sex scene or fade to black doesn't bother me, just no underwear sex or clothed shower scenes, jfc. Unnecessary amounts of female nudity like in GoT (where they appear to have a nudity quota they must hit) with the occasional male nude thrown in is what I have issue with.

[iM3GTR]

I could care less about a person's appearance. I agree with Kelly Chambers: "Character matters, not race or gender.".

There should've been an option in ME2 to say "And you call yourself Cerberus! Shame on you ."

[Seraphim24]

Feel free to continue on that topic guys I'm interested I wanted to ask a different question though also if someone wants to answer

 

What do you guys think about bisexual sex scenes? How do you communicate this person is bisexual instead of simply gay or lesbian? Or even just someone that identifies as primarily gay with only occasional hetero encounters, you know, like fiercely bisexual.

[Cyonan]

Feel free to continue on that topic guys I'm interested I wanted to ask a different question though also if someone wants to answer

 

What do you guys think about bisexual sex scenes? How do you communicate this person is bisexual instead of simply gay or lesbian? Or even just someone that identifies as primarily gay with only occasional hetero encounters, you know, like fiercely bisexual.

 

Since the sex scene is between two people, there's no need to communicate their entire array of sexual preferences.

 

Especially if we want to play the mature card for why this stuff should be in the game, the sex scene shouldn't really be about what genitals the person is interested in.

[Seraphim24]

Since the sex scene is between two people, there's no need to communicate their entire array of sexual preferences.

 

Especially if we want to play the mature card for why this stuff should be in the game, the sex scene shouldn't really be about what genitals the person is interested in.

 

There isn't any need, of course,  was just wondering if it's likely some differences would be communicated.

[aoibhealfae]

Alrighty then. So Garrus protects the innocents of Omega from the the mercs, he's effective and you think badly of him? He fights for justice. For good of the people. Good talk.

 

You want to know who have that same mentality?

 

Terrorists. 

Self-righteous assholes who think they're doing the world a big favor for cleansing the world and its people by justifying violence for their cause. They also think they're good people fighting for the right reasons. That's how delusions of grandeur work. They also think the world is against them for some reasons, and that existing rules and regulations do not apply to them anymore because they have their own brand new set of law and order. They also think they fight for justice and for the good of their people. And if innocent people were killed, its accepted casualty. 

Garrus thought he was doing the right thing being Omega cleaner and scaring the bad guys away but it never occur to him that he was the bad guy. Everyone who wanted Garrus dead are also justified. Garrus didn't just mess up their operations. The leader of Eclipse want Garrus dead because Garrus killed his brother. The leader of Blood Pack and Blue Suns want Garrus dead because he tried to kill them for no reason. And their deaths accomplish nothing to these organization except creating a power vacuum on Omega which allowing Talons taking over and Cerberus to infiltrate easily and the gang itself found someone new to replace them. And Sidonis was his friend and he was physically and mentally tortured to reveal their base... and Garrus simply want to put a bullet in his head without even talking to him or investigate whether it was the truth. He just want payback to make himself better because he couldn't stand that it was directly his fault that everyone died.

And did regular Omega people worship Garrus in ME2 even in Omega DLC? Let me answer this for you : Zero. 

 

So tell me again what brand of justice that Garrus adhere to when he wasn't sure about it himself that he needed Shepard as is moral compass. 

[Cyonan]

There isn't any need, of course,  was just wondering if it's likely some differences would be communicated.

 

I don't even really see how you would communicate it without it coming off as forced for the sake of letting everybody know that person is bi which I would rather not see.

 

I mean if you have femshep romancing Kaiden and they're the only two in the scene, how do you even show that Kaiden is also into dudes?

[The Elder King]

You want to know who have that same mentality?

 

Terrorists. 

Self-righteous assholes who think they're doing the world a big favor for cleansing the world and its people by justifying violence for their cause. They also think they're good people fighting for the right reasons. That's how delusions of grandeur work. They also think the world is against them for some reasons, and that existing rules and regulations do not apply to them anymore because they have their own brand new set of law and order. They also think they fight for justice and for the good of their people. And if innocent people were killed, its accepted casualty. 

Garrus thought he was doing the right thing being Omega cleaner and scaring the bad guys away but it never occur to him that he was the bad guy. Everyone who wanted Garrus dead are also justified. Garrus didn't just mess up their operations. The leader of Eclipse want Garrus dead because Garrus killed his brother. The leader of Blood Pack and Blue Suns want Garrus dead because he tried to kill them for no reason. And their deaths accomplish nothing to these organization except creating a power vacuum on Omega which allowing Talons taking over and Cerberus to infiltrate easily and the gang itself found someone new to replace them. And Sidonis was his friend and he was physically and mentally tortured to reveal their base... and Garrus simply want to put a bullet in his head without even talking to him or investigate whether it was the truth. He just want payback to make himself better because he couldn't stand that it was directly his fault that everyone died.

And did regular Omega people worship Garrus in ME2 even in Omega DLC? Let me answer this for you : Zero. 

 

So tell me again what brand of justice that Garrus adhere to when he wasn't sure about it himself that he needed Shepard as is moral compass. 

About Sidonis, I do agree that he should've investigate first, but it's easy to say that when the thing didn't happen to you. Even without going with real life examples, in DAO I never let Loghain live when I roleplay elven characters, because of his deal with Tevinter on selling elves as slaves. Or putting Bhelen to the throne as a noble dwarf. The events my characters suffered shape their decisions later on. The same goes for Garrus. While my Shepard wanted to stop him and listen to Sidonis' version, I don't condemn him for what he wanted to do.

Also, it's not his fault what happened to his squad. Regardless of the opinion on his stint on Omega, he didn't force anybody to join his squad. They all volunteer.

I really like Garrus, but I do recognize his flaws. You seem howewer to go in the opposite direction of Hound. And it should be nothed that Omega isn't exactly a normal place to live. The whole station is controlled by criminals. Innocent people don't really have someone who protect them from criminals. Omega has no law or regulations, so the comparison you made isn't exactly accurate.

Garrus was certainly naive in thinking that he could change Omega, but it wasn't a bad thing either. The location should be taken into account when judging his actions. It's not like he started being a vigilant on the Citadel, where there are organization that fight (not in a efficient way) crime.

 

 

I'm kind of curious to see your opinion on Batman/superheroes in general.

[aoibhealfae]

Feel free to continue on that topic guys I'm interested I wanted to ask a different question though also if someone wants to answer

 

What do you guys think about bisexual sex scenes? How do you communicate this person is bisexual instead of simply gay or lesbian? Or even just someone that identifies as primarily gay with only occasional hetero encounters, you know, like fiercely bisexual.

 

I do actually like Zevran's sex scene more and Isabella was appealing whenever I play with both Hawke. But I think there's a lot of discussion on how bisexuals don't like how Bioware portray these character with promiscuity. Sexual independence, preference and availability are very different thing. I don't play DAI so I'm not sure about either Iron Bull or Josephine.

 

Somehow I do like talking and flirting with Kelly as FemShep although the whole dance at the end was cringe-inducing. The girl is badly traumatized and the next thing she was shaking her booty with a cut outs spandex. However, the way she carries herself and expressing her sexuality is intriguing.

 

I'm still hesitant about Kaidan's bisexuality. I mostly begrudge that Kaidan's attraction to ME3 BroShep was added as an afterthought. I know that a lot of people were really happy about it but there's really not much difference than his romance with FemShep except for a couple of unique lines and an earlier fadeout. Compared to the way they did for Cortez, it was disappointing that Kaidan and BroShep didn't get their own unique scenes or a proper date scene since it sits on FemShep romance arc where she and Kaidan merely reaffirming their commitment to each other. Not even a single kiss was shared until the end of the game! Even Sbarge and Meer barely talk about their romance either (double awkwardness) and merely acknowledge that they're doing for their fans. Heck, I could have survived it if unromanced Kaidan eventually fell for Engineer Adams. Then again, Bioware isn't that stellar with writing consistencies.

[BloodyMares]

 

I'm kind of curious to see your opinion on Batman/superheroes in general.

Superheroes and Batman don't kill. Garrus kills all the time. So he is more of a Punisher character.

[Iakus]

Superheroes and Batman don't kill. Garrus kills all the time. So he is more of a Punisher character.

Or Zack Snyder's vision of Batman...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Superheroes and Batman don't kill. Garrus kills all the time.

Plus Superheroes only go after villains as they are committing the crimes.

Garrus tries to murder his enemies when even they aren't doing anything evil, like when they are just at their home. 

[BloodyMares]

Or Zack Snyder's vision of Batman...

No spoilers please.

[The Elder King]

To be fair, Bioware considered a male Kaidan romance in ME as well, but they decided to not follow through until ME3.

[The Elder King]

Superheroes and Batman don't kill. Garrus kills all the time. So he is more of a Punisher character.

 

 

Plus Superheroes only go after villains as they are committing the crimes.

Garrus tries to murder his enemies when even they aren't doing anything evil, like when they are just at their home. 

Fair enough on the first thing. 

 

On the latter, I don't justify Garrus for this, since he do go as far as he can to kill criminal excpet putting civilians in dangers, but Omega isn't the same as normal cities or the Citadel.

[The Elder King]

Superheroes and Batman don't kill. Garrus kills all the time. So he is more of a Punisher character.

 

 

Plus Superheroes only go after villains as they are committing the crimes.

Garrus tries to murder his enemies when even they aren't doing anything evil, like when they are just at their home. 

Fair enough on the first thing. Arrow through the first season of the TV show is another example as well.

On the latter, I don't justify Garrus for this, since he do go as far as he can to kill criminal excpet putting civilians in dangers, but Omega isn't the same as normal cities or the Citadel.

[BloodyMares]

Plus Superheroes only go after villains as they are committing the crimes.

Garrus tries to murder his enemies when even they aren't doing anything evil, like when they are just at their home. 

And he doesn't really care about the innocent people. He doesn't help or rescue them. He just wants to wage war against criminals.

[The Elder King]

And he doesn't really care about the innocent people. He doesn't help or rescue them. He just wants to wage war against criminals.

That's partially incorrect. 

The fact that he doesn't help them is true (I don't know if he never rescued anyone on Omega, even by accident on his mission). But he does care. Otherwise he wouldn't care if some of them would be caught in the crossfire, or would steal from them.

[Maia]

You want to know who have that same mentality?

 

Terrorists. 

Self-righteous assholes who think they're doing the world a big favor for cleansing the world and its people by justifying violence for their cause. They also think they're good people fighting for the right reasons. That's how delusions of grandeur work. They also think the world is against them for some reasons, and that existing rules and regulations do not apply to them anymore because they have their own brand new set of law and order. They also think they fight for justice and for the good of their people. And if innocent people were killed, its accepted casualty. 

Garrus thought he was doing the right thing being Omega cleaner and scaring the bad guys away but it never occur to him that he was the bad guy. Everyone who wanted Garrus dead are also justified. Garrus didn't just mess up their operations. The leader of Eclipse want Garrus dead because Garrus killed his brother. The leader of Blood Pack and Blue Suns want Garrus dead because he tried to kill them for no reason. And their deaths accomplish nothing to these organization except creating a power vacuum on Omega which allowing Talons taking over and Cerberus to infiltrate easily and the gang itself found someone new to replace them. And Sidonis was his friend and he was physically and mentally tortured to reveal their base... and Garrus simply want to put a bullet in his head without even talking to him or investigate whether it was the truth. He just want payback to make himself better because he couldn't stand that it was directly his fault that everyone died.

And did regular Omega people worship Garrus in ME2 even in Omega DLC? Let me answer this for you : Zero. 

 

So tell me again what brand of justice that Garrus adhere to when he wasn't sure about it himself that he needed Shepard as is moral compass. 

Sidonis didnt get tortured at all, he set Garrus up without much fuss really