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[aoibhealfae]

About Sidonis, I do agree that he should've investigate first, but it's easy to say that when the thing didn't happen to you. Even without going with real life examples, in DAO I never let Loghain live when I roleplay elven characters, because of his deal with Tevinter on selling elves as slaves. Or putting Bhelen to the throne as a noble dwarf. The events my characters suffered shape their decisions later on. The same goes for Garrus. While my Shepard wanted to stop him and listen to Sidonis' version, I don't condemn him for what he wanted to do.

Also, it's not his fault what happened to his squad. Regardless of the opinion on his stint on Omega, he didn't force anybody to join his squad. They all volunteer.

I really like Garrus, but I do recognize his flaws. You seem howewer to go in the opposite direction of Hound. And it should be nothed that Omega isn't exactly a normal place to live. The whole station is controlled by criminals. Innocent people don't really have someone who protect them from criminals. Omega has no law or regulations, so the comparison you made isn't exactly accurate.

Garrus was certainly naive in thinking that he could change Omega, but it wasn't a bad thing either. The location should be taken into account when judging his actions. It's not like he started being a vigilant on the Citadel, where there are organization that fight (not in a efficient way) crime.

 

 

I'm kind of curious to see your opinion on Batman/superheroes in general.

 

 

Omega is not perfect but it is the middle ground and sanctuary for those who never truly belong in any society in either Council space or Terminus system. There's these place in our society either and what right do we have to just cleanse them out because they don't fit with our norms.

Garrus was born on Palaven. His parents have close relationship with the Primarch. He grew up and manage to get a respected job at the heart of the civilized space. But it wasn't enough and suddenly he have a midlife crisis and wanted an easy way out and rebel against his father's wishes. He's not a patron saint, he's a flawed guy but one who doesn't have the foresight or control over his recklessness. 

And he admit himself in his comic. He knew his people was thinking of life outside his little group and he wasn't having any of it. He pushed his squad into more of his mad schemes and dig their own graves. Upon resolution of his problems, he didn't ruminate at all, he treat it like he was doing a favor for you when you're the one who talk him out of it. He's that blind to his own faults that there's simply no way to explore this or Shepard to have a voice being upfront about it. I like Garrus initially but I do not worship him. The more people glorify his character, the more I saw holes in his writing. He was very thinly written as the most intention was given to service his fans most. And its really annoying when you realize the last time Shepard could openly be argumentative to Garrus was in ME1, something that was shared with Liara. You can shoot Wrex, Mordin, Kaidan, Ashley and kill Legion or let Tali die but to even disagree with these fan favourites... no bleeding way, fear the fandom's pitchforks!

 

I am raised by mecha anime and manga rather than american comic books. Much of Japanese shows especially dealing with militarism, like Gundam or Macross, have themes that heavily emphasis on how violence begets violence, suffering, pacifism. So I was never raised with very normalized idea that violence justify every means or being pro-gun either. However, as a kid, I do love the Tim Burton movie with the Penguin. Also my kind of superhero was more like Sailor Moon, Sun Wukong, Hang Tuah and Ultraman. Please do Google.

[BloodyMares]

That's partially incorrect. 

The fact that he doesn't help them is true (I don't know if he never rescued anyone on Omega, even by accident on his mission). But he does care. Otherwise he wouldn't care if some of them would be caught in the crossfire, or would steal from them.

Okay, he cares very little. He is self-righteous enough to avoid killing them in the crossfire but if some mercenary group would take hostages, he would sacrifice them if that was the only option to take down the mercs.

[The Elder King]

Omega is not perfect but it is the middle ground and sanctuary for those who never truly belong in any society in either Council space or Terminus system. There's these place in our society either and what right do we have to just cleanse them out because they don't fit with our norms.

Garrus was born on Palaven. His parents have close relationship with the Primarch. He grew up and manage to get a respected job at the heart of the civilized space. But it wasn't enough and suddenly he have a midlife crisis and wanted an easy way out and rebel against his father's wishes. He's not a patron saint, he's a flawed guy but one who doesn't have the foresight or control over his recklessness. 

And he admit himself in his comic. He knew his people was thinking of life outside his little group and he wasn't having any of it. He pushed his squad into more of his mad schemes and dig their own graves. Upon resolution of his problems, he didn't ruminate at all, he treat it like he was doing a favor for you when you're the one who talk him out of it. He's that blind to his own faults that there's simply no way to explore this or Shepard to have a voice being upfront about it. I like Garrus initially but I do not worship him. The more people glorify his character, the more I saw holes in his writing. He was very thinly written as the most intention was given to service his fans most. And its really annoying when you realize the last time Shepard could openly be argumentative to Garrus was in ME1, something that was shared with Liara. You can shoot Wrex, Mordin, Kaidan, Ashley and kill Legion or let Tali die but to even disagree with these fan favourites... no bleeding way, fear the fandom's pitchforks!

 

I am raised by mecha anime and manga rather than american comic books. Much of Japanese shows especially dealing with militarism, like Gundam or Macross, have themes that heavily emphasis on how violence begets violence, suffering, pacifism. So I was never raised with very normalized idea that violence justify every means or being pro-gun either. However, as a kid, I do love the Tim Burton movie with the Penguin. Also my kind of superhero was more like Sailor Moon, Sun Wukong, Hang Tuah and Ultraman. Please do Google.

Omega isn't really the middle ground on anything though. Is a cesspool of violence, death and criminality. There is no norms, no rule, no regulation. If criminals are free to go there and do whatever they want, Garrus is free to go there and fight them.

I do agree on Garrus being flawed, though I don't think it was just a midlife crysis and going against his father. It was more about C-Sec and how inefficient they are. 

[aoibhealfae]

Sidonis didnt get tortured at all, he set Garrus up without much fuss really

 

Really?

 

Garrus actually did the classic victim blaming. That's what he always does; transfer blame into others rather than accepting responsibility for all his actions. That's really plain as day even in the trilogy.

[The Elder King]

Okay, he cares very little. He is self-righteous enough to avoid killing them in the crossfire but if some mercenary group would take hostages, he would sacrifice them if that was the only option to take down the mercs.

I don't think he'd necessarily do that, though he's not against sacrifices.

I do think he cares about people, and not little. Even if his idea was based on his own personal problems with regulations and laws, he did go to Omega to help people, in his own way. And he joined C-Sec for the same reason. 

[The Elder King]

Really?

 

Garrus actually did the classic victim blaming. That's what he always does; transfer blame into others rather than accepting responsibility for all his actions. That's really plain as day even in the trilogy.

Again, he couldn't know that he was tortured, based on the information he had. He should've investigated more, but people in determinate situations doesn't think normally. He was furious for the betrayal, and the death of his squad.

And you're wrong. He did think it was his fault. He thought Sidonis was at fault as well.

[BloodyMares]

Okay, this is getting off-topic.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't think he'd necessarily do that, though he's not against sacrifices.

I do think he cares about people, and not little. Even if his idea was based on his own personal problems with regulations and laws, he did go to Omega to help people, in his own way. And he joined C-Sec for the same reason. 

We know he would do that. He told us as much. He was willing to kill the hostages Dr. Saleon took in order to stop him from escaping. And that was when Garrus was still with C-Sec, before he became Archangel. 

[iM3GTR]

Really?

I feel bad for Sidonis after seeing this. The bit where he explains how terrible he feels in ME2 makes my sympathise with him a little.

[The Elder King]

We know he would do that. He told us as much. He was willing to kill the hostages Dr. Saleon took in order to stop him from escaping. And that was when Garrus was still with C-Sec, before he became Archangel. 

You can influence him there though.

I do agree though with BloodyMares that we're getting off-topic.

[aoibhealfae]

Omega isn't really the middle ground on anything though. Is a cesspool of violence, death and criminality. There is no norms, no rule, no regulation. If criminals are free to go there and do whatever they want, Garrus is free to go there and fight them.

I do agree on Garrus being flawed, though I don't think it was just a midlife crysis and going against his father. It was more about C-Sec and how inefficient they are. 

 

There's only one rule on Omega... you don't f with Aria. 

 

I'm not contesting whether Garrus is free to go wherever he want to go even in a criminal haven but I'm also pointing out that these cesspool of scums and villainy also have every right to defend themselves and fight off a foreign know-it-all who threatened their families and livelihood. They have no beef against Garrus, he's a self-righteous stranger who want to inflict his own democracy on foreign space that he knew nothing about.

 

Also, there's a reaper invasion in coming and he decide its time to play space judge dredd? He could just talk to his father and Uncle Fedorian about trusting Shepard's warning and Sovereign but noo....

 

 

Again, he couldn't know that he was tortured, based on the information he had. He should've investigated more, but people in determinate situations doesn't think normally. He was furious for the betrayal, and the death of his squad.

And you're wrong. He did think it was his fault. He thought Sidonis was at fault as well.

 

If you want to say "you're wrong", that Garrus come into conclusion that Sidonis is this evil guy... this was written by Mac Walters and John Dombrow themselves. Also the same people who wrote Garrus and his arcs in the trilogy.

 

And I do remember Garrus saying that he deserve to die for what he did and what exactly? For running away from scary people who tried to choke him to his death and killed his friends? He is an innocent and Garrus the defender of 'innocence' was ready to put a bullet through his head. What if he's a girl instead? What if its Nyreen instead of Sidonis. Would it stop him to think it through?

 

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Also sorry for the off-topic. Not baiting anymore. Totally leaving.

[Gannayev of Dreams]

I'm indifferent. Whatever level they go with is fine by me. There is no shortage of nudity elsewhere.

[Seraphim24]

I'm totally ok with OT though, I don't know if Bioware is but if people get involved in a convo it's usually interesting.