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[DarthLaxian]

What is going on? Multi-Quote seems to be broken!

 

Well, I'll write it again without the quotes:

 

It might be a good thing to finally push the boundaries (if done right any game that goes the final step would be an instant classic - just like say literature by the Marquise de Sade or something like "My Secret Sex Life"), so no:

 

It would not be "the right thing to do" to shy away from that and let the prudes (and the media, not to mention the people rating your game) tell you how far you can/should go!

 

The person with the "didn't like the orgasm sounds in the Witcher":

 

Stop being such a prude (sex includes orgasms and those are quite vocal for most people - you aren't silent during those, especially women can get rather loud, but even men make sounds!)

 

=> All in all: Go all the way, show "it" (genitalia) where it's natural that you might see it (sex, shower, doctor's office, while getting dressed etc.) and don't shy away from it (it's time to let go of all that prudishness!), stop putting clothes on characters during showers or after sex (why would you put on pants after having sex? I'd think people would sleep in the nude after that - basking in the afterglow, talk some and then sleep  

 

[coldsteelblue]

The person with the "didn't like the orgasm sounds in the Witcher":

 

Stop being such a prude (sex includes orgasms and those are quite vocal for most people - you aren't silent during those, especially women can get rather loud, but even men make sounds!)

 

 

I've not said that men & women are silent during these encounters, they're not, but I feel a though, that the sound of a woman reaching climax was unnecessary, especially with the way the scenes are played out, honestly & thinking back on it, if the scenes played out 'fully' then I might not have had an issue with it at all aas it would explain the need for an orgasm sound.

 

But as I ended my post with, that was just my opinion, as this one is yours.

 

I've nothing more to add on this subject, but thanks for engaging the point and allowing me to expand on it more.

[BloodyMares]

What is going on? Multi-Quote seems to be broken!

 

Well, I'll write it again without the quotes:

 

It might be a good thing to finally push the boundaries (if done right any game that goes the final step would be an instant classic - just like say literature by the Marquise de Sade or something like "My Secret Sex Life"), so no:

 

It would not be "the right thing to do" to shy away from that and let the prudes (and the media, not to mention the people rating your game) tell you how far you can/should go!

 

The person with the "didn't like the orgasm sounds in the Witcher":

 

Stop being such a prude (sex includes orgasms and those are quite vocal for most people - you aren't silent during those, especially women can get rather loud, but even men make sounds!)

 

=> All in all: Go all the way, show "it" (genitalia) where it's natural that you might see it (sex, shower, doctor's office, while getting dressed etc.) and don't shy away from it (it's time to let go of all that prudishness!), stop putting clothes on characters during showers or after sex (why would you put on pants after having sex? I'd think people would sleep in the nude after that - basking in the afterglow, talk some and then sleep

I agree with everything except sex. There is no need to show genitalia during intercourse because it would cross into a porno territory and it serves no purpose unless they choose to show oral sex (this would be an exception). The camera has to be mostly above the waist anyway, capturing their faces.  Before the intercourse however I think a full frontal would be appropriate.

[Darth_Atreyu]

It's not that difficult to get nudity and sex scenes right, just do it the way the've always been done in Mass Effect. I think the approach should be to convey intimacy, and that can happen in many ways, for example in a conversation or an act. The idea that showing nudity somehow proves that a game is mature is a false notion in my opinion. Maturity comes from the issues being explored and in what manner, and not the amount of breast or genitalia that are rendered on the screen. I still think the Miranda and Liara sex and romance scenes are the best I've ever seen in a game. The Miranda one for example in Mass Effect 2 where two people who've fallen for each other want a moment of privacy in a bustling engine room. That's rather intimate and sexy, and happened just between those two characters. Or the Liara one in Mass Effect 3 where lighting and cinematography were able to convey intimacy just between Shepard and Liara and not make the characters sexuality and intimacy a spectacle existing solely for the player. I think the decision Bioware needs to make is wether the characters sexuality should exist for themselves or for the player. 

[Norhik Krios]

Call me old fashioned, but I'd like an old school softcore approach. Like in dragon Age and Witcher. No primary genitalia for me. I am talking about sex scenes of course, if there's an alien schween dangling around, that would be awesome and funny as hell though, lol.

I'd sit there going

[SofaJockey]

No primary genitalia for me. I am talking about sex scenes of course, if there's an alien schween dangling around, that would be awesome and funny as hell though, lol.

 

I'm sure the gaming audience would address it in an adult way...

 

[Hammerstorm]

I am in the "make it look natural" camp.

As long they can make the scenes look natural, (no showering with clothes, no underwear sex etc) I am happy.

[BloodyMares]

It's not that difficult to get nudity and sex scenes right, just do it the way the've always been done in Mass Effect. I think the approach should be to convey intimacy, and that can happen in many ways, for example in a conversation or an act. The idea that showing nudity somehow proves that a game is mature is a false notion in my opinion. Maturity comes from the issues being explored and in what manner, and not the amount of breast or genitalia that are rendered on the screen. I still think the Miranda and Liara sex and romance scenes are the best I've ever seen in a game. The Miranda one for example in Mass Effect 2 where two people who've fallen for each other want a moment of privacy in a bustling engine room. That's rather intimate and sexy, and happened just between those two characters. Or the Liara one in Mass Effect 3 where lighting and cinematography were able to convey intimacy just between Shepard and Liara and not make the characters sexuality and intimacy a spectacle existing solely for the player. I think the decision Bioware needs to make is wether the characters sexuality should exist for themselves or for the player.

Engine Room is seen from Deck 4 and Deck 2. There was nothing intimate in that scene, it was the opposite. "Let's do it here and I don't care if somebody sees us". I bet Jacob had a clear view of Miranda's assets. Nothing mature about this scene. Liara's scene on the other hand was done correctly, I agree.
Player is the protagonist. We are role-playing. We are not some 3rd character voyeur, I need to feel that the bond between me and the PC is unbreakable. When Shepard saw Tali's face in ME2 but player didn't, it was the huge middle finger to all Tali fans.

[Jedi Comedian]

Yes but no explicit images. Just no man's junk and it should be all good. Like the Witcher 2. Not too explicit but just right. In my opinion that is.

Yeah we see enough unnecessary dick shots in GOT already.

[Jedi Comedian]

Dante's Inferno last boss satan is naked with big hanging penis.

Hahahahah! Really? I never ****** noticed, most likely 'cause the fucker was trying to crush Dante LOL.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Was the title to differentiate this thread from the one about the player's naked non-human body? O.o

[Darth_Atreyu]

Engine Room is seen from Deck 4 and Deck 2. There was nothing intimate in that scene, it was the opposite. "Let's do it here and I don't care if somebody sees us". I bet Jacob had a clear view of Miranda's assets. Nothing mature about this scene. Liara's scene on the other hand was done correctly, I agree.
Player is the protagonist. We are role-playing. We are not some 3rd character voyeur, I need to feel that the bond between me and the PC is unbreakable. When Shepard saw Tali's face in ME2 but player didn't, it was the huge middle finger to all Tali fans.

I never made a value judgement on wether Mirandas Scene in ME2 was private or not, I said they wanted privacy. Silly me, here I was thinking Shepard and Ryder are the protagonist's. Roleplaying doesn't necessarily mean we are that character. To what degree you feel something is up to you. You not seeing Tali's face might be a clue as to you not being Shepard ,but rather a 3rd character tha's either a boon or a bane in the scenarios presented.

[Monk]

Well there was a thread on this awhile back probably connected to romance scenes but what do you guys think in the context of MEA? I'd enable a poll but as I see the options tend to be
 
A) Never no skin showing even in shower etc
B )Maybe skin but camera pans out from genitalia etc or
C) (Not really present in many games, if any, all skin showing, plus genitalia, etc)
 

Spoiler

I'm just going to go ahead and state I don't really have a problem with C except I only think it's the best and most appealing option for when it's more in "erotic art" category at the appropriate moments sort of thing, although my sense it would probably come off more in the "Pornographic category" than "Erotic art" but hey you never know maybe they can pull it off... ok probably not anyway this is my topic thread.
 
In fact, I think I've seen "erotic art" imagery with the naked body that doesn't feel 100% quite honest either, but I guess that's just me... but yeah the point is the vast majority of the time it's more pornographic.
 
But yes, in general the human body and form is heavily stigmatized, particularly unclothed ones, it would be good to reduce terror and fear of the penis or the breast, both of which have been accused of chaotically rip apart families and debasing the morality.

 

Let there be nekkid!

 

In all srsness, unless BW plans on venturing into the hentai business, anything beyond flesh and pixelated genitalia is going too far. Not that it's a problem for me but as pointed out, that's AO territory and IAH beyond necessary to tell a Mass Effect story.

[Undead Han]

The romance scenes should either be like the scenes in ME1, or like Liara's scene in ME3. Leave it at either tasteful or implied nudity.

[The Qun & the Damned]

Pubes? Not a full junk, tease of pubes should do the trick for either gender I assume.

[Undead Han]

Pubes? Not a full junk, tease of pubes should do the trick for either gender I assume.

Bioware can't even do hair on a person's head right, and you want them to attempt body hair?

[Jedi Comedian]

Bioware can't even do hair on a person's head right, and you want them to attempt body hair?

LOL!

[The Qun & the Damned]

Bioware can't even do hair on a person's head right, and you want them to attempt body hair?

You've clearly never seen the Iron Bull's pubes then.

[Xilizhra]

DAI-style nudity, I think, is probably the best option.

[The Hierophant]

Bioware can't even do hair on a person's head right, and you want them to attempt body hair?

[Kierro Ren]

Nudity is alright. Just no P or V.

 

[Pasquale1234]

I think I'd rather not see Ryder exposed.  Like much, at all.

 

I hated seeing her dropped into that sleeveless pleather dress (Kasumi's LM and the Casino Mission) because it wrecked my happy little fantasy that she had well-developed muscle on her arms and shoulders under that armor.

 

The female Ryder we saw in the trailer appears to have narrow shoulders and wide hips, much like the pear-shaped Shepard.

 

That, plus I still find nudity in video games to be a trip to uncanny valley.

[Thibax]

Bioware, I can be the model

[Sylvius the Mad]

No just no screw you Bethesda. it's not moders job to fix game, developers should make good game.

Such a thing isn't possible if we have mutually exclusive preferences.

Mods let the two of us both have the game we want, even if we want very different games.

A player who wants no nudity at all and a player who wants extensive gratuitous nudity can't both have what they want in the same game unless the devs put in toggles, and toggles exponentially increase QA costs.

Mods are the only way to serve a diverse market.

[Sylvius the Mad]

This is only true if the modders actually create what we prefer, or if we care to take the time to actually learn how to make mods ourselves.

Those are useful skills. I've also found it quite fun developing what limited modding skills I have.