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[azarhal]

600 years that leaves time for the ships to stop in solar systems between the two galaxies to find fuel, materials for repair and discharge itself on suitable planets while cruising at average none-Reaper FTL...

[AlanC9]

If it's indeed 600 years then it's pretty much confirmed they're going at standard 12 ly/day speed, no Reaper/Collector tech involved.
 

Well, some unknown tech, since the fuel and drive charge problems have apparently been solved.

[Kabooooom]

Well, some unknown tech, since the fuel and drive charge problems have apparently been solved.

They could just be using discharge stations like those located on every space station. I think that's what the four pointy arms of the ark probably are.

[Element Zero]

So the year is 2783-2786?

Even though it's not really relevant, I wonder how much society and technology would have developed in the Milky Way 600 years after the end of the Reaper War...

Depends which ending you chose.

Honestly, regardless of which ending we chose, based upon what we saw in ME2-3, we SHOULD arrive in Andromeda to find extensive human colonization. In 30 years, humans rose to the top of galactic society. In 600 years, we should leave the rest of those scrubs behind. I imagine something along the lines of...

"Welcome, guys. We've been expecting you. You probably have a lot of questions."

"Uh, yeah. What the hell are you doing here? How did you get here?"

"Well, that's easy. Looooong after your mission launched, the lesser races rose up against us. No offense, Krogan. Your kind were pretty tough in their day. It was a misunderstanding, really, but we had to put 'em down hard. They didn't take it well, but they got over it, eventually. Now, they do important work-- tending our fields; maintaining our ships; stripping in our clubs; while we bring civilization to universe."

"We came over here to Andromeda about 50 years ago. We used the new Werner Drive Cores. It was a pretty quick trip. We put down a few uppity species, and brought the light of civilization to the rest. We'll give you the tour, get you guys integrated, if you're looking to stay. Otherwise, there will be a convoy headed back home in a few days."

[Majestic Jazz]

My biggest question that I would label to be a huge spoiler to me if revealed is WHEN do thet leave? Is it before ME2 or before/during ME3?

Also whos idea was it and how was it able to be done in such secrecy?

[Fogg]

So the year is 2783-2786?

 

Even though it's not really relevant, I wonder how much society and technology would have developed in the Milky Way 600 years after the end of the Reaper War...

 

If you look what humanity did the past 50 years, all the galactic civilizations together would be able to do amazing things in 600. But in space opera time stands still. Look at Star Wars. KOTOR takes place 4000 years before A New Hope and everything is pretty much the same.

[Kierro Ren]

 

By George Taylor - Planet of The Apes

[Iakus]

Depends which ending you chose.

Honestly, regardless of which ending we chose, we SHOULD arrive in Andromeda to find extensive human colonization. In 30 years, humans rose to the top of galactic society. In 300 years, we should leave the rest of those scrubs behind. I imagine something along the lines of...

"Welcome, guys. We've been expecting you. You probably have a lot of questions."

"Uh, yeah. What the hell are you doing here? How did you get here?"

"Well, that's easy. Looooong after your mission launched, the lesser races rose up against us. No offense, Krogan. Your kind were pretty tough in their day. It was a misunderstanding, really, but we had to put 'em down hard. They didn't take it well, but they got over it, eventually. Now, they do important work-- tending our fields; maintaining our ships; stripping in our clubs; while we bring civilization to universe."

"We came over here to Andromeda about 50 years ago. We used the new Werner Drive Cores. It was a pretty quick trip. We put down a few uppity species, and brought the light of civilization to the rest. We'll give you the tour, get you guys integrated, if you're looking to stay. Otherwise, there will be a convoy headed back home in a few days."

Manswell Expedition 

[Xilizhra]

Depends which ending you chose.

Honestly, regardless of which ending we chose, we SHOULD arrive in Andromeda to find extensive human colonization. In 30 years, humans rose to the top of galactic society. In 300 years, we should leave the rest of those scrubs behind. I imagine something along the lines of...

"Welcome, guys. We've been expecting you. You probably have a lot of questions."

"Uh, yeah. What the hell are you doing here? How did you get here?"

"Well, that's easy. Looooong after your mission launched, the lesser races rose up against us. No offense, Krogan. Your kind were pretty tough in their day. It was a misunderstanding, really, but we had to put 'em down hard. They didn't take it well, but they got over it, eventually. Now, they do important work-- tending our fields; maintaining our ships; stripping in our clubs; while we bring civilization to universe."

"We came over here to Andromeda about 50 years ago. We used the new Werner Drive Cores. It was a pretty quick trip. We put down a few uppity species, and brought the light of civilization to the rest. We'll give you the tour, get you guys integrated, if you're looking to stay. Otherwise, there will be a convoy headed back home in a few days."

I don't think that Nazis necessarily fit well with the whole space Western thing.

[Element Zero]

I don't think that Nazis necessarily fit well with the whole space Western thing.

In the word of EDI, "That was joke".

Did you miss the heavy-handed human-superiority thread that was woven throughout ME2-3? Now, satirically extrapolate that across 600 years.

[Xilizhra]

In the word of EDI, "That was joke".

Did you miss the heavy-handed human-superiority thread that was woven throughout ME2-3? Now, satirically extrapolate that across 600 years.

I confess, it's hard to tell a lot of the time.

[AlanC9]

If you look what humanity did the past 50 years, all the galactic civilizations together would be able to do amazing things in 600. But in space opera time stands still. Look at Star Wars. KOTOR takes place 4000 years before A New Hope and everything is pretty much the same.

 

 

It's also true in the MEU. There seems to be some sort of technological plateau, or humans wouldn't have had any ability to compete with turians during the FCW.

[Element Zero]

Manswell Expedition 

I first read that sometime last week. I never kept up with the News Network features when they were current. There were some creative ideas therein, it seems. They could mine those for in-game sidequest and discovery inspiration.

[AlanC9]

They could just be using discharge stations like those located on every space station. I think that's what the four pointy arms of the ark probably are.

 

 

Maybe. Ramscoop for fuel? Easy enough to make it work with a local mass effect field; if the stuff's massless it doesn't matter how fast it's going when it hits you.. I don't know if there's enough hydrogen floating around between galaxies to make it work, though.

[Element Zero]

It's also true in the MEU. There seems to be some sort of technological plateau, or humans wouldn't have had any ability to compete with turians during the FCW.

This was sort of my point with the ridiculous human-supremacy post above. We seem to be the only species that advances, technologically. Everyone else just stands pat. It's a common, silly feature of scifi settings; a necessary evil, I guess.

[Iakus]

It's also true in the MEU. There seems to be some sort of technological plateau, or humans wouldn't have had any ability to compete with turians during the FCW.

Once the relay network and the Citadel is discovered, civilizations seem to stagnate, technologically.

 

I can't help but wonder if that was part of the Reaper trap.

[AlanC9]

This was sort of my point with the ridiculous human-supremacy post above. We seem to be the only species that advances, technologically. Everyone else sits just stands pat. It's a common, silly feature of scifi settings; a necessary evil, I guess.

I can see why, if you need to keep the setting relatable over a long period of time. Unless everybody's just discovering these techs at the same time, someone's going to be so far ahead that their society won't be playing by the same rules.

Star Trek actually handled this relatively well. We see real technological progress between the TOS and TNG eras (for instance, Picard almost always has real-time communication with Starfleet, while Kirk often did not), and there are a fair number of alien races who are way more advanced than the Federation and competing powers. (No power that's simultaneously expansionist and advanced, though, because reasons.) And really advanced species tend to advance beyond a level where contact is common; Organians, Q, the Traveller, and so forth. And also many, many species at lower technological levels than the Federation. ENT scored a few own-goals in this area, of course.

The Mass Effect setting seems to have had confused design goals. The timeline, and the relative populations, work better if humans are militarily insignificant.

[Element Zero]

Once the relay network and the Citadel is discovered, civilizations seem to stagnate, technologically.
 
I can't help but wonder if that was part of the Reaper trap.

Yeah, that makes some sense, at least, within the context of the setting. Most scifi settings lack this much.

[Sartoz]

Can we not have a spoiler in the title? Obviously it's too late for me, and obviously this is comically minor in terms of reveals, but I'd rather not have to start avoiding this forum out of a concern an actual spoiler will be in a thread title...

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What spoiler? Walters was presenting a hypothetical.

[AlanC9]

Once the relay network and the Citadel is discovered, civilizations seem to stagnate, technologically.
 
I can't help but wonder if that was part of the Reaper trap.

It's reasonable. I don't see a mechanism, though. Low-level indoctrination on the Citadel, causing new technologies to simply not be adopted? Humans are still making progress because their leadership isn't there yet? (OK, it wouldn't stand up to serious scrutiny, but it might work as a handwave.)

[Wulfram]

It's reasonable. I don't see a mechanism, though. Low-level indoctrination on the Citadel, causing new technologies to simply not be adopted? Humans are still making progress because their leadership isn't there yet? (OK, it wouldn't stand up to serious scrutiny, but it might work as a handwave.)

I think the logic is that people don't advance because they don't understand the technology they're using. And investing in developing your own technologies becomes inefficient when the ready made stuff is better than anything you'll be able to come up with for centuries.

I don't really buy this, and its difficult to reconcile with the apparent technological progress and cultures we do see in the games, but I think that's the intent.

[Iakus]

It's reasonable. I don't see a mechanism, though. Low-level indoctrination on the Citadel, causing new technologies to simply not be adopted? Humans are still making progress because their leadership isn't there yet? (OK, it wouldn't stand up to serious scrutiny, but it might work as a handwave.)

Could be they stop doing independent research and simply reverse-engineer everything.  Why bother to invent anything new when you can just skip ahead and copy the Protheans?

 

Humans might not have reached that point yet since they've only been out and about a few decades.  haven't really had time to get comfortable yet.

[dreamgazer]

Could be they stop doing independent research and simply reverse-engineer everything.

There has to be a reason why, though. Ambition and hubris don't just disappear as soon as you've discovered one answer.

[UpUpAway]

Exactly my thought process. I think an complications on the way there would be needless plot clutter.

The real story happens in Andromeda. We will fall asleep, wake up, and the real story will begin.

 

Maybe the first book covers some of those "on the way" issues.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If it's indeed 600 years then it's pretty much confirmed they're going at standard 12 ly/day speed, no Reaper/Collector tech involved.

 

Distance to Andromeda - 2.54 million light years

time to travel at 12 ly/day - 579.9 years

Well, not necessarily. The Reaper/Collector tech could still be being used, just instead of for speed it is solely for the drive discharge issue.